Are You A Partisan Hypocrite?

[liblady]

Of course that's what a suprlus does. However, the fact of existing debt from previous fiscal years doesn't negate the condition of budget surplus in any given year .... if such a condition exists. And it did, for several years, until 43 pissed it away then went for broke (man did he succeed).


Besides, your link is just some guy, it's as compelling as a post on a message board. Less so, since he doesn't understand money, obviously.

good luck with this.

 

[j-mac]

good luck with this.

Yes, and so lets see, Clinton had this huge surplus, and instead of using it in a responsible way to pay down debt, he did what exactly? sat on it? Look, the so called surplus was a paper tiger, it never existed because it was projected on paper over future years with a static, pie in the sky projection. It was as fictitious as your theory of the world starting with Bush.

Night now.


j-mac

 

[1 Easy Target]

Where in my post do you find anything that says only one side is guilty of scare tactics? I was railing against one side which does tend to do it much more often than the other (especially in those orchestrated town hall fiascos) but at no point did I say that only the GOP does it.

Oh, no, you didn't actually want to open the can of worms about "orchestrated town hall fiascos", did you? If so please show me one of the Obama town halls that contained anything other than a packed house of Democrat supporters? Just one?

From personal experience here in San Diego, my Democrat Representative would not publish her schedule until the day before the events. Funny that my girlfriend (a union employee) got notice two weeks in advance and was encouraged to get there early to "fill the halls" with Democrat supporters.

And how about the buses of SEIU members who were brought in and given head of the line privileges at many of the town hall meetings. Some of the biggest blowback was in regards to these sort of tactics keeping citizens OUT of the meetings by packing them with union thugs.

 

[1 Easy Target]

I don't have to argue for any other year. This is just a working forecast. It depends on several highly variable postulations. For example, if the economy picks up on any of those years, revenue will be proportionally higher. The chart exists because it needs to exist so that the Administration will have something to work with.

Oh, I love this quote. By this logic, you have just refuted 9 years of Democrats ranting about how Bush wasted the "Clinton Surplus" which was entirely a working forecast based on rosy projections. Thank you for pointing out there never was any real surplus, only the delusional talking points of the left. :rofl

 

[Devil505]

Oh, no, you didn't actually want to open the can of worms about "orchestrated town hall fiascos", did you?

Here is my opinion:

The GOP is much more prone to attempted deception than any other party but since I cannot prove that...there is no point in discussing it further. Your side can't prove anything either so further discussion on this point is useless.

 

[reefedjib]

Here is my opinion:

The GOP is much more prone to attempted deception than any other party ...

:rofl:rofl:rofl How did you come up with this gem?

 

[Devil505]

:rofl:rofl:rofl How did you come up with this gem?

All we're going to accomplish here is to argue since neither of us can prove anything. I have spent my whole like as a criminal investigator & am fairly up on the news. I stated my strong belief but have no expectation of being able to convince you so this road leads to a dead end.
Next question please? :lol:

 

[j-mac]

Hey Devil, as a lifelong criminal investigator, how would you view this action, and what conclusions can you draw from this video?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTXBOgPCh9w"]YouTube - Fight at Russ Carnahan Town Hall Event - Raw Video (8/6/09)[/ame]


or this one?


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fHSW4Txxz8"]YouTube - Man Who Got Finger Bitten Off At Town Hall Talks To Cavuto[/ame]


j-mac

 

[Devil505]

Hey Devil, as a lifelong criminal investigator, how would you view this action, and what conclusions can you draw from this video?

YouTube - Fight at Russ Carnahan Town Hall Event - Raw Video (8/6/09)


or this one?


YouTube - Man Who Got Finger Bitten Off At Town Hall Talks To Cavuto


j-mac

If you're contention is that I believe only one side does dirty, underhanded things.then you are wrong. People from all groups can act badly & I never claimed only one side does it.

That being said, I believe the far right is much more prone to this bad behavior than the left & I think the Teaparty movement is directly run by Fox News & the GOP.

Can I prove any of this?....NO
Am I entitled to my belief....Hell Yes!

These discussions never accomplish a thing so I see little point in pushing the issue. We will not change any minds & I think our time would be put to better use discussing other things.

 

[reefedjib]

All we're going to accomplish here is to argue since neither of us can prove anything. I have spent my whole like as a criminal investigator & am fairly up on the news. I stated my strong belief but have no expectation of being able to convince you so this road leads to a dead end.
Next question please? :lol:

In other words, it is complete speculation colored by your political bias. Next question! :lol:

 

[j-mac]

If you're contention is that I believe only one side does dirty, underhanded things.then you are wrong. People from all groups can act badly & I never claimed only one side does it.

don't be so defensive Devil, I believe this as well.

That being said, I believe the far right is much more prone to this bad behavior than the left & I think the Teaparty movement is directly run by Fox News & the GOP.

Well, this may be for a different thread, and has nothing to do with the question I just asked you.

Can I prove any of this?....NO
Am I entitled to my belief....Hell Yes!

who said differently, and why are you yelling?

These discussions never accomplish a thing so I see little point in pushing the issue. We will not change any minds & I think our time would be put to better use discussing other things.

You made several assertions that could lead to interesting discussions, both in the post that I had a question about, as well as this one. Now you say you want to just make these statements without challenge, and move on, not having to defend some of what I consider to be absurd statements. So tell me what discussions would you like to have? one where everyone agrees with your POV? and that's it? Now, I'd be interested in having my first question answered please.


j-mac

 

[Devil505]

In other words, it is complete speculation colored by your political bias. Next question! :lol:

Without absolute proof ........everything is speculation & bias so I have no problems with your assertion.
Will the sun rise tomorrow?....No one can PROVE it will but I can speculate that the earth will not suddenly stop rotating.
These discussions always boil down to demands for absolute proof or what you base your speculation on ....& I just don't have much interest in replowing the same field that has been plowed ad infinitum.
There are plenty of other things to debate here but I think at this point, this thread is really just :beatdeadhorse....for me.

 

[OldMercsRule]

Devil505 states: If you voice arguments against the deficit & spending of the Obama Administration, did you do the same when GW Bush had two wars going (& still cut taxes) & took this nation from a surplus to a huge deficit?

SURPLUS yer sayin? :shock: I guess ya actually believe the phony accounting the Gubmint uses and has used since LBJ and his dim wit Democrats who corntrolled Congress in the mid 1960s that changed the accounting standards of Nanny Gubmint ta include the revenues of Social Security? If so I have a bridge fer sale that you will prolly be interested in.

If you did, you are not a hypocrite & deserve our attention.

I guess the snarky Liberals n' Moderates n' wobbly Cornservatives on this site think the corntrol n' own the word HYPOCRITE.

Jus' like they think they own the word RACIST.

If you didn't, you are a partisan hypocrite & deserve a job on Fox News.

N' you desirve a job gettin' swirlys in the terlet! :2wave:

Respectfully, JR :mrgreen:

 

[1 Easy Target]

Can I prove any of this?....NO
Am I entitled to my belief....Hell Yes!

These discussions never accomplish a thing so I see little point in pushing the issue. We will not change any minds & I think our time would be put to better use discussing other things.

So you throw out an incendiary statement based on no facts whatsoever, then when people respond to your statements, you say "These discussions never accomplish a thing so I see little point in pushing the issue."

Typical. Come back and play when you can actually hold up your side of a debate.:roll:

 

[Devil505]

So you throw out an incendiary statement based on no facts whatsoever, then when people respond to your statements, you say "These discussions never accomplish a thing so I see little point in pushing the issue."

Typical. Come back and play when you can actually hold up your side of a debate.:roll:

This is the 22nd page of this debate....Not the first. If I see something new that I want to respond to...I'll jump in. So far it's just the same old crap.
Knock yourselves out.

 

[j-mac]

This is the 22nd page of this debate....Not the first. If I see something new that I want to respond to...I'll jump in. So far it's just the same old crap.
Knock yourselves out.

How about you just answer a question posed to you, instead of constant dodging, and twisting of words, then claiming that your own thread bores you so then you wont participate anymore, yet come on a day later to respond to someone else? IOW, Man up!


j-mac

 

[Devil505]

How about you just answer a question posed to you, instead of constant dodging, and twisting of words, then claiming that your own thread bores you so then you wont participate anymore, yet come on a day later to respond to someone else? IOW, Man up!


j-mac

Nah.....Done that already but......I suggest you take a pill or something & try to mellow out.

 

[j-mac]

Nah.....Done that already but......I suggest you take a pill or something & try to mellow out.

:rofl What ever dude....This is just plain boring....Next time do us a favor, and don't post a subject that you aren't prepared to defend.

*Shakes head and heads for fridge to get a beer.*


j-mac

 

[Strucky]

:rofl What ever dude....This is just plain boring....Next time do us a favor, and don't post a subject that you aren't prepared to defend.

*Shakes head and heads for fridge to get a beer.*


j-mac

:rofl The frustration with Devil's inability to carry on a debate appears to be universal.

 

[Strucky]

This is the 22nd page of this debate....Not the first.

22 pages of you refusing to answer anything.

 

[Aunt Spiker]

If you voice arguments against the deficit & spending of the Obama Administration, did you do the same when GW Bush had two wars going (& still cut taxes) & took this nation from a surplus to a huge deficit?

If you did, you are not a hypocrite & deserve our attention.
If you didn't, you are a partisan hypocrite & deserve a job on Fox News.

I am definitely not a values-hypocrite (I'm a conservative progressive with a lot of moderate views on the non-major issues)

I was royally T'd off when they passed the TARP and all that junk that went on - totally T'd off.

And, thus, i'm against all mega spending bills, especially those that aren't directed at our current issues, more so at issues that we've been putting off this far ... which, naturally, would lead them to want to dive into them RIGHT NOW while we're amid a war and social unrest.