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Are you a liberal?

Are you liberal in thought and action or part of the center or the right

  • Yes

    Votes: 33 76.7%

  • No

    Votes: 7 16.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 7.0%
  • Total voters
    43
bearpoker said:
I consider myself a liberal, but my generosity is not unlimited, nor is my tolerance.
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my generosity is only limited by the size of my wallet, and my tolerance knows no bounds ;)
 
Felis Leo said:
Yes, in the literal sense it does. In the same way that not tolerating other sects of the same broad religion makes one sectarian. That is why clarification is always helpful. Being intolerant of anything literally makes one intolerant. Not tolerating, say, racial bigotry does not make one a racial bigot.
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T/Y for expounding.
 
SNOWFLAKE said:
you are bucking the trend my friend, the more people age, the more conservative, paranoid and skeptical they become.
even some Canadians are like that, believe it or not.
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I first voted for Reagan in 1984, after reading Conscience of a Conservative.

I continued to vote for the GOP until they resisted opening the military for gay men and women in the 1990's. The Evangelicals hijacked the party, as time goes on the GOP continues to lurch to the Right. When the Supreme Court legalized gay marriage, it shook the GOP to its core, and they lurched even further to the Right in response.

The same Republicans who wrap themselves in the flag now defend or try to minimize Jan 6 for political reasons. Those nut cases who stormed the Capital are the modern day GOP, and that is some scary shit!
 
DataPoint said:
... which means do not rely on your memory.
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That goes without saying. I do remember some of those things from the TIME article, but those things are a far cry from the niggling things they argue about today.
 
I would consider myself a liberal in terms of social things,
but in fascial matters I am quite conservatives.
I think our government should be as careful with our tax dollars, as we should be with our own money,
and should limit spending to only that which they are chartered to do.
We should all be tolerant of other cultures, races, and social groups, but only to the point,
that those groups are willing to be tolerant or others themselves.
I.E. we can tolerate someone's religion, but only to the point that their religious practices
do not impact the freedoms of others.
 
yankintx said:
Those nut cases who stormed the Capital are the modern day GOP, and that is some scary shit!
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The GOP has its own set of issues but the 500 or so assholes who broke into the Capitol and assaulted the police officers are not the modern day GOP. Those folks were outliers, just as Antifa are outliers.

Painting with a broad brush seems to be commonplace nowadays and it's increasing the division. Every Republican I know condemns the acts of 1/6 as well as white supremacy. But listening to some folks here (you included), you act like 500 people represent nearly half the country when in fact that couldn't be further from the truth. Every Democrat I know (with the exception of a very few) condemns the acts of Antifa as well as the BLM protesters who loot and destroy. It's long past time to stop blaming entire "sides" for the actions of a few.
 
Felis Leo said:
Yes, in the literal sense it does. In the same way that not tolerating other sects of the same broad religion makes one sectarian. That is why clarification is always helpful. Being intolerant of anything literally makes one intolerant. Not tolerating, say, racial bigotry does not make one a racial bigot.
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I think it makes you into a bystander. - think of those Germans who tolerated Nazism but didn't actively participate or embrace the ideology. Some folks say they are the most guilty of all.

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
 
RedAkston said:
The GOP has its own set of issues but the 500 or so assholes who broke into the Capitol and assaulted the police officers are not the modern day GOP. Those folks were outliers, just as Antifa are outliers.

Painting with a broad brush seems to be commonplace nowadays and it's increasing the division. Every Republican I know condemns the acts of 1/6 as well as white supremacy. But listening to some folks here (you included), you act like 500 people represent nearly half the country when in fact that couldn't be further from the truth. Every Democrat I know (with the exception of a very few) condemns the acts of Antifa as well as the BLM protesters who loot and destroy. It's long past time to stop blaming entire "sides" for the actions of a few.
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:sigh: Don't know about you but it gets extremely tiring attempting to correct people like the poster you've responded to regarding
the Capitol violence.

So much willful disinformation is being spread like horse manure on this forum. It's getting old...
 
j brown's body said:
I think it makes you into a bystander. - think of those Germans who tolerated Nazism but didn't actively participate or embrace the ideology. Some folks say they are the most guilty of all.

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
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Indeed it certainly can. But I do not think "intolerance" is either a negative or a positive trait in itself. It all depends on what one is intolerant of. I presume you would agree that being intolerant of racial integration over a pure white ethnostate is a wicked view to hold, but being intolerant of open child molestation certainly is not.
 
Felis Leo said:
Indeed it certainly can. But I do not think "intolerance" is either a negative or a positive trait in itself. It all depends on what one is intolerant of. I presume you would agree that being intolerant of racial integration over a pure white ethnostate is a wicked view to hold, but being intolerant of open child molestation certainly is not.
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Indeed.
 
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