Are you saved?

[Revelation]

The parable of the sower addresses this. Only 1 of the examples is truly saved. So it is not uncommon for those who may think they are saved but never really we’re not

You can’t lose what one never had.

ok, but is Galatians 5 true? shall NOT inherit the kingdom of God?

most just sweep it under the rug, some say it is NOT written to the church.

wow, Galatians 1 says it is written to the church at Galatia.

and why did the Early church say that the Doctrine of Holiness say holiness was essential to get into heaven; but the Calvinists in 1500 change that to Eternal Security.

why can't we find Eternal Security in the anti-Nicene writings of the church?

i asked a friend that yesterday and he changed the subject. .........meh, that is how we do theology, we change the Subject. groan

 

[VySky]

ok, but is Galatians 5 true? shall NOT inherit the kingdom of God?

most just sweep it under the rug, some say it is NOT written to the church.

wow, Galatians 1 says it is written to the church at Galatia.

and why did the Early church say that the Doctrine of Holiness say holiness was essential to get into heaven; but the Calvinists in 1500 change that to Eternal Security.

why can't we find Eternal Security in the anti-Nicene writings of the church?

i asked a friend that yesterday and he changed the subject. .........meh, that is how we do theology, we change the Subject. groan

This is good convo. Grating hash browns for Mrs VySky. I’ll be back in a bit.

 

[VySky]

ok, but is Galatians 5 true? shall NOT inherit the kingdom of God?

most just sweep it under the rug, some say it is NOT written to the church.

wow, Galatians 1 says it is written to the church at Galatia.

and why did the Early church say that the Doctrine of Holiness say holiness was essential to get into heaven; but the Calvinists in 1500 change that to Eternal Security.

why can't we find Eternal Security in the anti-Nicene writings of the church?

i asked a friend that yesterday and he changed the subject. .........meh, that is how we do theology, we change the Subject. groan

Ok... Paul's letter to the church was to address false teachers.... Judaizers who were undermining the New Testament.

The struggle some have with this particular scripture is not recognizing there are 2 groups of people here. One group who wants to remain under the law of the OT, in rejection of redemption in the NT.

What that does is it separates them from Christ.

The keyword of v21 is "practice" The sense of this keyword is a Greek verb describing continual, habitual actions.

Individuals who continue un-interuppted, unrepentant "practice" of those sins can not belong to God. And those people were who Paul was addressing.

Paul is right.

Those not renewed in heart will be excluded from his kingdom.

I could probably do better given it more thought.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

It’s simple. If at any time in your life you followed Romans 10:9 - 10 you were born again at that very moment. It’s referred to as being born again to emphasize its permanence. You can do nothing to change your biological birth being that of your mother and father. Nor can you change what God wrought in you when you first believed God raised Jesus from the dead and confessed (at one time) his Lordship of Life (the new birth is the new Life).

Why would God allow someone into Heaven that doesn’t believe in Him?

 

[Overitall]

Why would God allow someone into Heaven that doesn’t believe in Him?

Love for the individual that believes (or at one time believed) that God raised Jesus from the dead. It cannot be earned, but grace makes it possible. I assume that the atheists (formerly Christians) among us will become believers when they are called up to heaven at the second coming of Jesus Christ.

 

[Daisy]

Paul also showed that one can disown their faith and by doing so is worse than a person without faith...

"Certainly if anyone does not provide for those who are his own, and especially for those who are members of his household, he has disowned the faith and is worse than a person without faith." 1 Timothy 5:8

Ad Peter said...

Certainly if after escaping from the defilements of the world by an accurate knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they get involved again with these very things and are overcome, their final state has become worse for them than the first. It would have been better for them not to have accurately known the path of righteousness than after knowing it to turn away from the holy commandment they had received." 2 Peter 2:21,22

 

[Overitall]

Well, I do believe. In God that is. Not in the Bible.

Overitall says I'm saved.

I don’t recall saying that. What I recall saying is that I’m inclined to believe you’re saved. Have you ever believed that God raised Jesus from death and confessed that Jesus is lord of life? If you had then you are born again and can’t undo that. You are saved if those two conditions are met.

I personally don't know. That's why I answered "I don't know" in the opening poll in this thread.

 

[eman623]

I don’t recall saying that. What I recall saying is that I’m inclined to believe you’re saved. Have you ever believed that God raised Jesus from death and confessed that Jesus is lord of life?

I did believe that. I don't think I've ever called Jesus "Lord of life"

If you had then you are born again and can’t undo that. You are saved if those two conditions are met.

Others say differently, that de-saving can occur if the savee stops believing in the resurrection.

I have no opinion on the matter.

 

[pinqy]

You can't. Once saved, always saved imho.

Here’s what I don’t understand about your position: if correct, then “sin” is a purely academic concept and has no bearing at all on our disposition after death. And yet, in my experience, once saved only saved Christians are extremely quick to condemn sin and have a huge list of sins.

It’s a paradox

 

[BabaVoss]

Happily, I was born successfully the first time. Doing it again seems wholly unneccesary, and kind of silly. I have no need of "saving".

 

[Overitall]

Here’s what I don’t understand about your position: if correct, then “sin” is a purely academic concept and has no bearing at all on our disposition after death. And yet, in my experience, once saved only saved Christians are extremely quick to condemn sin and have a huge list of sins.

It’s a paradox

The fact that salvation is of grace, not works, takes sin out of the picture. It takes work to live without sin. No man is capable of being entirely sinless, thus Jesus’ sacrifice cleansed us from sin. When God looks upon His children He sees only the holy spirit within them. The blood of Jesus washed away all our sins. The flesh of man sins; the gift of holy spirit does not and it’s that that makes the difference between salvation and eternal death.

 

[Overitall]

I did believe that. I don't think I've ever called Jesus "Lord of life"

It (confession) doesn’t necessarily involve verbalization. It can be a mental acknowledgement of his lordship which is seen by God.

Others say differently, that de-saving can occur if the savee stops believing in the resurrection.

I consider them to be wrong, based on my study of and understanding of scripture.

I have no opinion on the matter.

It’s noted. You can opine on what’s been brought up, which you have.

 

[pinqy]

The fact that salvation is of grace, not works, takes sin out of the picture. It takes work to live without sin. No man is capable of being entirely sinless, thus Jesus’ sacrifice cleansed us from sin. When God looks upon His children He sees only the holy spirit within them. The blood of Jesus washed away all our sins. The flesh of man sins; the gift of holy spirit does not and it’s that that makes the difference between salvation and eternal death.

If it makes no difference if we sin or not, then sin is a pointless concept: it has no meaning at all.

 

[Overitall]

If it makes no difference if we sin or not, then sin is a pointless concept: it has no meaning at all.

Not at all. Sin has consequences both now and in the future. You lose rewards in the future judgement. Salvation is of grace and not dependent on what you do, other than just accepting it by way of Romans 10:9 - 10.

 

[pinqy]

Not at all. Sin has consequences both now and in the future. You lose rewards in the future judgement.

But if one isn’t saved, it doesn’t matter at all. And what rewards, exactly? And why should you care about extra rewards as long as you’re saved

Salvation is of grace and not dependent on what you do, other than just accepting it by way of Romans 10:9 - 10.

I’ll see your Paul to the Romans, with James to the 12 tribes: James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

And I’ll raise you Jesus to his disciples: Matthew 25:31-46

To sum up: After Jesus comes in his glory, then he will judge people, and judge them by their works.

The point Paul was trying to make (and that Jesus had made as well) is that rote following of rituals or rites is useless…you can’t earn salvation by following an algorithm. But that doesn’t mean you don’t have to do anything at all.

 

[Peter]

I wish I'd been saved from the TV ending of Game of Thrones.

Bloody travesty.

 

[Overitall]

But if one isn’t saved, it doesn’t matter at all. And what rewards, exactly? And why should you care about extra rewards as long as you’re saved

I’ll see your Paul to the Romans, with James to the 12 tribes: James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

And I’ll raise you Jesus to his disciples: Matthew 25:31-46

To sum up: After Jesus comes in his glory, then he will judge people, and judge them by their works.

The point Paul was trying to make (and that Jesus had made as well) is that rote following of rituals or rites is useless…you can’t earn salvation by following an algorithm. But that doesn’t mean you don’t have to do anything at all.

There are different administrations found in the Bible. If you try to fit one into another you’ll end up with an erroneous interpretation.

There are five crowns promised to believers under certain conditions. I started a thread about it here:

Thread 'The Five Crowns'
https://debatepolitics.com/threads/the-five-crowns.526030/

 

[VySky]

If you believed once, God has not abandoned you, even though you abandoned Him.

Maybe for those truly saved as they will be grafted back into Christ. But we have the parable of the (4) soils. Only 1 is saved. The other 3 'thought' they were saved but were not.

Only God's elect will be saved.

Others as the soils illustrate heard the word, accepted Christ and repented, only to fall in the thistles etc and bare no fruit. They will go to hell like we all should but for his purpose God chose to save some.

Seed not Seed(s)

 

[Overitall]

Maybe for those truly saved as they will be grafted back into Christ. But we have the parable of the (4) soils. Only 1 is saved. The other 3 'thought' they were saved but were not.

Only God's elect will be saved.

Others as the soils illustrate heard the word, accepted Christ and repented, only to fall in the thistles etc and bare no fruit. They will go to hell like we all should but for his purpose God chose to save some.

Seed not Seed(s)

I think you may be misunderstanding the parable of the sower. The “seed” is the Word of God. The “ground” are different people who hear the Word and the reaction towards it. Only one of them received it to the point of producing fruit. All the others never let it take root in their hearts. Only the one was saved.

 

[VySky]

I think you may be misunderstanding the parable of the sower. The “seed” is the Word of God. The “ground” are different people who hear the Word and the reaction towards it. Only one of them received it to the point of producing fruit. All the others never let it take root in their hearts. Only the one was saved.

Good Morning. Yes, I agree in part. I do a poor job at times speaking clear as other

The reaction is thinking they were saved. When trials or tribulations arise the falter.

Not everyone who thinks they are saved actually are.

Emphasis mine

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Jesus’ explanation of the Parable of the Sower highlights four different responses to the gospel.

The seed is “the word of the kingdom.” The hard ground represents someone who is hardened by sin; he hears but does not understand the Word, and Satan plucks the message away, keeping the heart dull and preventing the Word from making an impression.

The stony ground pictures a man who professes delight with the Word; however, his heart is not changed, and when trouble arises, his so-called faith quickly disappears.

The thorny ground depicts one who seems to receive the Word, but whose heart is full of riches, pleasures, and lusts; the things of this world take his time and attention away from the Word, and he ends up having no time for it.

The good ground portrays the one who hears, understands, and receives the Word—and then allows the Word to accomplish its result in his life. The man represented by the “good ground” is the only one of the four who is truly saved, because salvation’s proof is fruit (Matthew 3:7-8; 7:15-20).

What is the meaning of the Parable of the Sower? | GotQuestions.org

What is the meaning of the Parable of the Sower? Why did Jesus often speak using parables instead of teaching more clearly?

www.gotquestions.org

 

[Overitall]

Good Morning. Yes, I agree in part. I do a poor job at times speaking clear as other

The reaction is thinking they were saved. When trials or tribulations arise the falter.

Not everyone who thinks they are saved actually are.

Emphasis mine

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Jesus’ explanation of the Parable of the Sower highlights four different responses to the gospel.

The seed is “the word of the kingdom.” The hard ground represents someone who is hardened by sin; he hears but does not understand the Word, and Satan plucks the message away, keeping the heart dull and preventing the Word from making an impression.

The stony ground pictures a man who professes delight with the Word; however, his heart is not changed, and when trouble arises, his so-called faith quickly disappears.

The thorny ground depicts one who seems to receive the Word, but whose heart is full of riches, pleasures, and lusts; the things of this world take his time and attention away from the Word, and he ends up having no time for it.

The good ground portrays the one who hears, understands, and receives the Word—and then allows the Word to accomplish its result in his life. The man represented by the “good ground” is the only one of the four who is truly saved, because salvation’s proof is fruit (Matthew 3:7-8; 7:15-20).

What is the meaning of the Parable of the Sower? | GotQuestions.org

What is the meaning of the Parable of the Sower? Why did Jesus often speak using parables instead of teaching more clearly?

www.gotquestions.org

I’m in agreement with what you’ve presented.

 

[VySky]

I’m in agreement with what you’ve presented.

God bless you OT.

 

[Revelation]

God bless you OT.

thanks VySky, the sower parable covers a lot of Theological questions thrown around. most can prolly find their faith inside of what Jesus said.

the parable of the Prodigal Son helps those who are not good ground to turn around; God is not will that any should perish but all should come to Repentance.

God is not a Calvinist, all mean all. loved the World in John 3:16 stands as written.


40 blessings.

 

[Overitall]

God bless you OT.

Back at you!

 

[Revelation]

God bless you OT.

been missing OT, is he coming back ???