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Are Romney's undisclosed taxes equally relavant to Obama's college records?

Are Ronmey's undisclosed tax returns equal in importance to Obama's college records?

  • Yes. Obama's college records are of equal value to Romney's tax returns

    Votes: 15 22.4%

  • No. Its just the best political come back the GOP can come up with under the circumstances

    Votes: 29 43.3%

  • Neither tax or college records matter in the election.

    Votes: 17 25.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 6 9.0%
  • Total voters
    67

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There has been much in the news lately about Mitt Romney's tax returns that he won't release. Many of his supporters claim its unnecessary, irrelevant and then cite President Obama's undisclosed college records as presumably an equal example of their opposition not being completely transparent while holding Romney to a double standard. I'm probably the most objective person I know on political matters if I must say so myself. I think both Obama and Romney have something to hide. However, I don't think Obama's college records are anywhere near as relevant a campaign issue as Mitt Romney's taxes for a variety of reasons. My question is do you think President Obama's college transcripts are equally relevant and an important factor to consider in the 2012 election as Mitt Romney's undisclosed tax returns?
 
Not really. I'd be more interested in the President's transcripts than Romney's taxes. Fact is Romney has made a lot of money over the years and if Harry Reid's assertations were true the IRS would have been all over him years ago. I think it's cheap political gaming. Besides, his taxes are likely beyond most of our comprehension in their complexity and would no doubt be interpretted in as many ways as there are agendas to fill. To turn the records over would only lead to further distraction from the truly important issues.
 
Neither are that important. They are both simply issues to get away from the real issues.
 
Mitt Romney wants to lead America and its 311 million people. As such I want to find out if he truly is an American patriot who places the nation and its people first. His tax returns will tell us about the decisions he has made over the last decade and what his priorities were and are in this regard.

His returns are indeed a matter of national importance and should and are a crucial issue in this election.
 
WHile there are some similarities, the differences far outwiegh the similarities. However, the one similarity that is most important is that there is no obligation to release either.
 

What of the tax returns of the mighty and annointed Reid and Pelosi? Is it not odd that they may sit back and demand things that they themselves would never do?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
What of the tax returns of the mighty and annointed Reid and Pelosi? Is it not odd that they may sit back and demand things that they themselves would never do?
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Are they running for president?
 

I hate to sound partisan, but I will nonetheless:

First, if it is true that a candidate's tax returns are "a matter of national importance," then, by all means, make that a law...for every single person running for national office. Maybe that's one way we can broom-clean Congress. Ha!

Second, people with Romney's kind of wealth don't generally cheat on taxes. They know the consequences. Their taxes are prepared by professionals whose licenses and professional reputations are on the line.

Third, all the left wants to be able to do is berate Romney for our tax code. He didn't vote for it. He had nothing to do with its implementation. It's not his "fault" if he didn't pay enough taxes to suit the American people.

Obama's college transcripts. Why is there such a big deal about those? Well, I don't know. Ask him. But I suspect it would show one or both of the following: that he lied on his college application; that the courses he took in college have little to do with democracy as we know it and everything to do with socialism.

Now. Which do you think the American people have a right to know??
 
ttwtt78640 said:
What of the tax returns of the mighty and annointed Reid and Pelosi? Is it not odd that they may sit back and demand things that they themselves would never do?
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When they run for president and want my vote I will insist the same thing of them.
 
from Maggie


First, if it is true that a candidate's tax returns are "a matter of national importance," then, by all means, make that a law...for every single person running for national office. Maybe that's one way we can broom-clean Congress. Ha!
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That would be fine by me. However , that does nothing to make this current issue go away nor should it.

Second, people with Romney's kind of wealth don't generally cheat on taxes. They know the consequences. Their taxes are prepared by professionals whose licenses and professional reputations are on the line.
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Who is accusing Mitt Romney of tax fraud? Certainly not I. I simply want to see if he puts America and its people first like a true patriot should.

Third, all the left wants to be able to do is berate Romney for our tax code. He didn't vote for it. He had nothing to do with its implementation. It's not his "fault" if he didn't pay enough taxes to suit the American people.
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I rather doubt that Mittens was without any influence over the issue of taxation during his lifetime. But lets pretend you are correct just the same: so what? I simply want to see if he placed America and its people first or was his priority in some other area?


Nothing that could appear on his college transcript changes what he has done in his first four years as President or what Romney would do in his first four years as President. For me, those are the issues that count. Just as you suspect what the left wants - allow me to suspect why the right beats this issue to death: they want to use it as a club against affirmative action.

Now. Which do you think the American people have a right to know??
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Obama has released his tax info - Romney should release his also.
 
haymarket said:
When they run for president and want my vote I will insist the same thing of them.
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you have already stated hundreds of times you are voting for Obama so your demands are rather specious
 
TurtleDude said:
you have already stated hundreds of times you are voting for Obama so your demands are rather specious
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That does not even make sense. My demands!?!?!?!? What demands am I making? All I am doing is putting forth a simply proposition - the person who leads the nation of the United States of America should be a true patriot who loves the nation and its 311 million people. They should put America as the highest priority. Has Romney done that for the last decade in his own decision making? Or has he adopted some other system of priorities which place America and its people down the list much lower as no real patriot would do?

Only his tax returns will tell us that.

I find it interesting that when this subject came up the marching orders for the Romney sycophants were issued by radio personality Rush Limbaugh who seems to be the first - or at least the most infamous - to forward the idea that if you are not voting for Mittens then shut up and you have no right to discuss the issue. A tactic that I would have expected of the far right with their fascistic inclinations to thwart speech and open discussion. And far too many here have dutifully followed Limbaugh and his tactics.
 
If this was a multichoice poll I would have picked both 'Yes. Obama's college records are of equal value to Romney's tax returns' and 'Neither tax or college records matter in the election.' Because they are of equal value but at the same time those things are irrelevant.One is from the die hard foaming at the mouth anti-Obama birther-tard crowd and the other is from the die hard foaming at the mouth anti-Romney green with envy crowd.
 
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Sadly enough, they do matter in the election. Not due to any substantive value, but because we have people in the electorate that are dumb enough to believe that these two things should be an issue.
 
megaprogman said:
Sadly enough, they do matter in the election. Not due to any substantive value, but because we have people in the electorate that are dumb enough to believe that these two things should be an issue.
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I guess you are right in that regard.
 
Are Ronmey's undisclosed tax returns equal in importance to Obama's college records? Let's see.
What could I learn from a collage transcript: poor grades, a class from a communist professor (so Obama must be a communist too), who paid for his classes. Hummm, could someone help me with this?
What could I learn from fed income tax records, sales of Bain property to a Cayman Island corporation for a pittance, an amnesty that was offered by the feds and taken advantage of. Oh, I could have help here.
I just having trouble making a equate.
 
megaprogman said:
Sadly enough, they do matter in the election. Not due to any substantive value, but because we have people in the electorate that are dumb enough to believe that these two things should be an issue.
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So getting an amnesty granted, if there was one, isn't an issue to be considered?
 
OhIsee.Then said:
So getting an amnesty granted, if there was one, isn't an issue to be considered?
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If there are court proceedings about tax evasion, than that would be the IRS's thing and the press would pick up on it anyway.
 
It's clear from Romney and his team that there is nothing in Romney's tax records that are an issue for anybody. It sure would shut up Obama if they were released.
 
megaprogman said:
If there are court proceedings about tax evasion, than that would be the IRS's thing and the press would pick up on it anyway.
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The amnesty kept the issue out of court. You'd have to have steal the fed prosecuters records.
 
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Amnesty appears on a tax return? What line is that?
 
OhIsee.Then said:
It's clear from Romney and his team that there is nothing in Romney's tax records that are an issue for anybody. It sure would shut up Obama if they were released.
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No, it wouldn't.
 

That's just false and naive. Knowing the consequences doesn't mean they don't choose to take the risk if they think they won't be caught. That's why so many banks conspired to manipulate the LIBOR despite top legal advice (or maybe because of it), they violated laws on sanction, and helped people evade taxes, and they have professional accountants helping them get away with it too. There's an industry for it and it's geared towards people with Romney's kind of wealth.

THE DAILY STAR :: Business :: International :: Swiss banks turn over employee names to U.S. tax-evasion probe
HSBC Divulges More Staff Names in Tax Evasion Probe | Fox Business
More are renouncing U.S. citizenship as IRS cracks down - Miami-Dade - MiamiHerald.com
Telecom Mogul's Lofty Dreams Plummet (washingtonpost.com)
'Girls Gone Wild' founder Joe Francis sentenced in tax evasion and jail bribery case - latimes.com
Maybe Only the Little People Pay Taxes. But Everybody Dies. | taxgirl
Millionaire convicted over tax evasion (From Bucks Free Press)


Third, all the left wants to be able to do is berate Romney for our tax code. He didn't vote for it. He had nothing to do with its implementation. It's not his "fault" if he didn't pay enough taxes to suit the American people.
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But he wants to lower the tax rate that he pays, whereas the majority of Americans think it's fair for rich people like him to pay more. He wants to sell sausage to people but he just doesn't want to show them what's in it.



It's not a matter of a "right" to know, it's a matter of which do they want to know? If you, the Republicans, or anyone else who want to see Obama's college transcript, can manage to make the majority of Americans believe that Obama lied on his application or that he took "courses to do with socialism" (though that's one of the stupidest thing to hold against anyone. If it's okay for people who believe that embryos should have the rights of citizens from conception to run as VP, then believing in socialism or communism is the least anyone should be worried about), then you can effectively pressure him like the Democrats is pressuring Romney.
 
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Amnesty appears on a tax return? What line is that?
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The amnesty line is not on a tax return that is normal. But, when the IRS etc. offered that amnesty program it required submitting an amended tax return and fines; and those are on the return, but you didn't get prosecuted so no court record. The FED offer with the amnesty was that no one would know, just pay and a fine.
 
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