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When the Bill of Rights was being written and the 2nd Amendment was being described out in that document by the founding fathers do you think they ever expected tens of thousands of gun-related deaths per year, mass shootings, and constant political fights over the topic? If they could go back in time and do it over again would they so graciously provide us with such a responsibility and freedom again? In my opinion I don't know they would be so willing to grant us that privilege again to be honest. Yes, statistically, with the amount of guns available in this country versus the amount of people versus the amount of gun-related crimes it may not seem that dramatic when put into perspective, but with the original intent of the 2nd amendment allowing for the creation of civilian militia and the right to have arms in order to ensure freedom from tyranny, have we drifted away from the spirit of that freedom and slowly been drifting into simply being poor stewards of such a responsibility to the point that we possibly don't deserve such freedom anymore as a society? I'm not calling for an overthrow of the constitution anything like that, I'm simply just asking a hypothetical question. Have we abused or ignored that right to the point to where we warrant a loss of that privilege if we continue along this path?
The better question is whether today's SCOTUS would accept converting a constitutional right into a state issued privilege or whether repeal of the 2A is acceptable.
BTW, this is not in any way "breaking news".
Ok so I put it in the wrong place here. Maybe somebody can move it?
When the Bill of Rights was being written and the 2nd Amendment was being described out in that document by the founding fathers do you think they ever expected tens of thousands of gun-related deaths per year, mass shootings, and constant political fights over the topic? If they could go back in time and do it over again would they so graciously provide us with such a responsibility and freedom again? In my opinion I don't know they would be so willing to grant us that privilege again to be honest. Yes, statistically, with the amount of guns available in this country versus the amount of people versus the amount of gun-related crimes it may not seem that dramatic when put into perspective, but with the original intent of the 2nd amendment allowing for the creation of civilian militia and the right to have arms in order to ensure freedom from tyranny, have we drifted away from the spirit of that freedom and slowly been drifting into simply being poor stewards of such a responsibility to the point that we possibly don't deserve such freedom anymore as a society? I'm not calling for an overthrow of the constitution anything like that, I'm simply just asking a hypothetical question. Have we abused or ignored that right to the point to where we warrant a loss of that privilege if we continue along this path?
There's nothing which supposedly makes us "unworthy" of the Second Amendment which wouldn't also make us unworthy of self-government as a whole.
The issues that the Framers had in mind with the Second Amendment are eternal. They don't change.
The Framers, of course, never saw it as "granting a privilege," but protecting a pre-existing right.
An inalienable right of self preservation bestowed upon us by our Creator.
Appealing to what the founders believed is still an argument from authority, even if their ideas are the law.There's nothing which supposedly makes us "unworthy" of the Second Amendment which wouldn't also make us unworthy of self-government as a whole.
The issues that the Framers had in mind with the Second Amendment are eternal. They don't change.
The Framers, of course, never saw it as "granting a privilege," but protecting a pre-existing right.
Are Americans still worthy of having the 2nd Amendment?
Appealing to what the founders believed is still an argument from authority, even if their ideas are the law.
An inalienable right of self preservation bestowed upon us by our Creator.
I'm aware of that.:shrug: You should read the OP better, because she specifically asked what the Framers thought or would think. It's what the thread is about.
Our creator wanted all of us to use 69 every night, it's in the Bible I tell ya'!What??? Our “creator” wanted us to have guns? :doh
Our creator wanted all of us to use 69 every night, it's in the Bible I tell ya'!
See, we can make religious declarations without evidence, too.:2razz:
I'm aware of that.
Nobody can possibly know what the position of the framers would be today.
When the Bill of Rights was being written and the 2nd Amendment was being described out in that document by the founding fathers do you think they ever expected tens of thousands of gun-related deaths per year, mass shootings, and constant political fights over the topic? If they could go back in time and do it over again would they so graciously provide us with such a responsibility and freedom again? In my opinion I don't know they would be so willing to grant us that privilege again to be honest. Yes, statistically, with the amount of guns available in this country versus the amount of people versus the amount of gun-related crimes it may not seem that dramatic when put into perspective, but with the original intent of the 2nd amendment allowing for the creation of civilian militia and the right to have arms in order to ensure freedom from tyranny, have we drifted away from the spirit of that freedom and slowly been drifting into simply being poor stewards of such a responsibility to the point that we possibly don't deserve such freedom anymore as a society? I'm not calling for an overthrow of the constitution anything like that, I'm simply just asking a hypothetical question. Have we abused or ignored that right to the point to where we warrant a loss of that privilege if we continue along this path?
Have we abused or ignored that right to the point to where we warrant a loss of that privilege if we continue along this path?
There's nothing which supposedly makes us "unworthy" of the Second Amendment which wouldn't also make us unworthy of self-government as a whole.
The issues that the Framers had in mind with the Second Amendment are eternal. They don't change.
The Framers, of course, never saw it as "granting a privilege," but protecting a pre-existing right.
When the Bill of Rights was being written and the 2nd Amendment was being described out in that document by the founding fathers do you think they ever expected tens of thousands of gun-related deaths per year, mass shootings, and constant political fights over the topic? If they could go back in time and do it over again would they so graciously provide us with such a responsibility and freedom again? In my opinion I don't know they would be so willing to grant us that privilege again to be honest. Yes, statistically, with the amount of guns available in this country versus the amount of people versus the amount of gun-related crimes it may not seem that dramatic when put into perspective, but with the original intent of the 2nd amendment allowing for the creation of civilian militia and the right to have arms in order to ensure freedom from tyranny, have we drifted away from the spirit of that freedom and slowly been drifting into simply being poor stewards of such a responsibility to the point that we possibly don't deserve such freedom anymore as a society? I'm not calling for an overthrow of the constitution anything like that, I'm simply just asking a hypothetical question. Have we abused or ignored that right to the point to where we warrant a loss of that privilege if we continue along this path?
When the Bill of Rights was being written and the 2nd Amendment was being described out in that document by the founding fathers do you think they ever expected tens of thousands of gun-related deaths per year, mass shootings, and constant political fights over the topic? If they could go back in time and do it over again would they so graciously provide us with such a responsibility and freedom again?
~snipped your opinion because I don't really care about it~
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