Appeals court strikes down North Carolina’s voter-ID law

[Celebrity]

You don't, that's what Dems count on.

:lol:

Why Voter ID Laws Aren?t Really about Fraud | FRONTLINE | PBS

 

[joG]

The issue just is NOT whether or not people must be allowed to vote without any identification at all.

If you don't know that, you've read really nothing at all about the issue and why the new laws are controversial or why courts are striking some of them down and forcing changes to others.

True. I didn’t follow the issue at all closely. But the article seems to indicate that the law was to require some type of identification with a picture. That seems a fair request and the least one might require from a grown person. So, what is the problem?

 

[notquiteright]

"Jim Crow." Wow, talk about poisoning the well. With bull**** like that right off the bat, there's nowhere for this to go.

Does remembering the past history of the South bring up uncomfortable memories? I remember Sundown towns, segregated businesses and a black worker needing a white co-signer for a used car loan.

Of course there is a way to go from here, though some apparently don't want to go. It's forward, yanno progress.... eace

 

[JayDubya]

Does remembering the past history of the South bring up uncomfortable memories? I remember Sundown towns, segregated businesses and a black worker needing a white co-signer for a used car loan.

Of course there is a way to go from here, though some apparently don't want to go. It's forward, yanno progress.... eace

Well shucks, why would such glorious things make one anything but nostalgic?!



SMH.


You people need a new shtick.

 

[Fletch]

You're taking only one small part of the case and ignoring other parts of it. However, to address this particular part, you should read more:


[/B]I mean, it was literally the very next sentence.

I saw that part. So what? Since when is it appropriate for churches to involve themselves so openly in politics like this. Why don't we make voting a year long experience? 10 days is plenty. In fact its too much. for 200 years we survived with voting taking place on a single day. Now we need 3 weeks because blacks cant find their way to the polls? Not buying it.

All Democrats, one appointed by Bill Clinton and the other two by Barack Obama, if I'm not mistaken.

That's what I figured. I will dismiss this ruling the same way the left would dismiss an opposite ruling had it been made by three Bush appointees.

 

[Common Sense 1]

So requiring someone to show identification is somehow disenfranchising them from voting?
Really? How do you function today in society with out an ID? If you drive you need it. If you go to a Dr you need it.
If you transact business at a bank you need it. If you fly you need it. If you rent an apartment you need it.
The states that require ID to vote will give a a free ID if you can not afford one. It's beyond mind boggling that people
want to use showing ID as a deterrent to vote.

The early voting issue. Why is so hard to plan to vote on a certain day. We all know when election day is. I have voted in every election since I turned 18.
You can go in before work or go after work. Or if for some reason that does not work then time must be allotted for you to vote. I have never missed voting!

I hope the States appeals this ruling.

 

[notquiteright]

Legislators eliminated same-day voter registration, rolled back of a week of early voting and put an end to out-of-precinct voting. Exactly how does that discriminate against blacks? Are the judges saying that blacks are uniquely so disorganized and stupid that they can't adjust to these changes?

So when most on the rabid right prance around, rant to anyone who even pretends to listen about an over-reaching, freedom restricting 'Gubmint' why would any of these freedom loving 'Mericans accept this?

Restricting our precious voting rights is ok but not limiting mag cap on firearms... I don't get the disconnect... eace

 

[joG]

"Jim Crow."

Wow, talk about poisoning the well. With bull**** like that right off the bat, there's nowhere for this to go.

I find it enormously impolite to think African Americans cannot handle getting proper identification. Of course, we could do it like they do in the third world and color the fingers of those that have voted purple. But that seems rather sad, if this is true.

 

[JasperL]

True. I didn’t follow the issue at all closely. But the article seems to indicate that the law was to require some type of identification with a picture. That seems a fair request and the least one might require from a grown person. So, what is the problem?

Read the excerpts from the case already cited in this thread by Slyfox for a primer...:roll:

 

[Mr Person]

I find it amazing that people are delusionally claiming that somehow racially neutral standards are somehow magically discriminatory.
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I finding it amazing that some people cannot fathom how (1) the standards here weren't racially neutral because the legislature designed them specifically to target blacks after doing research to see what would impact blacks, and (2) other standards that are racially neutral in intent can still have a racially neutral impact in the real world.

If you cannot be bothered to read the article, at least read this snippet:

No, it's pretty much close enough to Jim Crow to qualify and there's evidence to prove that. I'd strongly suggest you know what you're talking about before actually talking.

North Carolina's Deliberate Disenfranchisement of Black Voters - The Atlantic

"“Before enacting that law, the legislature requested data on the use, by race, of a number of voting practices. Upon receipt of the race data, the General Assembly enacted legislation that restricted voting and registration in five different ways, all of which disproportionately affected African Americans,” Motz wrote. “Although the new provisions target African Americans with almost surgical precision, they constitute inapt remedies for the problems assertedly justifying them and, in fact, impose cures for problems that did not exist.”"

Or is the idea now that the Court is part of the vast liberal conspiracy and therefore to be ignored?

 

[Beaudreaux]

Jim Crow has just taken another hit. A Federal Court has concluded that North Carolina's Voter ID Act was designed solely to keep black folks out of the voting booth.

Article is here.

My state's law was not Jim Crow. There were parts that I didn't agree with, like making college students have to go home to vote, and a few other stupid parts, but the ID portion was fine. Our state even bought some busses that have been outfitted with ID machines to go into poor neighborhoods to make ID's for people that can't go get their ID.

As a US citizen I find it insulting as hell that the ID portion was struck down by the court.

We just had a former member of our state house get cleared from a political witch hunt claiming he had voted in both NC and SC, when in fact it was someone else that voted under his name in SC, which would not have happened if the SC voter ID law would have been in force in 2004.

This is another reason why this election is critical - The Supreme Court appointments.

If you're against proving who you are to vote, you are in favor of voter fraud. Now, if that describes you and me saying that pisses you off, then that's fine. On this, I take a stand. My state made it as simple as possible (busses at your front damned door), and absolutely free (no paying for birth certificates). What else do you want?

Here's a picture of the bus that will come to your front door.

I don't get it? You can get to the poll to vote, but you can't walk to the sidewalk in front of your house to get a voter ID? Bull****.

As for the other parts of the law that are obviously made to screw with people, sure, throw that crap out. But, the voter ID portion? Hell no, leave it alone.

 

[Mr Person]

So requiring someone to show identification is somehow disenfranchising them from voting?
Really? How do you function today in society with out an ID? If you drive you need it. If you go to a Dr you need it.
If you transact business at a bank you need it. If you fly you need it. If you rent an apartment you need it.
The states that require ID to vote will give a a free ID if you can not afford one. It's beyond mind boggling that people
want to use showing ID as a deterrent to vote.

The early voting issue. Why is so hard to plan to vote on a certain day. We all know when election day is. I have voted in every election since I turned 18.
You can go in before work or go after work. Or if for some reason that does not work then time must be allotted for you to vote. I have never missed voting!

I hope the States appeals this ruling.

I'm starting to notice a pattern here: every single post that ridicules the ruling was clearly typed up in complete ignorance of what portions of the law the court actually struck down.

 

[JayDubya]

I find it enormously impolite to think African Americans cannot handle getting proper identification. Of course, we could do it like they do in the third world and color the fingers of those that have voted purple. But that seems rather sad, if this is true.

That is in fact the implication of such court actions.

 

[joG]

Legislators eliminated same-day voter registration, rolled back of a week of early voting and put an end to out-of-precinct voting. Exactly how does that discriminate against blacks? Are the judges saying that blacks are uniquely so disorganized and stupid that they can't adjust to these changes?

It seems hardly credible that the people cannot handle that level of complexity. I suspect it is more a ploy to drum up discontent in order to motivate African Americans to vote in anger.

 

[Mr Person]

I find it enormously impolite to think African Americans cannot handle getting proper identification.

Uhuh.

And what do you think about the right wing meme that Democrats have "enslaved" black voters by "giving them free stuff" (aka, having a safety net in the world's richest country), and said voters just cannot think for themselves as a result?

It seems hardly credible that the people cannot handle that level of complexity. I suspect it is more a ploy to drum up discontent in order to motivate African Americans to vote in anger.

Oh, so now they can't think for themselves and just vote in anger? You don't consider it "impolite" for you to have said that?

 

[Fletch]

I'm starting to notice a pattern here: every single post that ridicules the ruling was clearly typed up in complete ignorance of what portions of the law the court actually struck down.

Not true. I took exception to a particular aspect of the ruling.

 

[notquiteright]

You don't, that's what Dems count on.

More Con whine and BS... when Barack won the national election Willard won North Carolina handily 76 to 32%. Only major urban areas went for Obama- that fits the historic voting pattern for most of America. Dems would have to count on far more than what Conservatives 'fear' to win such places like North Carolina...

But thanks for parroting false rabid right lies... eace

 

[JayDubya]

Uhuh.

And what do you think about the right wing meme that Democrats have "enslaved" black voters by "giving them free stuff" (aka, having a safety net in the world's richest country), and said voters just cannot think for themselves as a result

I would guess you'd deny the truth of that statement... that the left have carefully cultivated an entitlement mentality through socialist welfare schemes.

You'd deny it, but that wouldn't change the reality.

 

[WorldWatcher]

My state's law was not Jim Crow. There were parts that I didn't agree with, like making college students have to go home to vote, ...

NC required college students go home to vote? I would think they should be able to vote absentee in their location of permanent residence just like I did in the military for 20 years.


Personally I think absentee ballots for college students is appropriate unless the establish a local address as their permanent address. And no a college dorm would not be a permenant address since school require student move out of breaks (Fall, Christmas, Sprint, and Summer. Now if they rent and apartment showing year round residency - sure register to vote and vote locally, not a problem.



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[JasperL]

I find it enormously impolite to think African Americans cannot handle getting proper identification. Of course, we could do it like they do in the third world and color the fingers of those that have voted purple. But that seems rather sad, if this is true.

Again, you should educate yourself on the issue before making ludicrous statements that no one is claiming.

First of all, blacks HAVE "proper ID" as it was defined for the previous few decades. They have the ID required to live their lives, get medical care, benefits when available, rent an apartment, etc. The legislature in NC asked for data on what ID they ALREADY HAVE, figured out which ones are disproportionately used by blacks, and struck those IDs from the list.

It's sort of a big deal that the legislature first asked, "Which IDs are mostly used by blacks", got the answer, then struck those forms of ID off the list. And it probably won't surprise you (well, who knows) that the data on who doesn't have photo ID showed that registered dems without newly approved forms of ID were roughly 176,000 and registered republicans totaled about 67,000. Gosh, shocker! The GOP legislature put in place new rules that disproportionately burdened registered democrats!! I'm sure that was a complete accident and not a carefully designed feature of the new rules! :roll:

 

[Beaudreaux]

NC required college students go home to vote? I would think they should be able to vote absentee in their location of permanent residence just like I did in the military for 20 years.

Yes, and it wasn't just college kids, it effected the military, too, and it was so screwed up that the state repealed that part and fixed it. It was just one of many stupid parts of the law. Many of which have already been repealed. Never underestimate the level of stupidity that politicians can achieve when swinging a pendulum from one extreme to another.

Personally I think absentee ballots for college students is appropriate unless the establish a local address as their permanent address. And no a college dorm would not be a permenant address since school require student move out of breaks (Fall, Christmas, Sprint, and Summer. Now if they rent and apartment showing year round residency - sure register to vote and vote locally, not a problem.

That's pretty much the way the law is now after it was fixed. But it appears that the court struck down even that part that was fixed.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Yes, and it wasn't just college kids, it effected the military, too, and it was so screwed up that the state repealed that part and fixed it. It was just one of many stupid parts of the law. Many of which have already been repealed. Never underestimate the level of stupidity that politicians can achieve when swinging a pendulum from one extreme to another.




That's pretty much the way the law is now after it was fixed. But it appears that the court struck down even that part that was fixed.

They really screwed around with absentee ballots and the military? What's gotten into the water supply down there?



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[Beaudreaux]

They really screwed around with absentee ballots and the military? What's gotten into the water supply?



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Yes, they did. Then after getting their butts slapped repealed that portion of the law.

 

[Donc]

Jim Crow has just taken another hit. A Federal Court has concluded that North Carolina's Voter ID Act was designed solely to keep black folks out of the voting booth.

Article is here.

GOOD!Get all the voter [SUB]identification[/SUB]/[SUP]suppression[/SUP] laws in ALL of the states overturned before the next Natonal Election.About time.:thumbs:

 

[Moon]

So when most on the rabid right prance around, rant to anyone who even pretends to listen about an over-reaching, freedom restricting 'Gubmint' why would any of these freedom loving 'Mericans accept this?

Restricting our precious voting rights is ok but not limiting mag cap on firearms... I don't get the disconnect... eace

How are voting rights being restricted?