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As of now I am now unable to vote McCain

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Yup looks like he pushed me away last night...


1st it was the rumors of gore as the head of the epa...


Now its the massive 300 billion nationalization of mortgages....


I can not get on board with that.


So as of right now, he lost me....




Conservatives. what do you think of this asinine socialist plan of McCain's?
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I understand where you are coming from, but I am going to stick with McCain. True, I cannot stand him, but that pales in comparison to what I feel for the Democratic party, and their game playing in Congress, while debating the economic meltdown of America. Rovian tactics have no place in America, whether it comes from Republicans or Democrats. Since the Democrats are going to have all the power now to abuse the American system of government, I have chosen to vote against them, just as I voted against the Republicans when THEY were the ones abusing power.

Yes, I may be tilting at windmills here, but I know that I am right, and it is now the Republican party that is going to have to speak truth to power, as the Democrats have done, before they obtained the very power they accused Republicans of abusing.

When it comes right down to it, the American people are going to be the big losers this year. If the American people cannot support REAL candidates, then we deserve every bit of the screwing we are about to get from whoever becomes president.
 
danarhea said:
I understand where you are coming from, but I am going to stick with McCain. True, I cannot stand him, but that pales in comparison to what I feel for the Democratic party, and their game playing in Congress, while debating the economic meltdown of America. Rovian tactics have no place in America, whether it comes from Republicans or Democrats. Since the Democrats are going to have all the power now to abuse the American system of government, I have chosen to vote against them, just as I voted against the Republicans when THEY were the ones abusing power.

Yes, I may be tilting at windmills here, but I know that I am right, and it is now the Republican party that is going to have to speak truth to power, as the Democrats have done, before they obtained the very power they accused Republicans of abusing.

When it comes right down to it, the American people are going to be the big losers this year. If the American people cannot support REAL candidates, then we deserve every bit of the screwing we are about to get from whoever becomes president.
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I agree, but I can not vote for a socialist. period. That is over the line for me.



I think it is allways darkest before the dawn, and hopefully obama will jimmy carter us into a another reagan.
 
I'm staying with McCain because 4 years of him should lead to Palin.

Going 3rd party or abstaining = Obama and Obama = 4 years not of McCains socialism populist lite but 4 years of pure, "The Great Leader" socialism. McCain's socialist tendancies would be easier to correct then Obama's full on.

That's the issue.
 
MrVicchio said:
I'm staying with McCain because 4 years of him should lead to Palin.

Going 3rd party or abstaining = Obama and Obama = 4 years not of McCains socialism populist lite but 4 years of pure, "The Great Leader" socialism. McCain's socialist tendancies would be easier to correct then Obama's full on.

That's the issue.
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I initially thought this, however, how do we know McCain wont run for 4 more? And to throw 300 billion at people who got in over there heads and own property... Socialism is never something I could vote for,
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I agree, but I can not vote for a socialist. period. That is over the line for me.



I think it is allways darkest before the dawn, and hopefully obama will jimmy carter us into a another reagan.
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Don't sell Conservative values short. Jimmy Carter did not give us Reagan. Barry Goldwater did. ;)
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I guess if you are for a big government nanny state it wouldn't to you. Sometime a little is all that needs to be said and done.
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Big government nanny state is what the republican party is all about right now. The past eight years have seen an explosion of new bureaucracy and Big Brother type initiatives. It makes me sad to say it, but my aversion to big government and restriction of personal liberty is one of the big reasons my check goes in the Obama box this year
 
Kernel Sanders said:
Big government nanny state is what the republican party is all about right now. The past eight years have seen an explosion of new bureaucracy and Big Brother type initiatives. It makes me sad to say it, but my aversion to big government and restriction of personal liberty is one of the big reasons my check goes in the Obama box this year
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WHA!?!?!?!?!?


I agree with you regarding the republicans. but that is sorta like fixing a cut in your arm with a shotgun......


Obama is gonna spend more than McCain, not much more, but more.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
WHA!?!?!?!?!?


I agree with you regarding the republicans. but that is sorta like fixing a cut in your arm with a shotgun......


Obama is gonna spend more than McCain, not much more, but more.
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I realize that, and the reason is that all big government is not the same, and all big spending is not the same. If we're going to have bloat (and we're going to have bloat) I'd rather it concentrate on social programs than national security and treating all American citizens as terrorists unless proven innocent
 
Kernel Sanders said:
Big government nanny state is what the republican party is all about right now. The past eight years have seen an explosion of new bureaucracy and Big Brother type initiatives. It makes me sad to say it, but my aversion to big government and restriction of personal liberty is one of the big reasons my check goes in the Obama box this year
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Here is what I don't understand about what you posted. You hate big brother, but are going to vote to replace one big brother with another big brother? It just does not make sense to me.
 
Kernel Sanders said:
I realize that, and the reason is that all big government is not the same, and all big spending is not the same. If we're going to have bloat (and we're going to have bloat) I'd rather it concentrate on social programs than national security and treating all American citizens as terrorists unless proven innocent
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In this case it is almost identical. They both argue the same point... Just this time Obama didn't say "I agree" as much....


Obama voted FISA. ;)
 
danarhea said:
Here is what I don't understand about what you posted. You hate big brother, but are going to vote to replace one big brother with another big brother? It just does not make sense to me.
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Well I could write in Ron Paul if I really wanted to, but realistically this is a choice between Obama and McCain. For me, that isn't a choice at all.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
You are right, it isn't a choice. they are almost identical now.
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Economically they are. There aren't debates about whether the bailout should pass because they both favor it. There aren't debates about whether taxes should be cut or not, only by how much and for who. The two have almost the same economic policies, and that is the area where I disagree with Obama the most.

To say they are almost identical now ignores the many, many areas in which they are diametrically opposed, and many of those areas are very important right now. For example, the differences in opinion on the Iraq war and the proper use of the American military is enough to put me in the Obama corner
 
Kernel Sanders said:
Economically they are. There aren't debates about whether the bailout should pass because they both favor it. There aren't debates about whether taxes should be cut or not, only by how much and for who. The two have almost the same economic policies, and that is the area where I disagree with Obama the most.

To say they are almost identical now ignores the many, many areas in which they are diametrically opposed, and many of those areas are very important right now. For example, the differences in opinion on the Iraq war and the proper use of the American military is enough to put me in the Obama corner
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They both said they would use our troops to invade countries engaged in genocide.

Obama went from "I will have them out in 16 months" to "I will start drawing them down in 16 months".....


The war is drawing itself to a close. My guess is that both of them will withdraw at the same time.


And there is no reason for us to go into Dafur, let the un and the african union take care of that....
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
They both said they would use our troops to invade countries engaged in genocide.
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Sounded like pure doublespeak to me. There's probably a half a dozen nations locked in genocide right now, I would be extremely surprised if either candidate used military force in any of those conflicts by 2012

Obama went from "I will have them out in 16 months" to "I will start drawing them down in 16 months".....
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Not to mention that he's been saying "16 months" for the last 5 months...
Still better than McCain though

The war is drawing itself to a close. My guess is that both of them will withdraw at the same time.
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Yeah, and I wish that just one of them would get off their hard lines and accept the reality of the situation. Obama needs to admit that the surge has allowed us a window to exit, and McCain needs to tell the American people that he will take that window.

It's a bit perverse. Obama flirts with denying the strides we've made in Iraq, but still wants to leave. McCain puts the progress we've made front and center, but doesn't indicate that he wants to take advantage of said progress.

And there is no reason for us to go into Dafur, let the un and the african union take care of that....
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Agreed. Economically, socially, and militarily taking on another front would be a mistake. We don't have the money to pay for another war, don't have the will to save Darfur while aspects of America go into free-fall, and are too over-extended from Afghanistan and Iraq to do the job we would need to do. That isn't even mentioning the fact that we need power in reserve to deal with Iran or North Korea in an emergency, and need power left over to continue to engage in the blustering and posturing with Russia.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
See Kernal, very little difference. ;)
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Yup, we're all about crappy choices this cycle. However, I feel it my civic duty to keep this out of the Oval Office

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danarhea said:
Here is what I don't understand about what you posted. You hate big brother, but are going to vote to replace one big brother with another big brother? It just does not make sense to me.
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Let's not turn this into another racial topic.
 
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