Are there Russian trolls on this political message board?

[Novichok]

Your hurt feelings over my accurate assertion mean nothing.

You want debate, post something other than empty hyperbolic rants.

If you want to debate, post a rebutal, not a professorial evaluation. BTW, "fact free" needs a hyphen.

 

[independentusa]

Why is that all the smart people identify as conservatives, and all the dumb crap comes from the leftists and the RINOs.

DO you really want to go there. Let us just look at the two presidents and see who is smarter, Obama or Trump. Obama was magna Cum laude at Harvard and took his own tests to get in. trump has someone else take his tests to get into Wharton and his professor said he ws the dumbest student he ever had. When I look at most of the pictures of those who support Trump my first though that comes to mind is an old saying from when i lived in the South in my youth, Trailer Trash. You can not be smart and vote for Trump.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

If you want to debate, post a rebutal, not a professorial evaluation.

Debate your empty hyperbolic rants? No thanks.

BTW, "fact free" needs a hyphen.

 

[Drawdown]

It is kind and generous of you to assume the role of world spokesman. Which bit of it do you currently inhabit?

The planet earth. You?

 

[Drawdown]

Well, I think the real winner would be Putin since he wants Trump to win.

He wants you to think he wants Trump to win now that he knows that all he has to do is give Hunter Biden a no-show job at his gas company and Joe will bend over backwards for him.

 

[TomFitz]

Before you look for one under your bed, ask yourself this question: why would Putin want Trump to be president again rather than somebody like Joe? I mean a weak, get-along kind of grandpa with another reset button instead of a mean sob who imposed sanctions and actually killed some Russians in Syria.

Give me the top three reasons, please.

You’re doing a good imitation!

Putin owns Trump, and has owned him for over a decade. The Russians never really thought of him as a political figure. Only as a useful idiot helping to launder their money.

They had started their right wing trolling operation in 2012 or 2013. It was first reported on in the Times about a year later.

It was. obvious on forums like this, that Russian bots had invaded the right wing blog and social media world. The Kremlin line was everywhere on forums like this, and boosted and loved by the Trumpster crowd. After all, ignorance and bigotry exist in a lot of places and it’s easy to spot and supercharge the memes.

They tried out a social media manipulation campaign on a more ambitious scale through a front called Cambridge Analytica. It used a phoney FB survey to capture the contact information and friends of right wingers on social media, and used it to promote their American client, Ted Cruz.

After Cruz barely scraped past Trump in Iowa, they installed thier man (Manafort) as Trump campaign manager and then switched their alliegance to Trump.


Trump didn’t impose sanctions.

Obama did. (and Mike Flynn told the Russian Ambassador andFSB agent) that Trump would get rid of them.

But Flynn got caught, and. the Trump scheme to end sanctions ended with it.

But the Trump Administration has only half heartedly enforced those sanctions.

And, when Oleg Deripashka wanted to collect the $11 million that Manafort owed him right after his conviction, the Trump Administration conveniently (and unilaterally) decided to end specific sanctions against Deripashka’s aluminum company. When McConnell blocked the effort to thwart Trump’s unconstitutional act, Deripashka paid off by promising a plant in Kentucky.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Either two using multiple accounts or maybe four using single accounts.

I just think the Russkie troll factories are aiming for yields in the tens of thousands and millions, not a few hundred on a forum.
But I wouldn't be surprised if maybe ONE still pops in from time to time because they think they might be able to manipulate a few whom they regard as potential "influencers" just for some side benefit.
But still, in the larger picture, a forum like this would still be small potatoes, even though this may be one of the larger forums of its kind over here.

 

[jnug]

I just think the Russkie troll factories are aiming for yields in the tens of thousands and millions, not a few hundred on a forum.
But I wouldn't be surprised if maybe ONE still pops in from time to time because they think they might be able to manipulate a few whom they regard as potential "influencers" just for some side benefit.
But still, in the larger picture, a forum like this would still be small potatoes, even though this may be one of the larger forums of its kind over here.

The Russian maligned election interference effort is already a project on a shoestring budget. Having a couple of keyboard jockeys post here would not even appear as a separate line item in the budget, even a shoestring budget. I would suggest they would more likely test talking points here to see if they fly or if they go down in the flames. If they don't go down in the flames then use them more broadly.

As poorly educated Americans are now of the workings of their own system of governance and their own politics some of the posts we see here look painfully like a Foreigner's view. Worse, some of them look painfully like posts from somebody that has grown used to and grown up with an authoritarian perspective. Some of the perspectives we see on our Constitution posted here are simply to weird to come from an American even one not well versed in the Constitution.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

The Russian maligned election interference effort is already a project on a shoestring budget. Having a couple of keyboard jockeys post here would not even appear as a separate line item in the budget, even a shoestring budget. I would suggest they would more likely test talking points here to see if they fly or if they go down in the flames. If they don't go down in the flames then use them more broadly.

As poorly educated Americans are now of the workings of their own system of governance and their own politics some of the posts we see here look painfully like a Foreigner's view. Worse, some of them look painfully like posts from somebody that has grown used to and grown up with an authoritarian perspective. Some of the perspectives we see on our Constitution posted here are simply to weird to come from an American even one not well versed in the Constitution.

A test bed, eh?
Well thought out concept.
I wish I'd considered that possibility, because it's a very plausible explanation...that of using discussion forums as a test bed and proving ground.

 

[Novichok]

You’re doing a good imitation!
Putin owns Trump, and has owned him for over a decade.

I was just ready to respond. Then, I read that "owns" leftist crap and the desire left me. It might come back though when you define "owns" and submit proof. And an explanation why the fascists did not throw that revelation into the impeachment circus.

God knows that Putin "owning" Trump would be well documented and shown for all to see.

 

[NWRatCon]

It's a sad commentary when a "Russian troll" and a "Trump supporter" are indistinguishable and a "Russian asset" and "The President" is the same person.

 

[Novichok]

As a long term student of posts on DP (including some of your 70,000) I have concluded that it is possible to be both ignorant and a liar. It is not a dichotomy.

I can top that...

As a long term student of leftism, I have concluded that being highly educated and a total moron are not mutually exclusive.

BTW, I noticed that this forum does not include "leftist", only "liberal". Time for an update.

 

[Novichok]

It's a sad commentary when a "Russian troll" and a "Trump supporter" are indistinguishable and a "Russian asset" and "The President" is the same person.

OK, genius, are Russian trolls Trump supporters or the other way around? Which is the chicken?

Did you notice that Sanders and Lenin are indistinguishable? That makes millions of Americans to be first-class commies. In Russia, we call them useful idiots. Here - tools.

 

[beerftw]

Ahem. Depends on how one counts: These are the 10 biggest navies in the world (BI).
Then there are the types of navies: Blue water (global), brown water (littoral/riverine), or green water (regional). Ours is the largest blue water navy, capable of sustained operations anywhere in the world. Few countries have operations as robust as the US, but that doesn't mean green or brown water navies aren't a threat to US operations. North Korea has 70+ submarines (the most in the world) which, though largely obsolete, are still dangerous. Egypt has twice as many aircraft carriers (2) as Russia, China or India (1 each), although China has one in construction. The US has 20. Not surprisingly, Russia, China and North Korea are big on mine warfare vessels.

That is where things go stupid, for example russia does not need even one aircraft carrier, their force projection is by ground and air, their navy has one main purpose, and that is to defend russian waters which they do well, their secondary purpose is to protect naval commerce. In terms of a naval battle, america would lose a naval war if fought in the baltic or black sea, and russia would lose if fought anywhere outside those two areas, as their doctrine focuses on stopping naval threats, not projecting force, and force projection is something russia would have to redesign their navy from the ground up to do, which they will not because it serves one purpose and does that purpose well.


North korea would be a messy naval battle but they have more numbers than anything, what would make a naval battle hard against them would not even be their navy, it would be that their navy would be in proximity to their ground forces, meaning using numbers of missiles and other defenses as well as manpower as a strength.

China really does not have a capable navy yet, they are building but the problem is the chinese navy has no solid doctrine, if you look at major navies they have a doctrine to run their entire military, china is still in the infancy stage where they can build numbers but not old enough to know what they want to be when they grow up. China scares me the most as their naval future is unpredictable making our navies job of countering them tough as we do not know yet what we need to counter in the future.

 

[beerftw]

The 10 biggest navies in the world - Business Insider

And a quote from that source:

"China has grown — in terms of maritime power, maritime projection — more quickly than any country in the region. The growth has been incredible," Mike Fabey, author of "Crashback," a 2017 book about naval tensions between China and the US, told Business Insider earlier this year.

The irony of this is that the US is funding its own #1 enemy.

Well I think this is where the divide between americans dealing with russia and china comes to be. Were it me I would rather deal with the russians, they are more predictable, diplomatic and prone to keep their word, while the chinese are more prone to backstab their neighbors and allies.

But when it comes down to it, it really comes down to money, america has a crapton of factories there, and investments, and the chinese are investing heavily in america, while russia is not a heavy investor or purchaser. So when someone rails against china the media and govt officials go haywire because their money is tied to letting china do what they want when they want, while railing against russia hurts very few powerful americans as america investing in russia or vice versa has not been big even post cold war and even before sanctions.

 

[smallvoice]

Based on posting history and the unquestioning and religious loyalty to Trump in that he can do absolutely no wrong, I would wager that I know who the trolls are.

Anyone who self-identifies as a liberal, progressive, or Anti-Trumper is posting as a Russian troll would. Some "independents", too.

 

[smallvoice]

Are there Russian trolls on this political message board? Yes. Do you want the list?

Only their handler will have that list, so yes, let's see it.

 

[Novichok]

Only their handler will have that list, so yes, let's see it.

Good move.

Aside from that, what is wrong with being a Russian who is "trolling" for his country? Are the CIA operatives spying for the US as despicable as the Russian trolls?

A US citizen trolling for Russia is another matter. I am not sure if it is illegal, but it surely is immoral.

 

[redbeer]

Every time I see a OP on this message board that talks about voter fraud or that Biden is not mentally alert I wonder if it is from a Russian troll. I know that sounds crazy but our national intelligence services have highlighted those two issues as the ones being pushed by the Russian bots and trolls in this country. I have read that the Russians are on every political message board as well as Facebook and the other social media spreading as much misinformation as they can to both help Trump win and to make us doubt the outcome of the election. I kind of laugh as if trump wins, will anyone believe it was done honestly considering the Russian interference? I guess the Russians win as long as no one here believes in the winner.

Actually, it's from the crazy left and their "Orange Man Bad" disease syndrome. As seen here on multiple times per day, with the latest leftist, liberal nutcase starting a thread attempting to disparage our President. It is treasonous, imo. But, hey, it's the latest trend of todays politics.....disparage our President....this comes from Russia and their Operatives, to divide us....and it's working, thanks to the left, socialist democrats.

 

[Novichok]

Actually, it's from the crazy left and their "Orange Man Bad" disease syndrome. As seen here on multiple times per day, with the latest leftist, liberal nutcase starting a thread attempting to disparage our President. It is treasonous, imo. But, hey, it's the latest trend of todays politics.....disparage our President....this comes from Russia and their Operatives, to divide us....and it's working, thanks to the left, socialist democrats.

You were doing well until what I highlighted.

No, it does not come from Russia. Russia and Putin are very respectful of the US and Trump. Just go to rt.com and see the op-eds. Personally, I trust rt.com more than I do NYT or CNN. No, I am not Russian.

It comes from the swamp who wants conflicts to justify NATO and our presence in the EU and, as you wrote, from the left.

To the leftists, a united "America" with a prosperous middle class is as bad as a prosperous black community. With both in place, they would lose a reason to get up in the morning. That is why they are doing their damnest to destroy the middle class.

Russia is a dying nation of 140 million and a laughable GDP - with the average life span of 59 years for men who are drinking themselves to death. Zero threat to the US. Unlike China.

 

[independentusa]

Anyone who self-identifies as a liberal, progressive, or Anti-Trumper is posting as a Russian troll would. Some "independents", too.

Sorry, but the Russian trolls want to have Trump reelected. Why would Dems want to write messages to help Trump. I do wonder about people on this board that always support Trump no matter what and seem to be always on the board. Most even the most fervent Trump followers once in a while write something negative. Have you evere written something negative about trump on this board?, just asking?

 

[independentusa]

You were doing well until what I highlighted.

No, it does not come from Russia. Russia and Putin are very respectful of the US and Trump. Just go to rt.com and see the op-eds. Personally, I trust rt.com more than I do NYT or CNN. No, I am not Russian.

It comes from the swamp who wants conflicts to justify NATO and our presence in the EU and, as you wrote, from the left.

To the leftists, a united "America" with a prosperous middle class is as bad as a prosperous black community. With both in place, they would lose a reason to get up in the morning. That is why they are doing their damnest to destroy the middle class.

Russia is a dying nation of 140 million and a laughable GDP - with the average life span of 59 years for men who are drinking themselves to death. Zero threat to the US. Unlike China.

All I have to say is, YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING. Pitiful