Army Times: 89% of Soldiers Do Not Want Parade

[Port & Starboard]

Somehow I just knew that we weren't going to be able to go for even one page without a conservative impugning the patriotism or discipline of liberals.
The authoritarian makeup of the military is ideal because it makes the military what it is.
Your problem seems to stem from the inability to recognize that the reason WHY the military's authoritarian characteristics are so desirable is because they eliminate the need to inject that authoritarianism into the civilian life of a free people in an advanced Western democracy.

We seek out those desirable authoritarian characteristics in the military precisely because it gives a free people the opportunity to relax that authoritarianism when we breathe the free air and enjoy those liberties provided for by the exercise of such authoritarianism in the military.

In other words, the happiest and healthiest people who serve are the ones who are able to recognize the difference between war and the world back home that they are fighting for. That's not me talking, that's the mental health specialists who counsel stressed out soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines who are having difficulty readjusting.

If you're having difficulty readjusting, seek out some counseling instead of demonizing the grateful people you served.
We don't hate the military, we're thankful for it, but as civilians, we're also thankful for the ability to see the difference between the world at home and the world of war. If you can't see the difference, then we may just lose sight of exactly what it is we are fighting for in the first place.

You don't know anything about military leadership, do you?

The 11 Principles of Armed Forces Leadership


Know yourself and seek self-improvement.
Be technically and tactically proficient.
Develop a sense of responsibility among your subordinates.
Make sound and timely decisions.
Set an example.
Know your people and look out for their welfare.
Keep your people informed.
Seek responsibility and take responsibility for your actions.
Ensure assigned tasks are understood, supervised, and accomplished.
Train your people as a team.
Employ your team in accordance with its capabilities.
For an expanded discussion of this list, check out the Combat Leaders website post, 11 Timeless Principles of Military Leadership.”


Here's a quick lesson guide for you.

https://www.themilitaryleader.com/principles-military-leadership-day-3/

 

[Linc]

You don't know anything about military leadership, do you?

The 11 Principles of Armed Forces Leadership


Know yourself and seek self-improvement.
Be technically and tactically proficient.
Develop a sense of responsibility among your subordinates.
Make sound and timely decisions.
Set an example.
Know your people and look out for their welfare.
Keep your people informed.
Seek responsibility and take responsibility for your actions.
Ensure assigned tasks are understood, supervised, and accomplished.
Train your people as a team.
Employ your team in accordance with its capabilities.
For an expanded discussion of this list, check out the Combat Leaders website post, 11 Timeless Principles of Military Leadership.”

None of the American Legion or VFW guys I know want a parade for a cowardly traitor.

 

[Port & Starboard]

None of the American Legion or VFW guys I know want a parade for a cowardly traitor.

I don't give a crap if they parade or not.

If you polled the military about a parade under any president I'll bet 90% the enlisted people would say...……..**** no!

 

[Linc]

I don't give a crap if they parade or not.

If you polled the military about a parade under any president I'll bet 90% the enlisted people would say...……..**** no!

I can’t for the life of me figure out why Republicans don’t want a president pence. I know why my squishy libs and progs don’t. Hell-sinki was the last straw for Veterans and the Armed Forces.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

You don't know anything about military leadership, do you?

The 11 Principles of Armed Forces Leadership


Know yourself and seek self-improvement.
Be technically and tactically proficient.
Develop a sense of responsibility among your subordinates.
Make sound and timely decisions.
Set an example.
Know your people and look out for their welfare.
Keep your people informed.
Seek responsibility and take responsibility for your actions.
Ensure assigned tasks are understood, supervised, and accomplished.
Train your people as a team.
Employ your team in accordance with its capabilities.
For an expanded discussion of this list, check out the Combat Leaders website post, 11 Timeless Principles of Military Leadership.”


Here's a quick lesson guide for you.

https://www.themilitaryleader.com/principles-military-leadership-day-3/

My post was a response to a malcontent who couldn't resist the opportunity to question the patriotism of people who are liberals.
So let's see if that's covered in anything you just posted.

Ummmm...NOPE, it's not.
So here's a quick lesson guide for you, butt out if you don't know what someone's talking about.

 

[Port & Starboard]

My post was a response to a malcontent who couldn't resist the opportunity to question the patriotism of people who are liberals.
So let's see if that's covered in anything you just posted.

Ummmm...NOPE, it's not.
So here's a quick lesson guide for you, butt out if you don't know what someone's talking about.

You don't know squat about what it takes to be a good military leader and your post exposed your total ignorance on the matter.

And now you are doubling down on stupid?

 

[Mycroft]

Okay very well said.
Now, do the aftermath in the middle of the Nation's Capital, which by the way, already is a defense logistical nightmare even on the best of days.
Ask anyone in the MDW Joint Force Headquarters National Capital Region, and be sure to get the opinion of someone at the U.S. Army Transportation Agency.

I do appreciate your take on this vis a vis your son, and his admiration for the pride felt by all who have served, and their families.
I do get it, but I urge all in favor of this idea to consider the fact that the ancient streets of the District of Columbia are probably the absolute worst location imaginable for such an event, and if one parade is done, more will follow, but funding probably will not, and that means unresolved damage to our Capital, which can ill afford such stress.

We did not build the District of Columbia the way Lenin built Red Square. There are countless places in this great country which are indeed designed for parades of this nature. DC just isn't one of them.

By holding this event smack dab in the middle of DC, we are literally bending over and asking for a security nightmare, because unlike a real military exercise, a parade means all those resources are sitting ducks, and they might actually get in the way of real resources which might be called up in a matter of minutes should the unimaginable happen.

PS: The nearest Army post that even has tanks is probably Fort Stewart. That's in Georgia, about 610 miles away.
A typical tank gets about a mile per gallon, and has a range of between 75 and 200 miles tops.
So that means we're railheading a bunch of tanks to the middle of DC.
Yeah, another headache of unimaginable proportions.

Don't worry. It's already been announced there won't be tanks.

 

[Rogue Valley]

Military parades actually do less for the commander in chief and more for the general population, it gives them a sense of security seeing what they military has, it is more to make their people feel safe against invaders than it is to show off to the world or inflate any ego, which is largely why america has not much bothered with them, no country holds any power to invade the us except russia, and even russia has no plans to do so.

Russia has no ability to invade the mainland US and hold anything. Their military logistics are woefully inadequate. They can barely resupply their limited forces in Syria.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

You don't know squat about what it takes to be a good military leader and your post exposed your total ignorance on the matter.

And now you are doubling down on stupid?

My post wasn't about military leadership and neither was gdgyva's.
Show me where in my post I talked about military leadership.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Don't worry. It's already been announced there won't be tanks.

That's a relief.
Well, my heart goes out to all those folks who will be marching.
Of course we're proud of them.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Russia has no ability to invade the mainland US and hold anything. Their military logistics are woefully inadequate. They can barely resupply their limited forces in Syria.

They also could not begin to afford the COSTS of a protracted military invasion of the United States either.

 

[Port & Starboard]

My post wasn't about military leadership and neither was gdgyva's.
Show me where in my post I talked about military leadership.

Now you are tripling down?

Your words:

We seek out those desirable authoritarian characteristics in the military precisely because it gives a free people the opportunity to relax that authoritarianism when we breathe the free air and enjoy those liberties provided for by the exercise of such authoritarianism in the military.

:lamo

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Now you are tripling down?

Your words:

We seek out those desirable authoritarian characteristics in the military precisely because it gives a free people the opportunity to relax that authoritarianism when we breathe the free air and enjoy those liberties provided for by the exercise of such authoritarianism in the military.

:lamo

We the civilians.
The thrust of that post, which you clearly still don't understand, is that gdgyva couldn't resist the temptation to disparage liberals because, according to him, "the military is another of those authoritarian places a lot of you liberals hate".

Liberals have absolutely no difficulty in working in an authoritarian environment if they choose to serve their country, none whatsoever.
We the civilians seek out (and appreciate) those qualities because they are the ideal qualities that make the military what it is.
It does however boil down to appropriateness for time and place. There is a time and place for authoritarianism.
But not in a democratic republic that embraces the values set forth in the Constitution, not in civilian life.

The military is an authoritarian place where new recruits are reminded that they are not in a democracy and that they do not have the kinds of rights and privileges a civilian enjoys.
There are plenty of countries which impose severe authoritarianism upon their civilians, and we oftentimes declare the leaders of such countries tyrants and there are times where we fight wars with them.
If you're suggesting that such a brand of authoritarianism is an appropriate environment for American civilians to live under, I suggest you've lost your way.
You can take your "can't pack the gear" speech and shove it, mister.

 

[Port & Starboard]

We the civilians.
The thrust of that post, which you clearly still don't understand, is that gdgyva couldn't resist the temptation to disparage liberals because, according to him, "the military is another of those authoritarian places a lot of you liberals hate".

Liberals have absolutely no difficulty in working in an authoritarian environment if they choose to serve their country, none whatsoever.
We the civilians seek out (and appreciate) those qualities because they are the ideal qualities that make the military what it is.
It does however boil down to appropriateness for time and place. There is a time and place for authoritarianism.
But not in a democratic republic that embraces the values set forth in the Constitution, not in civilian life.

The military is an authoritarian place where new recruits are reminded that they are not in a democracy and that they do not have the kinds of rights and privileges a civilian enjoys.
There are plenty of countries which impose severe authoritarianism upon their civilians, and we oftentimes declare the leaders of such countries tyrants and there are times where we fight wars with them.
If you're suggesting that such a brand of authoritarianism is an appropriate environment for American civilians to live under, I suggest you've lost your way.
You can take your "can't pack the gear" speech and shove it, mister.

Regardless of your above rant...……. The military is the last place to bring a authoritarian leadership style.

In case you missed it.....................boot camp is not the deck plates.

You keep flailing away with more and more nonsense. :lamo

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Regardless of your above rant...……. The military is the last place to bring a authoritarian leadership style.

In case you missed it.....................boot camp is not the deck plates.

You keep flailing away with more and more nonsense. :lamo

You can keep prattling away about your views on what it takes to pack the gear as a military leader for the rest of the day if you like but it has absolutely no bearing on what I said to gdgyva.

It simply is not germaine to those two posts.
I realize that the both of you simply cannot tolerate a world with liberals in it, and you're both bound and determined to try to create an America which is not only authoritarian and one party, but perhaps even an America that takes a complete departure from the very things that our military has been called upon to defend.

A little introspection every now and then is a healthy thing, and today's Republican Party is a very sick entity that has now begun to embrace the feral authoritarian kleptocracy of the Russian Federation as an ideal worth fighting for.

If that's not a wholesale condemnation by the Right of republican constitutional principles and the precious jewel of democracy, I don't know what is.
How does one claim to be a patriot while simultaneously standing in support of a vicious mob dictatorship operated by a hostile foreign power?
Your true leader is calling to you, go to him now.



I'd just as soon forget America ever knew your kind.
Even your own former leaders, who you cast out as traitors, want nothing to do with you, and are urging conservatives to vote Democratic on November 6th.

 

[gulfman]

Lets give the 11% of soldiers that do want a parade one for the ages

 

[beerftw]

Russia has no ability to invade the mainland US and hold anything. Their military logistics are woefully inadequate. They can barely resupply their limited forces in Syria.

To invade yes, to hold anything you are correct, they could take alaska and push through canada and likely never hit the mainland us, even if they did a full balls to the wall campaign, they might get to a few border states with low populations before it got snatched back from them, their logistics would be stretched thin by that point and the terrain in the us makes invasions extremely difficult.

The point was though the us has no real threats of invasion, canada is too canadian to mean you any harm, mexico has no real military power, european naval power has shrunk since the end of colonialism, and europe can not march across land either to get here, and the chinese navy is a joke as well, in a few decades they might make the list but as of now they do not.

So russia invading through alaska would be the only real threat that is viable, and the odds of them doing such are about zero, as they know it would not end well. Parades make the population feel safe when they have hostile neighbors, america has no such neighbors, whereas ukraine will try and show their might to make people feel safe incase of a russian invasion, and russia may do it for it's people to feel safe from nato, iran for saudi arabia, you can name many other countries, their people live in fear daily of war or invasion, in most of those countries those parades are for the people and not the govt.

 

[Rexedgar]

They also could not begin to afford the COSTS of a protracted military invasion of the United States either.

IDK, Putin would have to raid his ‘piggy bank!”

 

[Bodi]

https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/02/08/89-of-readers-say-no-parade/



89% of Soldiers think a military parade is a waste of time and money. The other 11% are divorced senior NCO/Officers who hate their troops.

Looks like 89% of soldiers are traitors... this should really be looked into by a Senate Investigation.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Looks like 89% of soldiers are traitors... this should really be looked into by a Senate Investigation.

I really hope you're being sarcastic.

 

[Moon]

I don't give a crap if they parade or not.

If you polled the military about a parade under any president I'll bet 90% the enlisted people would say...……..**** no!

Yeah, I'm trying to remember how often my opinion was asked when it came to doing something unpleasant in the military. Ciming up blank. Maybe things have changed and they make decisions based on opinion polls now.

 

[Casper]

I wonder how many would even watch. Strange days indeed.

 

[MrWonka]

89% of Soldiers think a military parade is a waste of time and money.

Who wants to join me for a flash mob?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Man

 

[Rogue Valley]

To invade yes, to hold anything you are correct, they could take alaska and push through canada and likely never hit the mainland us, even if they did a full balls to the wall campaign, they might get to a few border states with low populations before it got snatched back from them, their logistics would be stretched thin by that point and the terrain in the us makes invasions extremely difficult.

The point was though the us has no real threats of invasion, canada is too canadian to mean you any harm, mexico has no real military power, european naval power has shrunk since the end of colonialism, and europe can not march across land either to get here, and the chinese navy is a joke as well, in a few decades they might make the list but as of now they do not.

So russia invading through alaska would be the only real threat that is viable, and the odds of them doing such are about zero, as they know it would not end well. Parades make the population feel safe when they have hostile neighbors, america has no such neighbors, whereas ukraine will try and show their might to make people feel safe incase of a russian invasion, and russia may do it for it's people to feel safe from nato, iran for saudi arabia, you can name many other countries, their people live in fear daily of war or invasion, in most of those countries those parades are for the people and not the govt.

Russia would be stopped (conventionally) in Alaska. They wouldn't come marching down the west coast of Canada.

Russia can cause havoc in Eastern/Central Europe and the Baltics because of a short air/land/sea logistics footprint. Anything beyond that and Russia is stretched with vulnerable logistics lines.

 

[roguenuke]

Military parades actually do less for the commander in chief and more for the general population, it gives them a sense of security seeing what they military has, it is more to make their people feel safe against invaders than it is to show off to the world or inflate any ego, which is largely why america has not much bothered with them, no country holds any power to invade the us except russia, and even russia has no plans to do so.

The majority of people do not want this parade. There are only certain times when this statement is actually true, normally when a country has just won some sort of victory, together. We are definitely not currently united, especially when it comes to opinions about this parade. There is no reason to believe that this would make the American people fell "safer". We have technology to let us know what our troops actually can do.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/374693-poll-majority-disapproves-of-trumps-military-parade-plan

There is no way that this number of people who support it could possibly be worth the expense to make that small percentage of people feel "more secure" (nor is it even likely that this would actually make any significant difference in their feelings of security).

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2018/02/08/89-of-readers-say-no-parade/

89% of the military doesn't want this parade.

Most military officers do not want the parade.

MOAA - Survey: Most MOAA Members Think Military Parade is a ?Costly Distraction?