Are Cops Complete Scumbags?

[Deuce]

Back in the day that kid may have well gotten a "Wood Shampoo", courtesy of the cities Finest.

Do you know what a Wood Shampoo is Nolan?

Yes, how fine those men were to assault children for having the audacity to question authority.

 

[Deuce]

That is what the OP has suggested, outright stated, and on repeat with dozens of threads based on a handful of YouTube channel videos on the subject.

Get it right before telling me to do anything.



Now you get the onus of proving these videos are common for all interactions with law enforcement, good luck.



You just got as close to contradicting point #1 without the "all" part going with "most."



I am not suggesting otherwise, but going with something other than "half-measures" means evaluating all of our criminal justice system not just a few YouTube videos used here to enflame the conversation.

Speaking of, come down from the cheap seats... what is a full-measure solution? Put your money where your mouth is.

Contradicting? What? You think I'm saying every last cop is bad when I explicitly said there are good cops? No, sorry, not going to play your little game. I'm not going to engage with straw man arguments and nor demands for standards of evidence you haven't met yourself.

 

[anatta]

lol.. cops are bad until you need one.
Dont give them shit when you get pulled over,dont do crimes and go about your life

as to qualified immunity -without it cops would be subject to all kinds of stupid lawsuits -making them unable to do their job.
Meaning they cant go after the criminals that just robbed you

You can see some of the attitudes here, but a hell of a lot more during the various 2020 riots
The Defund the Police crowd are morons

 

[Peter]

Why do you think they could (or even should) answer questions about some (allegedly) idling police car? How would you react to someone asking you about how long your neighbor had (once allegedly?) left their car idling somewhere?

Because they're public servants and conversing with the public in a civil manner is part of the bloody job?
Would it really have been that hard to find out why the car was idling and just answer a simple enquiry?

This is the same kind of thinking that allows the police to harass people for simply asking for a complaint form and throwing them out of the police station.

 

[Peter]

Thats why normal people do not go up and start tormenting cops, we're intelligent enough to realize that before long they are going to make us regret such behavior.

Run ins with Police are not supposed to be pleasant. They sort of do that on purpose you know. So that way, many people use their brains and then decide that run ins with Police are not a good and fun thing to do with your time. Then they sometimes decide further that they will try to avoid run ins with the Police in the future. This is by design.

The police don't have to be aggressive and obnoxious at all times.
They could just act like any other public facing profession or indeed any other police force around the world where people don't feel that simply talking to the police will lead to them getting angry at having to talk to a lowly member of the public.
The police aren't some precious flower who you dare not talk to or contradict because that will end in a threat of arrest.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Because they're public servants and conversing with the public in a civil manner is part of the bloody job?

Tip: don’t start the conversation with give me your name and badge number.

Would it really have been that hard to find out why the car was idling and just answer a simple enquiry?

Maybe not for someone who was given the car’s number along with the date, time and location of alleged offense. Expecting some random officer in the parking lot to have that memorized and handy was a bit much.

This is the same kind of thinking that allows the police to harass people for simply asking for a complaint form and throwing them out of the police station.

Nonsense. The kid never went inside the police station to politely ask for a complaint form. He demanded instant investigative assistance in the parking lot.

 

[Mircea]

What the **** is wrong with cops?

You.

You are the problem.

You have always been the problem.

As a society, as citizens, we must make a choice. You have two choices:

Option #1: Police are under community control through their locally elected city/township/county leaders

...or...

Option #2: Police are under union control through union representatives you never elect and who never have to answer to you and who never suffer any consequences for bad decisions

You have continually and repeatedly chosen Option #2.

Because you have forfeited control to unions who you don't elect and who never have to answer to you and who never suffer any consequences, you have surrendered your right to bitch, gripe, complain, criticize, whine, get upset, or get bent out of shape.

When you grow up and realize that Option #1 is the only acceptable option, then your life and the lives of everyone else will go that much better.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Contradicting? What? You think I'm saying every last cop is bad when I explicitly said there are good cops? No, sorry, not going to play your little game. I'm not going to engage with straw man arguments and nor demands for standards of evidence you haven't met yourself.

So you have nothing, which is expected.

The sad part is odds are we would agree more than otherwise on need for reforms but too bad you cannot see much difference between "most" and "all."

 

[Deuce]

So you have nothing, which is expected.

The sad part is odds are we would agree more than otherwise on need for reforms but too bad you cannot see much difference between "most" and "all."

That's the straw man I was referring to, yes.

 

[donhughesmusic]

My father was a cop. He isn't a scumbag.

 

[OrphanSlug]

That's the straw man I was referring to, yes.

You went there, care to back up the "most" part at least? (Not that I think you can.)

 

[Peter]

Tip: don’t start the conversation with give me your name and badge number.



Maybe not for someone who was given the car’s number along with the date, time and location of alleged offense. Expecting some random officer in the parking lot to have that memorized and handy was a bit much.



Nonsense. The kid never went inside the police station to politely ask for a complaint form. He demanded instant investigative assistance in the parking lot.

Firstly giving out a name and badge number is not hard and being asked to do so should be done by everyone who has any interaction with the police and also film the event.

Secondly the police have these things called radios and can just ask someone at base for the information, again it's not hard and it's what you guys pay the police to do is help the public.

Lastly, why does it matter where the incident happened, he's a kid so maybe he didn't know about the forms and just wanted to ask a nearby officer.

You post as if simply asking the police for anything is some kind of assault against them and they can respond as such. This is entirely ridiculous and the police should be able to have encounters with the public and not feel always threatened.

 

[rickc]

Really it is a crappy job with poor pay.

What kind of person wants to be one?

Recruits should have a battery of psychological test. Weed out the adrenaline junkies and those with chips on their shoulders.

We don't have those Andy of Mayberry cops any more. We have equipped them with military hardware and many are ex military straight out of Iraq and Afganistan. Swat team mentality.

They need to realize that we pay their salary. The motto is Protect and Serve.

 

[Bodi]

LOL, you don't seem to have any idea how things have changed in policing the last 50 years.

Cops have been "pussified" beyond anything imaginable 50 years ago.

They ruled with an iron fist in the 60's. Did as they please when they pleased. Never any repercussions.
They were not so dissimilar from organized crime. Extortions shakedowns I found was the norm. It's just how it was.

If you liked how cops got away with shit back then you would have really loved how the SS conducted themselves in the 40's.

 

[Bodi]

That is what the OP has suggested, outright stated, and on repeat with dozens of threads based on a handful of YouTube channel videos on the subject.

Get it right before telling me to do anything.

No. @Deuce is 100% right and your post is 100% wrong... or a lie.

 

[Bodi]

You.

You are the problem.

You have always been the problem.

As a society, as citizens, we must make a choice. You have two choices:

Option #1: Police are under community control through their locally elected city/township/county leaders

...or...

Option #2: Police are under union control through union representatives you never elect and who never have to answer to you and who never suffer any consequences for bad decisions

You have continually and repeatedly chosen Option #2.

Because you have forfeited control to unions who you don't elect and who never have to answer to you and who never suffer any consequences, you have surrendered your right to bitch, gripe, complain, criticize, whine, get upset, or get bent out of shape.

When you grow up and realize that Option #1 is the only acceptable option, then your life and the lives of everyone else will go that much better.

Who are you talking to?

 

[Lutherf]

Wow... . this kid tries an Audit and is harassed and threatened and followed to such a degree that he breaks down.

What the **** is wrong with cops?

Kid makes it a point to be a douchebag and then gets pissed when he's run off. Maybe he can grow up to be a cop killer or convince some other asshole to be a cop killer. I mean, if the objective of your day is to piss people off then why no go whole hog?

 

[jotathought]

I think we need to acknowledge a few things:

1) Nobody has ever said every cop is like the ones in these videos, get outta here with that weak straw man
2) These kinds of cops are more common than we want to believe. There's a new video like this every day.
3) Most cops are bad cops. Why? Because most cops are silent cops, and a silent cop is a bad cop. They don't all abuse the public, but they shut the **** up when they witness abuse and they do what it takes to protect the abusers. Worse, good cops who speak up get actively destroyed by their peers.

We have a systemic problem in our police forces. The problems run too wide and too deep to be solved with half-measures.

Not agreeing with your sentiment (at all), although I would add a 4th bullet: local, state and federal leadership don't support law enforcement and police officers are slacking off so they don't become the next national law enforcement story.

 

[noonereal]

If you liked how cops got away with shit back then you would have really loved how the SS conducted themselves in the 40's.

Sorry you missed my point.

For the record, I have been cuffed and on the floor offering no resistance as cops took turns kicking me in the kidneys.

 

[Bodi]

Sorry you missed my point.

Guess so. I am Bodi. I get things wrong.

For the record, I have been cuffed and on the floor offering no resistance as cops took turns kicking me in the kidneys.

We were detained, sitting on the curb, and a cop kidney kicked my friend and rapped me on the head twice with his flashlight.

We were just in the wrong place at the wrong time and they acted like we were MS13 or something. It was ridiculous.

 

[noonereal]

Guess so. I am Bodi. I get things wrong.

We were detained, sitting on the curb, and a cop kidney kicked my friend and rapped me on the head twice with his flashlight.

We were just in the wrong place at the wrong time and they acted like we were MS13 or something. It was ridiculous.

My point was, policing has made tremendous strides the last 50 years in regards to police abuses.

Is it perfect, nope. Will it ever be? Nope.

 

[Bodi]

My point was, policing has made tremendous strides the last 50 years in regards to police abuses.

Is it perfect, nope. Will it ever be? Nope.

I completely agree...

 

[Blue Dog]

Law enforcement is in a vicious cycle. Trust between communities and police are very low. Not as many people want to become cops. As a result standards get lowered to replace those retiring or leaving the work force for other careers. The wrong people become cops. The community gets further outraged. Less people want to become cops…..

 

[Cardinal]

Wow... . this kid tries an Audit and is harassed and threatened and followed to such a degree that he breaks down.

What the **** is wrong with cops?

There are bad cops, and there’s a lot of problems with the institution overall.

That said…you’re watching too much hate-cop porn. You should balance that out a bit with a YouTube channel like Schrodinger’s Cat.

 

[Deuce]

Not agreeing with your sentiment (at all), although I would add a 4th bullet: local, state and federal leadership don't support law enforcement and police officers are slacking off so they don't become the next national law enforcement story.

LOL. "Cops become the next national story" because of their own behavior and you think the problem is the camera.

Maybe if a cop is worried that his next murder might be caught on video and therefore there's a slight chance he gets punished, that guy shouldn't be a ****in cop?