Are the new twentysomething college grads in trouble because of a bad economy?

[presluc]

Well no. It wasn't then and it isn't now.


All wars are messes. If they weren't there would not have been a war.



What would the world look like today if Iraq had kept Kuwait and seized the oilfields in Saudi Arabia?


Hussein did bad things to the people who brought him bad news along with their families. But believe as you will. It no longer matters. Iraq is once again free and the Iraqi's can determine their future.


There is a difference between a professional military force and draftees. You just have to live with it.


Assassination attempts on heads of state and former heads of state tend to be acts of war. It is a tough word out there.


Maybe you need to determine where the jobs are that you are qualified to do and go there.



LOL

Well the last I looked the biggest country in Asia is China, last I heard China is a Communist country.
Which America owes money to.

The Viet Nam war was unecessary.

Didn't say anything about the first Iraq war under Bush1 said I had a problem with the pre-invasion of the second Iraq war under Bush 2

Yeah but what of the soldiers that didn't come back from Iraq, ans what of the ones that will to a bad economy high unemployment,

There is a differance the National guard aka backdoor draft.

How many years later was that???
You're not going to pull the old "fight them over there so you won't have to fight them here routine" are ya.

It is not me I'm concerned about, I'm a survivor from the bottom to the top been there landied in the midle well lower middle it's called today. .

It is the twentysomethings the College grads that I am concerned about remember the OP.

Like it or not these young people will run this country one day.
How they run it depends on the experience they get and right now in America it doesn't look to good.eace

 

[presluc]

Yes. all fossil fuels. We have so much we cannot possibly run out in my lifetime or your lifetime.
It is not a matter of math. It is a matter of someone looking for it and finding it. Free markets do that.

We have listened to prophets of scarcity for 50 years. They have always been wrong. It is a shame we cannot bury them up to their necks and stone them to death when their prophecies fail. But I guess we have moved beyond that now.

So what you're saying basicly is I'm here to get what I can in my lifetime and screw the future geneations of Americans.
You say the same that all rich and most right wing say.
I got mine that's all I care about why should I care about the future of America.
After all what has America done for you or any other greedy rich fat right wingers.

Maybe that's you're philosophy but it ain't mine.
I love my country and I want it to keep going after I am dead.

I am no twentysomething or no College grad, I have nothing to gain if these young college grads and young people coming into the workplace have jobs or not .
All the same I will not back down from my previous post.
IF AMERICA IS TO SURVIVE AS A NATION IT IS IMPERIATIVE THAT THESE YOUNG COLLEGE GRADS AND YOUNG PEOPLE HAVE OPPURTUNITIES TO MAKE THE PROGRESS AND AND WELL BEING OF AMERICA AND IT'S PEOPLE..eace

 

[Mach]

I got mine that's all I care about why should I care about the future of America.
After all what has America done for you or any other greedy rich fat right wingers.

I personally don't know anyone that I consider wealthy, that did not by virtue of their behavior over the years:

1. Create enormous wealth for a great many people other than themselves

2. Provide jobs, mentoring, and otherwise raising those around them professionally and in terms of work ethic, etc.

3. Are not involved with family, mentoring, charities, freely spending that money in their community, and otherwise behave similarly to what I think everyone would assume a hard working, well grounded individual would.

4. Work harder and smarter than the norm, over a long period of time.

Enough with the witch burning zeal already. You may want to look at someone who simply worked a 9-5 and how in contrast they pulled up those around them. Maybe some watercooler jokes and venting about the boss over a beer? Not so fun in a mirror is it.

Greedy as their defining behavior? Unlikely.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

I personally don't know anyone that I consider wealthy, that did not by virtue of their behavior over the years:
1. Create enormous wealth for a great many people other than themselves
2. Provide jobs, mentoring, and otherwise raising those around them professionally and in terms of work ethic, etc.
3. Are not involved with family, mentoring, charities, freely spending that money in their community, and otherwise behave similarly to what I think everyone would assume a hard working, well grounded individual would.
4. Work harder and smarter than the norm, over a long period of time.
Enough with the witch burning zeal already. You may want to look at someone who simply worked a 9-5 and how in contrast they pulled up those around them. Maybe some watercooler jokes and venting about the boss over a beer? Not so fun in a mirror is it.

Awesome that they had the opportunity to do so and took advantage of those opportunities.

 

[Misterveritis]

So you disagree that there comes a point when it requires more energy to extract a resource than the extraction process avails. Is this what you're saying? Leave profit and demand alone for a moment and think EROEI.

Once EROEI is negative, we will have "moved on" in a sense, but electricity generated from alternative energies couldn't possibly support our global economic infrastructure or fertilize, harvest and ship enough food to feed 8 billion people.

Yes. I disagree. If we need something someone somewhere will figure out how to get it and sell it for a profit.

 

[Misterveritis]

Well the last I looked the biggest country in Asia is China, last I heard China is a Communist country.
Which America owes money to.

There are many other countries in Asia. Most of them are not Communist.

The Viet Nam war was unecessary.

Yes. You mentioned that. I believe it may have done a great deal of good.

Didn't say anything about the first Iraq war under Bush1 said I had a problem with the pre-invasion of the second Iraq war under Bush 2

I asked you to explain this cryptic statement. You did not. Why not?

Yeah but what of the soldiers that didn't come back from Iraq, ans what of the ones that will to a bad economy high unemployment,

Bad things happen to good, even great people, during any war. Those who serve are a professional force. They go where they are told and fight where they go.
If you want a better economy you have to be willing to give up a lot of socialism that has been foisted upon this nation. That is not a result of war. It is a result of politicians.

. . .
It is the twentysomethings the College grads that I am concerned about remember the OP.[/quote]
What does you concern tell you you must do?

Like it or not these young people will run this country one day.
How they run it depends on the experience they get and right now in America it doesn't look to good.eace

There will always be winners and losers. Only rarely does a real loser get into the white house. So after the next election things will improve.

 

[Misterveritis]

So what you're saying basicly is I'm here to get what I can in my lifetime and screw the future geneations of Americans.
You say the same that all rich and most right wing say.
I got mine that's all I care about why should I care about the future of America.
After all what has America done for you or any other greedy rich fat right wingers.

There is much hate in you. Let it go.

Maybe that's you're philosophy but it ain't mine.
I love my country and I want it to keep going after I am dead.

Maybe you project your anger about things you do not understand upon others.
Loving your country is fine.

I am no twentysomething or no College grad, I have nothing to gain if these young college grads and young people coming into the workplace have jobs or not .
All the same I will not back down from my previous post.
IF AMERICA IS TO SURVIVE AS A NATION IT IS IMPERIATIVE THAT THESE YOUNG COLLEGE GRADS AND YOUNG PEOPLE HAVE OPPURTUNITIES TO MAKE THE PROGRESS AND AND WELL BEING OF AMERICA AND IT'S PEOPLE..eace

Well, okay. If I understand you that means socialism.
If you understood me you would recognize that from my perspective the way to reach your goal is by limiting government to only those roles enumerated in the US Constitution.

 

[presluc]

I love the title of this post. It explicitly states the exact number of this troubled age. The lost generation you may have it. We merely want what we were promised growing up and it has been stripped away. What disgust me the most is the title "twentysomething" implying the OP doesn't even care about the "twentysomething" because he couldn't take the time to look up the number to support the data.

I posted the OP on this thread if you think I don't care about the next generation or twentysomething try reading my post on this thread.eace

 

[Jryan]

I posted the OP on this thread if you think I don't care about the next generation or twentysomething try reading my post on this thread.eace

Sorry, I must've misread your post. :3oops:

 

[presluc]

I personally don't know anyone that I consider wealthy, that did not by virtue of their behavior over the years:

1. Create enormous wealth for a great many people other than themselves

2. Provide jobs, mentoring, and otherwise raising those around them professionally and in terms of work ethic, etc.

3. Are not involved with family, mentoring, charities, freely spending that money in their community, and otherwise behave similarly to what I think everyone would assume a hard working, well grounded individual would.

4. Work harder and smarter than the norm, over a long period of time.

Enough with the witch burning zeal already. You may want to look at someone who simply worked a 9-5 and how in contrast they pulled up those around them. Maybe some watercooler jokes and venting about the boss over a beer? Not so fun in a mirror is it.

Greedy as their defining behavior? Unlikely.

Check your stats again.
Try checking # 4 for example it is most difficult to work harder and smarter at a job in Tia wan, China, the Philipines or any other 3rd world country with cheap foriegn labor.

Then there's #1 create enormous wealth for a great many people other than themselves.
A great many, that would be about 10% of America not a great many in my book.

#2 PROVIDE JOBS? LOL,LOL,LOL

#3 WELL FIRST OF ALL IT IS A WELL KNOWN FACT THAT POOR PEOPLE GIVE MORE TO CHARITIES % WISE THAN ANY RICH PERSON.
Then there's that fact about "free spending" you put in there.
If this is true why are we debating the rich can use that "free spending to create more jobs in America that is if the rich are as you say "free spending"

If not oh well, you made a nice try, next time use something besides the right wing playbook.eace

 

[presluc]

Sorry, I must've misread your post. :3oops:

No problem, but for the record although I've repeated this twice on this thread.

It is my opinion that for America to survive it is imperative that young people and young College grads be given the opputunity to work for themselves and the progress and well being of America and it's people for future generations.eace

 

[Mach]

Check your stats again.
Try checking # 4 for example it is most difficult to work harder and smarter at a job in Tia wan, China, the Philipines or any other 3rd world country with cheap foriegn labor.

Smarter means not going head to head with foreign labor. Wisdom can be slippery for some I realize.

Then there's #1 create enormous wealth for a great many people other than themselves.
A great many, that would be about 10% of America not a great many in my book.

You missed the point.

Most are professionals, business owners, fianciers. All of which entail some combination of hiring other well paid executives, investors, returning money to shareholders, etc., etc. You can't make big money in the U.S. by yourself, it's just that some people are annoyed that even though they don't play they game well, they don't get picked during the line up.

#2 PROVIDE JOBS? LOL,LOL,LOL

90% of people are employed and you disagree? Funny indeed.

#3 WELL FIRST OF ALL IT IS A WELL KNOWN FACT THAT POOR PEOPLE GIVE MORE TO CHARITIES % WISE THAN ANY RICH PERSON.
Then there's that fact about "free spending" you put in there.
If this is true why are we debating the rich can use that "free spending to create more jobs in America that is if the rich are as you say "free spending"

Let's get this straight, the things I listed in #3 you think are NOT indiciative of everyday good people, or you disagree that most high income people participate in these things? Because either way you know you're wrong.

Please, bashing people based on income is juvenille, and serves no purpose other than to do the whole polarization political thing. We do that enough on a national stage with politics, do we have to do it on DP as well? People with high incomes are just like everyone else in nearly every important way. They are our sisters and brothers, parents and aunts, it's just people good lord.

 

[presluc]

There is much hate in you. Let it go.


Maybe you project your anger about things you do not understand upon others.
Loving your country is fine.


Well, okay. If I understand you that means socialism.
If you understood me you would recognize that from my perspective the way to reach your goal is by limiting government to only those roles enumerated in the US Constitution.

To the rich, rich corporations , those that support them including you.
I have no hatred, it is not me you should be concerned about, it is the protestors in the streets today they are peacefull, tomorrow WELL?
Check your history the Watts riot, the L.A. RIOTS, SEATTLE all started as peacefull demonstrations.

I'm not the only one out here that's angry about the policies of the rich and corporate and big business.
What's not to understand, corporations want American people to buy their products from them, but don't consider them good enough to hire them to work for them.

Giving oppurtunities to young Americans coming into the workplace so they can work their way up to being rich themselves in a Capitalist society.

How is that anything like socialism or Communism?

I understand your prespective clearly you got yours what do you care about the next generation you must support the rich and the right wing must support the rich. time willget the best of you your time will end before 3 generations .
Your old policies will fall the greedy rich will be exposed for what they are and will lose favor with the people of America all the people

I support the young people and young grads that need jobs these young people are just starting most will remember the policies of the generation as it is but not in good favor.eace

 

[Mach]

It is my opinion that for America to survive it is imperative that young people and young College grads be given the opputunity to work for themselves

Check. They have that already, at one of the lowest entry thresholds and in the market of the prosperous country in the world. You feel better now?

 

[Misterveritis]

#3 WELL FIRST OF ALL IT IS A WELL KNOWN FACT THAT POOR PEOPLE GIVE MORE TO CHARITIES % WISE THAN ANY RICH PERSON.

It cannot be that well known. It is established that conservatives/the religious give more and more freely than liberals. I think the difference is that we give freely of our own time and our own money. Liberals believe charity is compelling the other guy to give. So it is in politics. I believe it carries over into the private realm as well.

Who Gives and Who Doesn't? - ABC News

 

[oldreliable67]

Interesting comments from a column by Raghuram Rajan, a former chief economist of the IMF, currently Professor of Finance at the University of Chicago's Booth School of Business:

Close examination suggests that the single biggest difference between those at or above the top tenth percentile of the income distribution and those below the 50th percentile is that the former have a degree or two while the latter, typically, do not. Technological change and global competition have made it impossible for American workers to get good jobs without strong skills. As Harvard professors Claudia Golden and Larry Katz put it, in the race between technology and education, education is falling behind.

To acknowledge the fact that the broken educational and skills-building system is responsible for much of the growing inequality that ordinary people experience would, however, detract from the larger populist agenda of rallying the masses against the very rich. It has the inconvenient implication that the poor have a role in pulling themselves out of the morass. There are no easy and quick fixes to education – every US president since Gerald Ford in the mid-1970’s has called for educational reforms, with little effect. In contrast, blaming the undeserving 1% offers a redistributive policy agenda with immediate effects.

Certainly, not every degree is a passport to a job. Those with degrees from from lower-quality programs are finding it particularly hard to get a job just now, because they are competing with experienced workers who are also jobless. Nevertheless, the unemployment rate for those with degrees is one-third the unemployment rate for those without a high school diploma.

 

[presluc]

Smarter means not going head to head with foreign labor. Wisdom can be slippery for some I realize.


You missed the point.

Most are professionals, business owners, fianciers. All of which entail some combination of hiring other well paid executives,
investors, returning money to shareholders, etc., etc. You can't make big money in the U.S. by yourself, it's just that some people are annoyed that even though they don't play they game well, they don't get picked during the line up.


90% of people are employed and you disagree? Funny indeed.


Let's get this straight, the things I listed in #3 you think are NOT indiciative of everyday good people, or you disagree that most high income people participate in these things? Because either way you know you're wrong.

Please, bashing people based on income is juvenille, and serves no purpose other than to do the whole polarization political thing. We do that enough on a national stage with politics, do we have to do it on DP as well? People with high incomes are just like everyone else in nearly every important way. They are our sisters and brothers, parents and aunts, it's just people good lord.

" A slppery slope" a phrase often used by the right wing.
You want a slippery slope, taking jobs away from the people you depend on to buy your products that's a slippery slope.
Outsourceing billions of tax revenue and then fighting tax increases. that's a slippery slope.
Telling the young College grads sorry but I can hire someone overses to do you job cheaper that is a most slippery slope.

Don't think I missed the point investors and the rest are run by corporations run on sales from consumers, consumers are made from pople having jobs.
Less jobs less consumers less tax revenue not making a point just doing math , unfotunately all of this particular math is subtraction, not addition.

Where are you getting your %'s from cause it sure as Hell ain't Main street.U.S.A.

IF YOU CONSIDER 10% OF AMERICA GOOD PEOPLE WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER THE REST?

Have not the unemployed and the poor and working poor been bashed by the right wing, big business and the rich?
Or have you forgoten such post as these.
TOO LAZY
TOOK THE WRONG CLASSES IN COLLEGE
LIVING BEYOND THEIR MEANS
ASKING TOO MUCH
EXPECTING HANDOUTS
College grads taking the wrong classes
Middle class spending too much
Each of these have came from some right wing or somebody supporting the right wing.
Need I go on

Before the rich and the right wing flunkies start bashing other classes next time they should be prepared to get bashed wear a slicker if you want to sling mud .

For indeed it could become a slippery slope.eace

 

[presluc]

It cannot be that well known. It is established that conservatives/the religious give more and more freely than liberals. I think the difference is that we give freely of our own time and our own money. Liberals believe charity is compelling the other guy to give. So it is in politics. I believe it carries over into the private realm as well.

Who Gives and Who Doesn't? - ABC News

First of all where does it say all religous people are conservatives?
Didn't get that memo.

Second of all Liberals believe that charity is compelling the other guy to give???
So what do conservatives believe?
Give more to the rich and wait for scraps?

Let's ask when simple question .
What is charity and who needs it.
I'm no millionare but I don't need a tax cut, I don't need a grant from the government, I don't need special treatment from the government to award me a no bid contract, and I damn sure don't need the government to bail me out of my financial difficulties..

I'm no rich CEO that screws up a company financialy , and then when the company gets bailout money from the government stand by and wait for a bonus.
A working man screws up on the job out here he gets fired not a bonus.eace

 

[Misterveritis]

First of all where does it say all religous people are conservatives?
Didn't get that memo.

Not all are. But that is the way to bet.

Second of all Liberals believe that charity is compelling the other guy to give???

We agree.

So what do conservatives believe?

We seem to believe that when we give it should be our wealth and our time. We do not try to force others to give against their will to support our causes.

 

[presluc]

Interesting comments from a column by Raghuram Rajan, a former chief economist of the IMF, currently Professor of Finance at the University of Chicago's Booth School of Business:



Certainly, not every degree is a passport to a job. Those with degrees from from lower-quality programs are finding it particularly hard to get a job just now, because they are competing with experienced workers who are also jobless. Nevertheless, the unemployment rate for those with degrees is one-third the unemployment rate for those without a high school diploma.

I've heard this before about the top 10% that control the wealth have degrees while the rest do not.

That's a fair anology, just one question that never seems to be ask .

This degree that the top 10% have; is there a chance it started with their ansesters working and saving to put them through college or maybe some in their past before them may have worked their way through College to get a degree so the next generation and the next until they got where they are today??

The top 10% of today should look back at history at their ansestors working in America in the past to get them where they are today. They looked toward the future, today these top 10% are stuck counting their money in the present.

No one starts on top the only way to get there is hard work the only way to have hard work is to have jobs to work at.eace

 

[presluc]

Not all are. But that is the way to bet.


We agree.


We seem to believe that when we give it should be our wealth and our time. We do not try to force others to give against their will to support our causes.

Don't think so the division between church and state is law not the way to bet.

We don't not try to force others against their will to support our causes. your words right?

I don't recall any negoiations over certain taxpayer money that was given to private organizations supported by the right wing as well as some of the left.
I don't recall the free trade policy put up before a public vote. which the right wing support.
I don't recall the taxpayers cheering when oil companies got a record breaking profit year and then ask the government for millions more for "RESERCH"
So don't give me that we don't force people to support our cause BS, maybe the politicians of D.C. are afraid of rich and rich corporations and big business, but I don't rattle so easy.

The thing I don't understand is the rich rich corporations and big business have government in their pocket they pull the strings if they get in trouble financialy they just cry bailout and the government comes running so why is the right trying to have a smaller governmenteace

 

[Misterveritis]

Don't think so the division between church and state is law not the way to bet.

We don't not try to force others against their will to support our causes. your words right?

I don't recall any negoiations over certain taxpayer money that was given to private organizations supported by the right wing as well as some of the left.
I don't recall the free trade policy put up before a public vote. which the right wing support.
I don't recall the taxpayers cheering when oil companies got a record breaking profit year and then ask the government for millions more for "RESERCH"
So don't give me that we don't force people to support our cause BS, maybe the politicians of D.C. are afraid of rich and rich corporations and big business, but I don't rattle so easy.

The thing I don't understand is the rich rich corporations and big business have government in their pocket they pull the strings if they get in trouble financialy they just cry bailout and the government comes running so why is the right trying to have a smaller governmenteace

I don't know. Maybe it is your writing style or possibly it is that you do not quote very well. Much of your writing is incomprehensible. Sometimes I suspect you have something valid you are trying to say but it fails to come across. You are just too hard to follow.

Good luck to you.

 

[oldreliable67]

The thing I don't understand is the rich rich corporations and big business have government in their pocket they pull the strings if they get in trouble financialy they just cry bailout and the government comes running

You continually espouse this in every thread in which you participate. It always sounds as if you are asserting that every big corporation is "rich" and every big corporation got bailed out. Is that what you mean to say?

 

[washunut]

You continually espouse this in every thread in which you participate. It always sounds as if you are asserting that every big corporation is "rich" and every big corporation got bailed out. Is that what you mean to say?

If you are proven correct on what he means perhaps you can get a job as a translator at the U.N.

 

[oldreliable67]

I don't recall the taxpayers cheering when oil companies got a record breaking profit year and then ask the government for millions more for "RESERCH"

What exactly are you talking about? You've said this time and again without explaining yourself. Please be a little more specific so the rest of us will know to what you are referring?