Arizona to execute prisoners with same gas used by Nazis

[Allan]

I won't even have to say it in this thread. The headline says it for me.

Arizona plans to execute prisoners with the same deadly gas used by the Nazis at Auschwitz, documents show

The Guardian obtained documents showing Arizona's purchases of ingredients for hydrogen cyanide and the refurbishment of a gas chamber.

www.insider.com

FYI: The trade name for hydrogen cyanide is Zyklon B.

This is unbelievably tone deaf. Must have been the waterboarding guys that came up with this idea.

 

[PirateMk1]

Not a reliably quick and painless death.

And?

 

[holbritter]

So, you believe a barbaric government response is justified do to these things.

In that case, yup, absolutely.

 

[Grand Mal]

What's the difference? Anything short of drawing and quartering should be acceptable.
Capital punishment is just a Muslim thing nowadays anyway. Muslim and Asian. If you've decided to allow the state to execute people why does it matter how they do it? You've already abandoned any right to judge how anyone else kills people judicially so why does it matter what method you use?

 

[jamesrage]

I won't even have to say it in this thread. The headline says it for me.

Arizona plans to execute prisoners with the same deadly gas used by the Nazis at Auschwitz, documents show

The Guardian obtained documents showing Arizona's purchases of ingredients for hydrogen cyanide and the refurbishment of a gas chamber.

www.insider.com

FYI: The trade name for hydrogen cyanide is Zyklon B.

So murdering scum on death row are now equivalent to Jews who were murdered by the Nazis?

 

[Allan]

So murdering scum on death row are now equivalent to Jews who were murdered by the Nazis?

No, the point is that government officials carrying out executions shouldn't be equivalent to Nazis.

 

[jamesrage]

No, the point is that government officials carrying out executions shouldn't be equivalent to Nazis.

The nazis murdered innocent people because of their religion, ethnicity and or medical condition/disability. The people on death row are not innocent. Its really ****ed up and despicable trying to compare innocent people murdered by nazis to those convicted heinous crimes getting punished.

 

[Allan]

The nazis murdered innocent people because of their religion, ethnicity and or medical condition/disability. The people on death row are not innocent. Its really ****ed up trying to compare innocent people to those convicted heinous crimes.

It's not about the people on death row. It's about the state, and what measures a civilized country uses to dispense justice. When the method of dispensing that justice is exactly the form used by Nazi Germany something is wrong.

 

[Grand Mal]

So murdering scum on death row are now equivalent to Jews who were murdered by the Nazis?

No, any government that kills citizens is only separate from Nazis by degree.

 

[jamesrage]

It's not about the people on death row. It's about the state, and what measures a civilized country uses to dispense justice. When the method of dispensing that justice is exactly the form used by Nazi Germany something is wrong.

The Nazis murdering innocent people is what was wrong. The state executing people guilty of heinous crimes is not wrong except in the minds of scumbag sympathizers.

 

[Grand Mal]

It's not about the people on death row. It's about the state, and what measures a civilized country uses to dispense justice. When the method of dispensing that justice is exactly the form used by Nazi Germany something is wrong.

The method doesn't matter. Once you've decided to give the state the right to execute citizens all you have left is asking to not be bothered by the details.

 

[jamesrage]

No, any government that kills citizens is only separate from Nazis by degree.

The state executing those guilty of heinous crimes is not anywhere near the same ball park as what the nazis did. Its a insult to the all the victims of the nazis to even make such a idiotic comparison.

 

[Allan]

The state executing those guilty of henious crimes is not anywhere near the same ball park as what the nazis did. Its a insult to the all the victims of the nazis to even make such a idiotic comparison.

The only comparison being made is the method of execution, which is exactly the same.

 

[Grand Mal]

The state executing those guilty of heinous crimes is not anywhere near the same ball park as what the nazis did. Its a insult to the all the victims of the nazis to even make such a idiotic comparison.

Separated only by degrees. The Nazis executed people they considered a threat to their ethnicity. The Chinese and Norks execute people they consider a threat to the state. The Muslims execute people they consider a threat to society and good order. Americans execute people they consider a threat to personal safety. All degrees. All just a step apart.
Should the state be allowed to execute people for crime against itself, crime against the State? Treason, espionage, should they be capital crimes? That's just one step, one degree separate from death for murder.

 

[TurtleDude]

I dont get whats wrong with rope or bullets.

hanging at least allows use of the prisoner's organs to save others.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Not a reliably quick and painless death.

So what? The standard in the United States is not a “quick and painless death” merely one that is free of wanton cruelty. It is not wrong if the condemned suffers during their death as long as the suffering was not the intention.

 

[dirtpoorchris]

Thats sad when we have H2S gas which will just make you fall asleep and die with zero physical pain.

 

[Wayne Jr]

I won't even have to say it in this thread. The headline says it for me.

It's a little-known fact that Arizona has been feeding its prisoners the same liquid Nazis used for their prisoners.

FYI the trade name for dihydrogen monoxide is "water".

 

[Wayne Jr]

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Not a reliably quick and painless death.

So?

 

[Wayne Jr]

Making them choke to death sets us apart from what exactly?

It's why we kill, that makes the difference.

 

[Crosscheck]

Put yourself in the shoes of Jessica Lundsford and the thought of her murderer feeling a bit of discomfort fades right away.

Jessica Marie Lunsford (October 6, 1995 – February 27, 2005) was an American nine-year-old girl from Homosassa, Florida, who was murdered in February 2005. Lunsford was abducted from her home in the early morning of February 24, 2005, by John Couey, a 46-year-old convicted sex offender who lived nearby. Couey held her captive over the weekend, during which she was raped and later murdered by being buried alive.

The death of that little girl is beyond comprehension how someone could be so evil. The killer died in prison of natural causes.

How hard would that be for a prison guard to look in the cell of that scum and not just beat the loving shite out of him.

 

[calamity]

It's not about the people on death row. It's about the state, and what measures a civilized country uses to dispense justice. When the method of dispensing that justice is exactly the form used by Nazi Germany something is wrong.

Sad that this needs to be explained.

 

[dirtpoorchris]

The method doesn't matter. Once you've decided to give the state the right to execute citizens all you have left is asking to not be bothered by the details.

Absolutely false. Big difference in killing a psychotic murderer with a quick beheading that only feels 1 second of pain and killing them with a tattoo gun over the course of 5 hours. Theres a big difference in 1 second of pain, 10 seconds of pain, 100 seconds of pain, 100 hours of pain, 100 days of pain.

 

[axelthefox]

Didn't NATO or such ban the use of Zykon B after WW2?

I think i kinda remember something about it from history class.

 

[AmNat]

When the method of dispensing that justice is exactly the form used by Nazi Germany something is wrong.

Germany has never used poison gas for judicial executions.