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We're not talking about a continual budget-cutting . . . how much cutting, I don't know - the article doesn't discuss that (I guess it didn't matter too much)
They dropped one person. . . one (at least according to article it's just one) - if the system couldn't flex and make it happen for just one person then I seriously question their actual values.
But we don't have the details - the article is drastically biased and actually provides no solid information. From forbes, of all places, I'd expect something far more substantial.
The state dropped 99 people from the transplant list, two have died so far
The Arizona budget that previously provided transplants to people in need was $1.4 million.
As there were 99 people on the waiting list for transplants at the time the cuts went into effect, the net result is that the State of Arizona valued each of these lives at something less than $14,000 a person.
Today, there are only 97 on the waiting list as two have passed away.
*Arizona Death Panel Claims Another Victim* :***** Information Clearing House: ICH
Where was the charity we are told would assist people like this?
Big surprise. The state of Arizona values human life at $14,000.
There's no reason to drop someone if it's likely that the majority won't receive a donor organ before they naturally die, anyway..
They do it all the time. For example, if someone waiting for a liver transplant was found to be drinking alcohol, they could be dropped from the list.
Why do you feel they should have chipped in to save this person. It would only have cost the life of the person who received that liver and already had the means to pay for it. The whole thread makes no sense.Notice how I asked where was the charity that conservatives so like to state will take care of the unfortunate, eliminating the need for governmental assistance. Given the conservative nature of Arizona I was suprised that millions of people did not donate to assist this person a fellow american could live.
Overall I am dissappointed at the individuals of Arizona who decided this person should die because they were too cheap to donate a few cents each to allow this person to get a transplant
What I find interesting is this would not even be a topic of discussion 20 or so years ago. Not sure why people are wanting the govt. to do everything for them.
You cannot and should not put a price on human life.
I tell you what, let's go to a national health care system and bankrupt the entire country while driving up the cost of care and driving down the availability of care so that no one can get a cold pill much less a transplant.
You are correct to a point. Insurance companies, judges/juries put a price all the time.
You are correct to a point. Insurance companies, judges/juries put a price all the time. The question is how to pay health care? How about the level of care? That is if a transplant is to be done, should a patient demand the leading transplant specialist peform the operation or should they accept any certified doctor. What are you willing to give up to provide health care for everyone?
You cannot and should not put a price on human life.
I'm not saying healthcare should be free and all doctors and pharmacists should work for charity. My view is that when the issue of cost comes up that would result in the death of someone, it's unethical to deny them treatment because they don't have enough money. I think a for-profit healthcare industry is a bad idea as care is centered around profits and not around patients.
Morally, I absolutely agree. However, we live in a world with finite resources and we have to somewhere because there is no way we can allocate resources to save everyone.
I feel we can make it more efficient though. I support a lot of the Republicans' views when it comes to cost cutting measures. I also support the Democrats in reforming healthcare into a government industry that is not run for profit. I think if we cut the charges down that would go towards profit, implemented Republican reforms, and had people paying the government instead of insurance companies healthcare would be cheaper for the individual and for the healthcare providers.
On a side biased note, I believe pharmacists should be allowed to write several prescriptions and be allowed to work maintinence clinics. In Florida they have grown the pharmacists' prescriptive authority and it has cut costs and provided better patient care. In the UK they have cut costs by allowing pharmacists to have clinics in their pharmacies and allowing them to prescribe certain medications. However, as states, my view is slightly biased
I agree with everything there. If anything, the pharmacist is probably going to best know the drug interactions and know which substances are relatively harmless for simple problems.
I think the same way. Pharmacists are the most knowledgeable people in the healthcare industry regarding medications and treatments as we study it intensely. The difference between doctors is that they are trained more so in medical techniques and diagnosis. However, most pharmacy curriculum study medical sciences for three years and one year of rotations. Most medical school curriculum are two years of study and two years of rotations. Doctors will still be a vital role in the medical industry, but I support more power to the pharmacists as well. Nurses and physician assistants are allowed to prescribe medication, yet in most states the only thing a pharmacist can do is write for the plan b contraceptive (which is far more dangerous than most drugs). I hope what has started in Florida will spread across the rest of the US. To my knowledge, there have been no problems in Florida due to pharmacists being able to prescribe several medications.
The pharmacist at the hospitals anticoagulation clinic name is on all my scripts then I pick them at wall mart where again the pharmacist there counsels me on the side affects and what ever I need to know. Oh BTW I take 7 different pills aday.
You cannot and should not put a price on human life.
I'm not saying healthcare should be free and all doctors and pharmacists should work for charity. My view is that when the issue of cost comes up that would result in the death of someone, it's unethical to deny them treatment because they don't have enough money. I think a for-profit healthcare industry is a bad idea as care is centered around profits and not around patients.
I'm not bothered.
I oppose transplants - period.
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