ATF strikes again - Forced reset triggers

[poppopfox]

Are you willing to give up your rights to make guns harder to get?

Are you willing to give up your, or other's, children's lives to keep that "right?"

 

[braindrain]

They do.

They don't.

Really. Then explain exactly how a product that last month they said was legal and this month they say is no longer legal.

 

[poppopfox]

Really. Then explain exactly how a product that last month they said was legal and this month they say is no longer legal.

Contact ATF

Btw, plenty of examples of that happening. Marijuana and opiates were once legal and then they weren't. Owning another human being (product) was once legal, now it isn't. But if you're looking for a specific explanation I suggest you contact the ATF, link above. I don't have the foundational skills and experience in regulatory law to answer your rhetorical question, do you?

 

[Gateman_Wen]

Trump's a scumbag, true. Biden isn't any prize. Much better choices for both parties out there.

Yes, but removing tRump from office was our patriotic duty.

 

[Gateman_Wen]

Hmm, runaway inflation, Russia attacking its neighbor. Afghanistan pullout blotched. Noth Korea and Iran again acting out and developing nukes, energy dependent again, hundreds of thousands of dead from Covid. president without all his faculties, VP even worse.

That's what responsible people vote for?

Removing despotic wannabe dictators who were destroying our country and perverting our government. That's what reasonable people vote for.

 

[Gateman_Wen]

What's good for one right must be good for all rights. License for voting. To get it, you must meet the same requirements you need to buy a handgun. License to watch TV or listen to the radio. That will go well. With your apparent knowledge of the Constitution, it is highly unlikely you would be able to obtain a license to post on social media.

Hyperbole is fun, but generally not useful.

 

[Gateman_Wen]

The last marching band massacre I recall, the killer did his aiming with a Ford SUV. Too bad he didn't have to pass a background check to have that deadly piece of kit, eh?

Yup, I was right. You've completely missed the point.

maybe read it again or something?

 

[noonereal]

Friendly PSA for any that may own these - ATF is at it again and is classifying some forced reset triggers as "machine guns". Letters were sent out today to FFL's notifying immediate ban on some of these triggers. I don't know how many of these have been sold but this is potentially creating a slew of felons by an agency that seems to do things "just because".


The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) recently examined devices commonly known as “forced reset triggers” (FRTs) and has determined that some of them are “firearms” and “machineguns” as defined in the National Firearms Act (NFA), and “machineguns” as defined in the Gun Control Act (GCA).

Based on ATF’s determination that the FRTs that function as described above are “machineguns” under the NFA and GCA, ATF intends to take appropriate remedial action with respect to sellers and possessors of these devices.
Current possessors of these devices are encouraged to contact ATF for further guidance on how they may divest possession. If you are uncertain whether the device you possess is a machinegun as defined by the GCA and NFA,
please contact your local ATF Field Office. You may consult the local ATF Office’s webpage for office contact information.

ATF Issues Letter to FFLs Classifying 'Some' Forced Reset Triggers as Machineguns - The Truth About Guns

Alphonso Hughes, the ATF’s Assistant Director for Enforcement Programs and Services, and George Lauder, ATF’s Assistant Director of Field Operations have issued an open letter to all federal firearms licensees regarding forced reset triggers, notifying them that “some of them” are now officially...

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

Arrest the felons you speak of and impose maximum sentences.
Its not much but its better than nothing thanks to the ATF.

 

[braindrain]

Contact ATF

Btw, plenty of examples of that happening. Marijuana and opiates were once legal and then they weren't. Owning another human being (product) was once legal, now it isn't. But if you're looking for a specific explanation I suggest you contact the ATF, link above. I don't have the foundational skills and experience in regulatory law to answer your rhetorical question, do you?

None of that is an answer to my question. But then you know that.

Yes there are other instances of the US government doing shady things. That doesn't make doing it again the right answer. And more importantly do you know the major difference between those things you listed and what the ATF did.

 

[noonereal]

What's good for one right must be good for all rights. License for voting. To get it, you must meet the same requirements you need to buy a handgun. License to watch TV or listen to the radio. That will go well. With your apparent knowledge of the Constitution, it is highly unlikely you would be able to obtain a license to post on social media.

Typical post from Trump followers.
It starts out, immediately, with a false equivalency.

 

[braindrain]

All Americans who care about their rights and freedoms should have a very very big problem with unelected bureaucrats having the ability to say one moment that something is legal and the next changing thier minds and saying it's illegal and a felony to own the thing yesterday they said was legal to own.

The fact that so many here can't put thier petty political partisan BS aside to see an issue with this makes me worry about the future of this country.

I could only imagine the outrage from some here if this concerned something they cared about. Like say if tomorrow some Washington state bureaucrat decided pot was illegal again.

 

[poppopfox]

None of that is an answer to my question. But then you know that.

"I don't have the foundational skills and experience in regulatory law to answer your rhetorical question" was my answer to your question. Perhaps you glanced over that?

Yes there are other instances of the US government doing shady things. That doesn't make doing it again the right answer. And more importantly do you know the major difference between those things you listed and what the ATF did.

Shady? The right answer? What's the right answer you were looking for?

Perhaps you can now do us the courtesy of answering my previous question, "Do you have the legal knowledge and background experience necessary to answer the rhetorical question(s) you posed about this regulatory matter? If so, I'm open to hearing your argument(s).

 

[TurtleDude]

Are you willing to give up your, or other's, children's lives to keep that "right?"

are people like you willing to die to confiscate other peoples firearms? Or do you merely want to hide behind government agents who will have to put their lives on the line?. we are not giving up anyones lives but merely owning something. You seem to want the government to kill lots of people to create your desired gun free society.

 

[TurtleDude]

All Americans who care about their rights and freedoms should have a very very big problem with unelected bureaucrats having the ability to say one moment that something is legal and the next changing thier minds and saying it's illegal and a felony to own the thing yesterday they said was legal to own.

The fact that so many here can't put thier petty political partisan BS aside to see an issue with this makes me worry about the future of this country.

I could only imagine the outrage from some here if this concerned something they cared about. Like say if tomorrow some Washington state bureaucrat decided pot was illegal again.

after 45+ years of dealing with gun banners, I have found that they don't care about civil rights, substantive due process, procedural due process or other legal rights when it comes to their hatred of gun ownership

 

[Linuxcooldude]

Are you willing to give up your, or other's, children's lives to keep that "right?"

It's beening disingenuous when a poster dictates the terms of the debate. The choice is not one or the other. He has the choice of both, keeping his right to a firearm and using that firearm to protect the lives of his children.

 

[Rucker61]

Are you willing to give up your, or other's, children's lives to keep that "right?"

Would me giving up that right save children's lives?

The government found that saving children's lives wasn't their responsibility.

 

[Rucker61]

Are you willing to give up your, or other's, children's lives to keep that "right?"

Doing away with the 1st Amendment could save children's lives.

Doing away with the 4th Amendment could save children's lives.

Doing away with the 5th Amendment could save children's lives.

Doing away with the 6th Amendment could save children's lives.

Doing away with the 8th Amendment could save children's lives.

Should we do this?

 

[braindrain]

"I don't have the foundational skills and experience in regulatory law to answer your rhetorical question" was my answer to your question. Perhaps you glanced over that?

Shady? The right answer? What's the right answer you were looking for?

Perhaps you can now do us the courtesy of answering my previous question, "Do you have the legal knowledge and background experience necessary to answer the rhetorical question(s) you posed about this regulatory matter? If so, I'm open to hearing your argument(s).

But yet you had no problems determining that the ATF was using the actual definitions which are in the NFA,as well as not redefining things on a whim. Funny how that was no problem for you until your BS was called out

I know that when one day the ATF says something is legal to own and the next day despite no laws being changed decide that part is illegal they are absolutely just doing it on a whim.

That should concern all Americans.

 

[SMTA]

Friendly PSA for any that may own these - ATF is at it again and is classifying some forced reset triggers as "machine guns". Letters were sent out today to FFL's notifying immediate ban on some of these triggers. I don't know how many of these have been sold but this is potentially creating a slew of felons by an agency that seems to do things "just because".


The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) recently examined devices commonly known as “forced reset triggers” (FRTs) and has determined that some of them are “firearms” and “machineguns” as defined in the National Firearms Act (NFA), and “machineguns” as defined in the Gun Control Act (GCA).

Based on ATF’s determination that the FRTs that function as described above are “machineguns” under the NFA and GCA, ATF intends to take appropriate remedial action with respect to sellers and possessors of these devices.
Current possessors of these devices are encouraged to contact ATF for further guidance on how they may divest possession. If you are uncertain whether the device you possess is a machinegun as defined by the GCA and NFA,
please contact your local ATF Field Office. You may consult the local ATF Office’s webpage for office contact information.

ATF Issues Letter to FFLs Classifying 'Some' Forced Reset Triggers as Machineguns - The Truth About Guns

Alphonso Hughes, the ATF’s Assistant Director for Enforcement Programs and Services, and George Lauder, ATF’s Assistant Director of Field Operations have issued an open letter to all federal firearms licensees regarding forced reset triggers, notifying them that “some of them” are now officially...

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

AR15 only, and pricey @ $380 plus buying a full auto bolt carrier. Ouch! Also out of stock.

 

[SMTA]

are people like you willing to die to confiscate other peoples firearms? Or do you merely want to hide behind government agents who will have to put their lives on the line?. we are not giving up anyones lives but merely owning something. You seem to want the government to kill lots of people to create your desired gun free society.

Jesus, stop threatening to kill people who come for your guns

 

[SMTA]

Would me giving up that right save children's lives?

The government found that saving children's lives wasn't their responsibility.

That’s a horseshit argument
Wishful thinking that dead children would make your case is quite pathetic

 

[poppopfox]

are people like you willing to die to confiscate other peoples firearms? Or do you merely want to hide behind government agents who will have to put their lives on the line?.

Seriously? "People like me... " argument again? You're a hoot when at a loss for words!
Btw, my life was put "out on the line" in service to this country and outside of this country. You ever put yours out there, or have you been hiding from life all these years inside of a shell (pun intended)?

Here's a rhetorical for you to answer now, "are you willing to kill government agents, many of whom are veterans, to keep your guns?"

we are not giving up anyones lives but merely owning something.

Merely owning something concealable, stealable, lethal and all too often untraceable.

You seem to want the government to kill lots of people to create your desired gun free society.

Wish you could reply to my posts without throwing your derogatory projections and remarks about.
If I can quote my friend RF,

RF667799 said: Turning to insult laden emotionalism doesn't say much for how well you think your arguments are holding up.

 

[BahamaBob]

Removing despotic wannabe dictators who were destroying our country and perverting our government. That's what reasonable people vote for.Ye

Yeah, the peace, prosperity and strong leadership were terrible for the tards.

 

[BahamaBob]

Typical post from Trump followers.
It starts out, immediately, with a false equivalency.

Gee, from a guy who doesn't understand that rights are rights. Tards don't get to pick which rights apply, that puts their panties in a wad.

 

[poppopfox]

It's beening disingenuous when a poster dictates the terms of the debate.

How so? It was a response to Rucker's rhetorical question, "Are you willing to give up your rights to make guns harder to get?"

The choice is not one or the other. He has the choice of both, keeping his right to a firearm and using that firearm to protect the lives of his children.

He also has the choice to give up his dependence on firearms in order to protect the lives of other's children as well as his own. Children don't accidently or intentionally injure/kill themselves when guns are not kept in the home or are safely locked away. Are you against CAP laws?

Btw, how many times in 2021 has a parent used a firearm to "defend the lives" of their children?
Then compare to this number. In 2021 there were at least 377 unintentional shootings by children. This resulted in 154 deaths and 242 injuries in the United States.