Are Trump's Attacks on Clinton Working?

[Gaugingcatenate]

1) Of course you don't think the years with a Democratic president haven't been good. And I doubt your studies of history and politics provide you with a unique insight into public policy. Believe it or not, others can study these subjects just as diligently and not reach the same conclusions you did. For example, did your studies include economics? Because for the life of them, conservatives just can't seem to get economics. Paul Ryan is an outstanding example, swearing that Quantitative Easing was going to "debase the dollar" and result in raging inflation. Six years into the policy he was still claiming that inflation was just around the corner due to the dastardly Fed. What our nation needs, in my opinion, is investment in infrastructure, education, and scientific research. (And we need to accept the results of that research, for example in the area of climate science).
2) How many outstanding accomplishments can you name with regard to any particular senator? Especially a senator whose party was in the minority the whole time she served? If presented with a list of bills she championed, like the DREAM Act, you'll just dismiss them because they don't advance the conservative cause...
3) So is honesty important to you? Really? Because Hillary Clinton FAR surpasses Donald Trump when it comes to honesty...

Everything else is eyewash.

1. I know that this presidency has been one of destruction of values, core values that are required for a stable society. You don't agree with that, understood, but I have two hundred plus years of living proof that those values are winners. Where is your shining example that government intervention/interference in the marketplace works long term?

Never said my views were unique, unique is very difficult in a world that does have new ideas, but unique in the realm of social, political and historical thought is asking a bit much. I stand on the shoulders of those who came before me, those who wrote things I have studied, multiple sources. Myself have taught civics, law, US History, European and World History... and Economics... so don't even start with trying to tell me conservatives do not know economics. I have also worked in retail credit, trust banking, marketing, started two businesses and have traveled much of the Western Hemisphere and most the countries of Western Europe... so experience coupled with education.

We have had prior experience with adding quantities of money to the money supply, called monetizing the debt, only slightly different and sometimes the same. No one could have reasonably fathomed as to why, with adding so many new billions of paper dollars each month to the money supply, that we did not have higher inflation. Except for the fact that we were already in a deflationary period. With so much easy money that had led to overbuilding/over-speculation in the housing market, with the collapse prices in that area came way way down... financial institutions hoarded a lot of the new money not creating even more new money by lending it out over and over using the money multiplier effect, so the money supply remained relatively stable. Besides which much of the rest of the world was doing even worse than we were. There was no real way to determine all that before/during the fact, in reality we ostensibly should, with more dollars being added, have had a lessening effect on the value of the dollar.

Spin the roulette wheel and get lucky sometimes.

Listen, we already went over the squandering that Obama did with the stimulus. Fact is if we pass legislation to fund these things, with Democrats in control what we got was basically massive payoffs to Democrat client groups, particularly public sector unions/green energy companies. Not much, as we saw from the previous graph, went into infrastructure. Definitely needed it though.

We spend plenty, too much on education from the federal level already. Climate science? While we could use some honest/ not money grubbing studies on the reality of the situation, that is not what you are talking about... you do know we have had a pause, for like 17 years in the warming trend even though dreaded greenhouse gas, CO[SUB]2[/SUB], levels have been steadily increasing, right? Research modeling has been way way off.

2. Yeah, not much in the way of accomplishment from either senator or secy of state Clinton.
3. As for lying, I already posted this and you can also look at post #48 this thread for additional, like making up sniper fire landing in Bosnia, a big fat lie, not to mention Benghazi or her email lies... but liar Clinton = All False statements involving Hillary Clinton | PolitiFact

So, you gotta be kidding that you can in good conscience vote for this disgrace.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

Translation: "Christian" straight white males who used to rule this nation and all its important power centers are being forced to share that power with women, minorities, gays, and non-Christians. This makes them angry and/or scared.

Here's a good look into the soul of Donald Trump: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QUYQUd0Qh8

Speak your own words and I will speak mine, I don't want nor need you misinterpreting what I said. Nobody is forcing anything, win at the ballot box and all is fine. However, use of activist courts and judges to subvert the laws of legislatures duly elected by the sovereigns of this country, we, the people, then we have a problem. You on that side keep on trying to divide us up into warring groups... and this overt tendency towards bigotry shown in your anti white, especially male, anti straight, anti Christian rhetoric. I am guessing you don't even notice your own prejudices, do you?

If you acted at all inclusive, not so divisive, you might be able to make a decent point, but here you are dividing us up, wanting so bad to create a fight, to make it an us against them situation. So you poke poke and keep poking until you get that fight... and then what do you do? Say, hey look, they are all upset and angry.

Asininity does not help promote good causes, yano?

We, the people, the majority have a right to keep the morals and values that WE choose, not the ones YOU would choose and force upon us.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

Yep, and that Right Wing media bubble is why they are so unhappy. 24/7 they are preached to about how Obama is destroying America. And then, when they see the "establishment" refuse to burn down the house in an effort to stop him, they feel betrayed.

Hell, these are the people who thought John Boehner was too liberal and just an Obama appeaser because he wanted to keep the US from defaulting and our government from shutting down.

Ok now, do you have anything other than the cartoon version of reality to express?

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

* - are the Republicans still considered a major party?

Are you seriously opining the fact of whether Republicans are still a major party? Don't you worry about credibilty at all? No, I guess as a progressive, one is not constricted by such things as, pffffttt, reality, eh? Not a necessity in the progressive's toolbox.

So, lets go over this nice and slow so that it may, with luck, sink in.

1. Majorities in both national Congressional bodies, House and Senate... are we clear there [meaning, for those who cannot keep up, the REPUBLICANS ]?

2. 31 out of 50 governorships [meaning, for those who cannot keep up, the REPUBLICANS ] clear?

3. Control of 68 out of 98 partisan state legislatures [meaning, for those who cannot keep up, the REPUBLICANS ]clear?

4. 23 states they currently hold the governorship AND both houses of the legislature (24 if Sean Parnell wins re-election in Alaska)[meaning, for those who cannot keep up, the REPUBLICANS ], while Democrats have that level of control in only seven. clear?

Guess the real Question is, after Trump wins and we retain both houses and pick up even more governorships and state legislatures, will the Democrat party still actually be considered a major political party? clear?

Another Question: Owls, being predatory fowl, probably are very accustomed to eating crow, eh?

 

[Crovax]

How is saying Delete your account as nasty as saying She had blood gushing out of her wherever??? Not on the same level at all. I don't understand your reasoning.

It's not as crude but it's certainly not as pithy as everyone seems to think. "Delete your account" isn't smart, isn't new, isn't even particularly insightful. It's the type of thing you would see on the youtube comments page, not from a presidental hopeful. Yes Trump says worse but that doesn't make what Hillary said good. It's one the same level because it's a baseless insult with no valid point to make, definitely Trump level.

 

[Hawkeye10]

It's not as crude but it's certainly not as pithy as everyone seems to think. "Delete your account" isn't smart, isn't new, isn't even particularly insightful. It's the type of thing you would see on the youtube comments page, not from a presidental hopeful. Yes Trump says worse but that doesn't make what Hillary said good. It's one the same level because it's a baseless insult with no valid point to make, definitely Trump level.

Ya I was thinking the same thing. It will be interesting to maybe see if it did anything, for me all it did is seem normal, THE CLINTONS being the pinnacle of the out of touch elite.

 

[Frank Apisa]

Your reasoning? Too much destructive change is definitely already here... need to change back. All this divisiveness under Obama, undermining of values, our core beliefs that led us from Independence to become the most respected, powerful and prosperous nation in the history of the planet. That came from our original ideals and values. Until recently, we were a beacon leading other nations, a world to far more prosperous/less dangerous times.

If we still have any justice in this country, over-the-Hillary will be indicted by November. Have itemized the lies, almost assured corruption... you do not even go as far as to deny it. She represents a party based on little else than gaining power for power's sake, to accomplish by any means the ill prescribed future heading us towards European failed systems instead of the American miracle.

Why?

1. Explain the reasoning behind your statements. Optimistic? Well unless perhaps if you believe in socialism/crony capitalism [which despite its name is not capitalism at all]... Dominance of society by government, a true invasive cancer started in force with Wilson stopped by Harding/Coolidge. Hoover starting again progressing far beyond what it should have under FDR, slowed under Truman, Eisenhower, even Kennedy, recommenced in force under LBJ...the failure of Carter, a resurgent spirit revived country under Reagan, much lesser under GHWB, Clinton was a wash. GWB allowing way more spending, social/otherwise and now, this debacle that has been Obama.

2. Reasons why you would vote for Hillary? Obviously you cannot give a list of her accomplishments. You countenance her lies, her rapid wealth accumulation at the same time producing what of value to sell? Nothing, so explain that. Why go to such great lengths to set up a separate private server, hide her emails, erase them, continue to lie about it?

3. Socialism may indeed rise/replace/kill capitalism, eventually sure... along with that will come certain human toll, death, much misery on a grand scale. Socialism being on the road to communism, is for despots, totalitarians. You are willing to go that way backing Obama now Clinton. Question is, no offense, are you a knowing advocate, or just one of that plan's useful idiots willing to supply the rope which they will use to hang us?

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill.

Sorry, have to call you on your statement, racist in effect if not intention, about white males. Its simply unacceptable. We have not had such a great country based on dominance of any race, but upon the dominance of a moral culture, a giving and hard working culture with governance, until recent times by a fairly true adherence to a document known as the Constitution. There is not white, black, red, yellow etc... only Americans, un-hyphenated, of all stripes., It matters not what their race, birth gender nor ethnicity... just that they stick to our values and understand/appreciate our unique heritage. While that great guidance was provided, in fact, by white males, it is for all. That you would point to one group, dividing us, pit one group against another is just one of the reasons I, personally, cannot abide modern liberalism.

If your side intends to ruin that for which our forefathers laid down lives to establish then preserve, we, real America, have a duty to fight that. Secede, form your own country, experiment with your own children/grandchildren. We already have the equation, know how to run an excellent, prosperous and strong country...

We have been idle too long, allowed those ignorant of human nature, who would destroy that which we should preserve for our posterity thankfully handed down to our and previous generations, those wreckers of liberty to slowly, almost silently gain a choke-hold from which we need to extricate ourselves.

So yes, you have now convinced me for certain that Trump is our guy for this election. There is simply NO viable alternative.

Great.

I want people like you voting for Donald Trump. Birds of a feather...and all that.

And when you lose...at least there is a chance you will see the light.

 

[Frank Apisa]

I am worried that Trump keeps on saying that he is not going to change because I think the longer he stays with this game plan the more likely that the elite crack the code and figure out a way to beat him. I think he should look a lot different coming out of the convention than he has been till now. Maybe this is a diversion, maybe he has a new battle plan or is making one and he is just lulling the elite onto complacency, but I am starting to worry.

He cannot change, Hawk...because he is MUCH too thin skinned.

Any skilled debater knows how to push buttons that will cause a buffoon like Trump to go off the tracks.

The Republican's BEST choice is to throw him under the bus. They will lose the election in any case, but that move would at least give their undercard the best chance of staying whole.

 

[Frank Apisa]

Yes... trust him, he is going to be great.

The first used car salesman ever to win the nomination of a major party *.

* - are the Republicans still considered a major party?

At least until November they are.

 

[Hawkeye10]

He cannot change, Hawk...because he is MUCH too thin skinned.

Any skilled debater knows how to push buttons that will cause a buffoon like Trump to go off the tracks.

The Republican's BEST choice is to throw him under the bus. They will lose the election in any case, but that move would at least give their undercard the best chance of staying whole.

Then he loses, but I am very far from being convinced that what you say is true.

 

[Frank Apisa]

1. I know that this presidency has been one of destruction of values, core values that are required for a stable society. You don't agree with that, understood, but I have two hundred plus years of living proof that those values are winners. Where is your shining example that government intervention/interference in the marketplace works long term?

Never said my views were unique, unique is very difficult in a world that does have new ideas, but unique in the realm of social, political and historical thought is asking a bit much. I stand on the shoulders of those who came before me, those who wrote things I have studied, multiple sources. Myself have taught civics, law, US History, European and World History... and Economics... so don't even start with trying to tell me conservatives do not know economics. I have also worked in retail credit, trust banking, marketing, started two businesses and have traveled much of the Western Hemisphere and most the countries of Western Europe... so experience coupled with education.

We have had prior experience with adding quantities of money to the money supply, called monetizing the debt, only slightly different and sometimes the same. No one could have reasonably fathomed as to why, with adding so many new billions of paper dollars each month to the money supply, that we did not have higher inflation. Except for the fact that we were already in a deflationary period. With so much easy money that had led to overbuilding/over-speculation in the housing market, with the collapse prices in that area came way way down... financial institutions hoarded a lot of the new money not creating even more new money by lending it out over and over using the money multiplier effect, so the money supply remained relatively stable. Besides which much of the rest of the world was doing even worse than we were. There was no real way to determine all that before/during the fact, in reality we ostensibly should, with more dollars being added, have had a lessening effect on the value of the dollar.

Spin the roulette wheel and get lucky sometimes.

Listen, we already went over the squandering that Obama did with the stimulus. Fact is if we pass legislation to fund these things, with Democrats in control what we got was basically massive payoffs to Democrat client groups, particularly public sector unions/green energy companies. Not much, as we saw from the previous graph, went into infrastructure. Definitely needed it though.

We spend plenty, too much on education from the federal level already. Climate science? While we could use some honest/ not money grubbing studies on the reality of the situation, that is not what you are talking about... you do know we have had a pause, for like 17 years in the warming trend even though dreaded greenhouse gas, CO[SUB]2[/SUB], levels have been steadily increasing, right? Research modeling has been way way off.

2. Yeah, not much in the way of accomplishment from either senator or secy of state Clinton.
3. As for lying, I already posted this and you can also look at post #48 this thread for additional, like making up sniper fire landing in Bosnia, a big fat lie, not to mention Benghazi or her email lies... but liar Clinton = All False statements involving Hillary Clinton | PolitiFact

So, you gotta be kidding that you can in good conscience vote for this disgrace.

I cannot wait to pull the lever over her name. She will be a fine president...and laughing at the haters will become a national pastime.

 

[Frank Apisa]

Speak your own words and I will speak mine, I don't want nor need you misinterpreting what I said. Nobody is forcing anything, win at the ballot box and all is fine. However, use of activist courts and judges to subvert the laws of legislatures duly elected by the sovereigns of this country, we, the people, then we have a problem. You on that side keep on trying to divide us up into warring groups... and this overt tendency towards bigotry shown in your anti white, especially male, anti straight, anti Christian rhetoric. I am guessing you don't even notice your own prejudices, do you?

If you acted at all inclusive, not so divisive, you might be able to make a decent point, but here you are dividing us up, wanting so bad to create a fight, to make it an us against them situation. So you poke poke and keep poking until you get that fight... and then what do you do? Say, hey look, they are all upset and angry.

Asininity does not help promote good causes, yano?

We, the people, the majority have a right to keep the morals and values that WE choose, not the ones YOU would choose and force upon us.

So you think we will have to put up with you guys forcing YOUR values down our throats, huh?

Ain't gonna happen. Your day is over.

 

[calamity]

All one needs to do is look at the decimated middle class and the declining quality of most families balance sheet to be sure that those 66% of the americans who say that America is on the wrong track have a legit point.

Stop dismissing them and their opinions, or explaining it by claiming versions of a mind meld controlling them.

This is not who we are.

It is un American.

Seriously.

When the 1% sees income rise 200% and the MC barely gets a 3% raise, we know we have a problem. On that we at least agree. I just don't see how electing a buffoon is going to change that metric.

The fact of the matter is capital has more value than labor today. And, as automation continues to improve, this fact will continue. BTW, all is not that bad--stuff is a lot cheaper now. Incomes are down, but people owning more junk is way up. Way up.

The future is going to be completely different than the past. We may need a welfare state which taxes those of us who do well in the high-tech workplace in order to subsidize those who do not. But, of course, Righties oppose that. Things like housing, healthcare, retirement, education, etc. may no longer be affordable for those left behind. But, things made or produced by automation like food, TV, computers, etc. will continue to get cheaper.

Middle class, low skilled jobs are never coming back. Anyone saying they will is lying.

 

[calamity]

Ok now, do you have anything other than the cartoon version of reality to express?

You are right about one thing--the GOP has become a caricature.

 

[CanadaJohn]

Ahhh...so as a Hillary Clinton supporter...I am "shameless" in your estimation.

Interesting!

I believe I said "most" HC supporters, so I'll leave that up to you, but clearly, in my view, if you're actively supporting this woman for the Presidency, you're ignoring a multitude of flaws and unsavory characteristics and history. And to be clear, there's a difference between actively supporting the woman, which I believe requires a certain level of shamelessness, and holding your nose and selecting the "evil of two lessers" in an either/or selection between two horrible alternatives.

 

[CanadaJohn]

So by "shameless," do you mean her shameless support for a woman's right to choose?
Her shameless acknowledgement that human-caused global warming is real?
He shameless support for increasing the minimum wage?
Her shameless support for the Affordable Care Act?
Her shameless support for early childhood education?
Her shameless support to invest in infrastructure, education and scientific research?
Her shameless support for labor?
Her shameless belief that we should make voting easier, not harder?

Hillary will be great. The USA is on a roll despite everything conservatives do to try to block our economic and social progress.

I see she's got you totally fooled.

 

[Frank Apisa]

I believe I said "most" HC supporters, so I'll leave that up to you, but clearly, in my view, if you're actively supporting this woman for the Presidency, you're ignoring a multitude of flaws and unsavory characteristics and history. And to be clear, there's a difference between actively supporting the woman, which I believe requires a certain level of shamelessness, and holding your nose and selecting the "evil of two lessers" in an either/or selection between two horrible alternatives.

There is a "horrible alternative."

Donald Trump.

Hillary Clinton, in my opinion, although far from perfect, is an excellent choice for president...which I think will be established during her first term.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

Ahhh...so as a Hillary Clinton supporter...I am "shameless" in your estimation.

Interesting!

I believe you fit the definition of shameless. This is debate Frank, prove me wrong.

I gave you plenty of opportunity to defend her lies, her corruption, her undistinguished career which spans the Watergate years right up until now. So you know she is a liar, you know she is corrupt, you know she may be indicted for what we all know in regards to her consciously violating national security law, you know she has no particular achievements that are not linked to her being the wife of a Democrat icon, that cheating [though being married to her, quite understandable] lying to the extent of perjury husband of hers.

Both she and he are national disgraces. He, at least, has achieved some things in his lifetime.

Definition according to Merriam Webster online Shameless : having no shame : insensible to disgrace

Shame : a painful feeling of humiliation or distress caused by the consciousness of wrong or foolish behavior.

You've obvioulsy quaffed down her kool-aide by the gallon. Did you expect nobody would notice?

 

[Frank Apisa]

I believe you fit the definition of shameless.

Perhaps you have mistaken me for someone who cares what you "believe."

This is debate Frank, prove me wrong.

I agree with you...so why would I try to prove you wrong?

This IS debate.

I gave you plenty of opportunity to defend her lies, her corruption, her undistinguished career which spans the Watergate years right up until now. So you know she is a liar, you know she is corrupt, you know she may be indicted for what we all know in regards to her consciously violating national security law, you know she has no particular achievements that are not linked to her being the wife of a Democrat icon, that cheating [though being married to her, quite understandable] lying to the extent of perjury husband of hers.

Both she and he are national disgraces. He, at least, has achieved some things in his lifetime.

Definition according to Merriam Webster online Shameless : having no shame : insensible to disgrace

Shame : a painful feeling of humiliation or distress caused by the consciousness of wrong or foolish behavior.

You've obvioulsy quaffed down her kool-aide by the gallon. Did you expect nobody would notice?

You are allowing your anger and absurdly funny hatred to short your circuits, Gaug.

Take it easy...or you are going to blow a gasket.

Hillary Clinton is not the monster you want to portray her as, but I doubt anyone will ever be able to cut through that silly hatred of yours...so only a fool would try.

I hope you gain some measure of control, though, before the beginning of her first term If you don't...your health may be negatively effected.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

I cannot wait to pull the lever over her name. She will be a fine president...and laughing at the haters will become a national pastime.

I am quite sure you cannot wait. I think those that backed Lenin and Mao also wanted their leader in power. They, however, were not in the American system... what you knowingly hope for is a travesty.

Myself, I cannot wait until they pull the handcuffs over her writsts [ I don't think they make the ones large enough to fit over her cankles ].

 

[Frank Apisa]

I am quite sure you cannot wait. I think those that backed Lenin and Mao also wanted their leader in power. They, however, were not in the American system... what you knowingly hope for is a travesty.

Myself, I cannot wait until they pull the handcuffs over her writsts [ I don't think they make the ones large enough to fit over her cankles ].

Can't wait to pull that lever.

I suspect there are MANY people who cannot wait to do the same.

She's going to be your president starting January 20th, 2017, Gaug...and I gotta wonder how you are going to handle that.

My guess would be: Poorly...very, very poorly.

 

[jpn]

Just like Kasich, Cruz and JEB! did right?

Those debates were playing to the red-meat-eating far-right rabid conservatives. Of course Trump did well. But how will Trump do before a mix of Americans, left, center, and right? It's already pretty obvious: the far right will love him, and everyone else will be repulsed.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

Perhaps you have mistaken me for someone who cares what you "believe."




I agree with you...so why would I try to prove you wrong?

This IS debate.




You are allowing your anger and absurdly funny hatred to short your circuits, Gaug.

Take it easy...or you are going to blow a gasket.

Hillary Clinton is not the monster you want to portray her as, but I doubt anyone will ever be able to cut through that silly hatred of yours...so only a fool would try.

I hope you gain some measure of control, though, before the beginning of her first term If you don't...your health may be negatively effected.

I am fully aware that liberals/progressives are congenitally lacking in shame, proven time and time again. So, we know you do not care, if you cared you certainly wouldn't be voting for Clinton and at the same time trying to make a big deal about the faults of Trump, yano?

But Jesus man, do you have a true bone in your body, do you have any strength in your not so well thought out convictions? This is debate, so you feel you don't have to do anything but assert your unsupportable opinions and then what, roll your eyes, toss a few pfffttts in the mix, shrug your shoulders? That is supposed to settle matters, that is what YOU call debate?

You cannot pawn off my assertions as simple hatred. You cannot defend against my assertions so you try to make it about me. That, pal, is not debate... that is plain old disingenuous piled high horse dumplings you are trying to feed the rest of us.

We aren't buying nor eating it.

Oh, and by the way, I am not a fellow member of your new age yoga class, so stop with the false nurturing and concern over my health. I live in the mountains of Panama, walk up and down the mountains, swim in the cool clean mountain streams. You need to worry about judgement and a little more about our country, eh?

 

[jpn]

As I have always said. This election has come down to purely angry voters vs happy voters. If you are generally happy with the way things are you will vote for Clinton. I am not voting for her for other various reasons and concerns with how she deals with technology issues, but I vote on very specific issues that are not necessarily hot ticket topics. If you are angry and pissed off at the government or your life or whatever, you will vote for Trump.

The question is, if you're angry and pissed off at the government, why?
Crime is down. Teen pregnancy is down. Student test scores are up. Graduation rates are up. Illicit drug dependence is down (yes, really) and it's way down among teenagers. The growth rate of health care is on a multi-decade downward trend. The Great Recession did immense damage, but we've been recovering nicely for several years: growth is steady; unemployment is below 5 percent; inflation is below 2 percent; job openings are rising; and household debt, which has been trending downward for nearly a decade, is at its lowest point since 1980.

What are the negative trends? Well, wages are basically flat for the bottom 80 percent or so. Is that government or is that private industry not sharing their profits with their workforce?

"GOP anger" is mostly a bunch of people who lead frustrating lives and want to blame someone. Mix in some racism. It's nothing new. What's new is that Trump is exploiting it in uncivil and disgusting ways.

 

[upsideguy]

Are you seriously opining the fact of whether Republicans are still a major party? Don't you worry about credibilty at all? No, I guess as a progressive, one is not constricted by such things as, pffffttt, reality, eh? Not a necessity in the progressive's toolbox.

So, lets go over this nice and slow so that it may, with luck, sink in.

1. Majorities in both national Congressional bodies, House and Senate... are we clear there [meaning, for those who cannot keep up, the REPUBLICANS ]?

2. 31 out of 50 governorships [meaning, for those who cannot keep up, the REPUBLICANS ] clear?

3. Control of 68 out of 98 partisan state legislatures [meaning, for those who cannot keep up, the REPUBLICANS ]clear?

4. 23 states they currently hold the governorship AND both houses of the legislature (24 if Sean Parnell wins re-election in Alaska)[meaning, for those who cannot keep up, the REPUBLICANS ], while Democrats have that level of control in only seven. clear?

Guess the real Question is, after Trump wins and we retain both houses and pick up even more governorships and state legislatures, will the Democrat party still actually be considered a major political party? clear?

Another Question: Owls, being predatory fowl, probably are very accustomed to eating crow, eh?

I know all of that. You are not "enlightening" me. The Republican party is kind of like a franchise, only as good as your local office.

As a national party, however, they are terribly weak, at the moment (things will one day be better). Until they read and embrace their own self-analysis, they will remain so.

GOP.com: Growth and Opportunity Project

Peddling hate and fear is not the ticket to long-term success, especially when the target of hate includes American citizens... FrankenTrump is not helping the brand.



But, like a drunk that has hit rock bottom, perhaps the Republican party will finally wake up after Trump and seek the help it needs.

Until such time, however, they will not win the White House, they will lose the Senate and likely lose the popular vote for the House (but retain control because of the most excellent gerrymandering of 2011)....and, only if they fix the national message, will they have hope that their local franchisee's can continue to prosper.