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You're quite the spinmeister, aren't you?M14 Shooter said:Back on point...
Why is it that the liberal left, inside America as well as abroad, refuses to openly and unconditionally condemn these "insurgents" and argue that they must be defeated by whatever means necessary?
Some people here say its because they hate Bush and the GOP, something the lef****t here vehemently deny.
If not that, then what?
LOL26 X World Champs said:So then how do you explain this bang up job by Bush? These facts are from the US Census Bureau.
What was that you wrote about Conservatives the number of 'needy' that no longer need government assistance?
I guess Bush is failing in this one too? I can hardly wait to read your spin about how more people below the poverty line is a positive for the Bush Administration.
26 X World Champs said:You're quite the spinmeister, aren't you?
M14 Shooter said:The tax cuts didnt cut taxes? They sure cut mine, and I'm not even "rich" -- and to hear the liberals talk, GWBs tax cuts virtually drained the treasury.
The people that think GWB is a right-wing extremist are only looking at about 20% of the ideological spectrum (and are almist always left-wing extremists). He's a solid 11:30 on the Clock 'o Ideology.
Nice spin! Expert! First you write you measure Conservatives by their ability to decrease the amount of Americans who need public assistance, then you backpedal away from that statement after I prove that MORE people need public assistance under Bush and then you write that you think Bush is doing a good job in this area.M14 Shooter said:Aside from that - the average poverty level over the last 30 years is 13.0% and the avgerage poverty level under the Clinton administration was 13.3%, with a +/-0.2% change in the poverty rate from year to year being well within the normal yearly variance -- so, after putting things in context, I'd say he's doing pretty OK.
Oh... well, I'm ALL for that.libertarian_knight said:did I say he didn't cut taxes? no I said they were GARBAGE. It was a TOKEN TAX CUT, and lower tax advocates should be pissed. I don't fault Bush for lowering taxes, I FAULT HIM FOR NOT LOWERING THEM ENOUGH.
Maybe you're fine with getting a little bit fo your money back, and goofy "tax rebate" checks... bah. it's MY MONEY their taking.
Income tax SHOULD BE ABOLISHED
I didn't backpedal from anything, sport. Read what I said.26 X World Champs said:Nice spin! Expert! First you write you measure Conservatives by their ability to decrease the amount of Americans who need public assistance, then you backpedal away from that statement after I prove that MORE people need public assistance under Bush and then you write that you think Bush is doing a good job in this area.
M14 Shooter said:Oh... well, I'm ALL for that.
But to argue that the tax cuts weren't significant is unsound - you might not agree that they went far enough, but they did cut quite a bit off the average person's tax bill, especially in terms of % cut from what they paid before.
libertarian_knight said:Yeah, but there is a lot of fluff there. I do taxes suring the season oddly enough. Many of the provisions that noticably reducing tax burdens, are only temporary, and I am not talking about the tax rate, but credits and deductions, for personal and small business. Many I think are set to expire for TY2008, just in time for whatever next administration. A couple TY2006 and TY2010 also I believe. (it's been the better part of a year since I worried about remebering the rules and changes, ask me again in March.)
I don't recall ever writing even one post that I've written that has ever even slightly suggested that I forgive or support anything that has to do with being pro insurgents?M14 Shooter said:I'm sorry - I dont recall seeing your answer to my question. I'll ask again:
Why is it that the liberal left, inside America as well as abroad, refuses to openly and unconditionally condemn these "insurgents" and argue that they must be defeated by whatever means necessary?
You dont have to try to answer for the entire liberal left -- you can answer for yourself.
26 X World Champs said:Now this is the typical response I expected from you. Love it or leave it, right? Where exactly in my post did I say America is WORSE than other places? Being a xenophobe is not something I would want on my resume.
You're entitled to your opinion.
A real intelligent reply, good stuff. You know what I think you sound like? "All French are the same and they all suck." Yeah, just like all Americans are the same and we all suck too. Both statements are incredibly unintelligent.
Just making this $hit up I see? Do you know what a xenophobe is? See if you recognize yourself in this dictionary.com definition?
xen·o·phobe Pronunciation Key (zn-fb, zn-)
n.
A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples.
So, where's the part where you argue that they must be defeated by whatever means necessary?26 X World Champs said:The insurgents in Iraq are evil murders that have no regard for human life. I've never been able to comprehend the totally different way of thinking and valuing life etc. that extreme terrorists and insurgents swear by. Nor do I believe that any mainstream Liberal politician in America supports anything insurgent.
There's only one thing that can cause us to lose this war, and its that we lose the will to fight it.I'm really tired of reading posts in this community that say that Liberals want us to lose this war, that they put politics before lives. It sucks and it's not true, yet it's a favorite talking point of some of our community members.
I don't know? Writing posts that admit your hate and contempt for entire nations of people seems "contemptuous" to me, at the very least.Scarecrow Akhbar said:I'm not unduly contemptuous. Every drop of my contempt for those people they earned fully, and my contempt is based on knowledge, not ignorance.
libertarian_knight said:So in short, you are 4/9 against GWB ok, at least that's clearer now. Maybe 5/9 if you realize his tax cuts were garbage.
libertarian_knight said:So in short, you are 4/9 against GWB ok, at least that's clearer now. Maybe 5/9 if you realize his tax cuts were garbage.
Navy Pride said:Hey I don't agree with everything President Bush has done but when it comes to your boy "Lurch" Kerry it was a sla, dunk because I did not agree with any of his political issues besides he was a scumbag.......
M14 Shooter said:Exactly.
There are a lot of things tht Bush has done that I don't like, and things that I would like to see done that he hasn't.
Thing is, I havent seen any reason to believe that anyone in the Democratic Party will do those things better, or do things I;d like to see done.
Navy Pride said:Right on, and when it comes to the war on terror I am 100% behind President Bush and to me that is the most important issue of all.....
It should go without saying that these murdering freaks should be unconditionally condemned for what they do. It should be obvious to any rational human being that blowing up civilians and cutting off their heads is unconditionally wrong. Only the morally bankrupt would need to have that pointed out to them once, much less repeated. Bush and co. have done a good job condemning terrorist violence. It's pointless to be redundant when it's so obvious.Why is it that the liberal left, inside America as well as abroad, refuses to openly and unconditionally condemn these "insurgents"
Absolutely. Put out the fire by whatever means will work. Stop the flame with military force when necessary, and remove the fuel with humanitarian-oriented diplomacy the rest of the time. But Bush has a problem with the 2nd part.and argue that they must be defeated by whatever means necessary?
But its -not- pointless when people try to equivocate.Binary_Digit said:It should go without saying that these murdering freaks should be unconditionally condemned for what they do. It should be obvious to any rational human being that blowing up civilians and cutting off their heads is unconditionally wrong. Only the morally bankrupt would need to have that pointed out to them once, much less repeated. Bush and co. have done a good job condemning terrorist violence. It's pointless to be redundant when it's so obvious.
How so?...and remove the fuel with humanitarian-oriented diplomacy the rest of the time. But Bush has a problem with the 2nd part.
And Bush is right.Removing the fuel is what Democrats stress the most, because that's the part Bush keeps forgetting. He doesn't understand why terrorists have targetted us. He tells us they hate our freedoms, they hate democracy, and they have an ideology of hatred.
And that didnt happen because ol' Zarq is watching CNN, right? What did you THINK he was going to say? Do you really think they arent going to use our media for their purposes?He doesn't acknowledge that people were beheaded in direct retaliation for Abu Ghraib, even though al'Zarqawi, the piece of **** thug responsible for the beheadings, said exactly that.
Yes you can, if you pour enough on in a short enough time.You can't extinguish a fire with gasoline.
No matter how nice we play with the terrorists, the terrorists will never play nice with us.It means removing the threat of terrorism by whatever means necessary. That includes not giving them more reasons to hate, thereby making it as difficult as possible for them to convince others that America deserves to be bombed.
26 X World Champs said:Now this is the typical response I expected from you. Love it or leave it, right? Where exactly in my post did I say America is WORSE than other places? Being a xenophobe is not something I would want on my resume.
26 X World Champs said:and to write BS the "United States is better"
26 X World Champs said:A real intelligent reply, good stuff. You know what I think you sound like? "All French are the same and they all suck."
26 X World Champs said:Yeah, just like all Americans are the same and we all suck too. Both statements are incredibly unintelligent.
26 X World Champs said:Just making this $hit up I see?
Binary_Digit said:Instead he lets Cheney run around begging Congress to let the CIA torture more of them
M14 Shooter said:No matter how nice we play with the terrorists, the terrorists will never play nice with us.
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