Apparently the Washington Post thinks that injured troops are a joke.

[Kelzie]

How about using the military as a pawn in an anti-war campaign and making light of injured soldiers. That seems to fit the bill; furthermore, if the Supreme Court can use historical context to make its decisions then so can I and historically the left in this country has had nothing but disdain for the military from calling them baby killers, to spitting on them, and now calling them terrorists.

I love how the left is all like: "we support the military now watch as we put surrender flags on their graves and make light of their sacrifice in cartoons to prove it." Fuc/king hypocrites.

TOT, I really don't understand how you can hate a group so much. I mean, I don't like conservative views, but I have quite a few conservative friends. I don't even hate their point of view. They're entitled to it. I hope at some point you will wake up and realize the people you so despise are just trying to do the best they can.

 

[Kelzie]

As far as disdain goes that is your opinion and I don't agree with it............I know as a liberal maybe you don't have disdain for our military but a lot of liberals and the cartoonist does.........

Prove it. Prove the cartoonist has disdain for the military and not Rumsfield.

 

[Navy Pride]

How about using the military as a pawn in an anti-war campaign and making light of injured soldiers. That seems to fit the bill; furthermore, if the Supreme Court can use historical context to make its decisions then so can I and historically the left in this country has had nothing but disdain for the military from calling them baby killers, to spitting on them, and now calling them terrorists.

I love how the left is all like: "we support the military now watch as we put surrender flags on their graves and make light of their sacrifice in cartoons to prove it." Fuc/king hypocrites.

I believe I said that to her a couple of times but she is hung up on the war ridicule and God forbid if I was a 4 limb amputee and I was used in a cartoon by the left to promote the left wing politcal issues I would say I was being ridiculed as would most military people and I would resent it........

 

[Kelzie]

I believe I said that to her a couple of times but she is hung up on the war ridicule and God forbid if I was a 4 limb amputee and I was used in a cartoon by the left to promote the left wing politcal issues I would say I was being ridiculed as would most military people and I would resent it........

You use that word again. Explain how the cartoon made fun of the military.

 

[Navy Pride]

TOT, I really don't understand how you can hate a group so much. I mean, I don't like conservative views, but I have quite a few conservative friends. I don't even hate their point of view. They're entitled to it. I hope at some point you will wake up and realize the people you so despise are just trying to do the best they can.

How about the lefts compulsive, irrational, total hate for this president because he considers himself a christian conservative......

Talk about a hatred.........I have never seen one like this......

 

[Navy Pride]

You use that word again. Explain how the cartoon made fun of the military.

You are being ridiculous now.......

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

TOT, I really don't understand how you can hate a group so much. I mean, I don't like conservative views, but I have quite a few conservative friends. I don't even hate their point of view. They're entitled to it. I hope at some point you will wake up and realize the people you so despise are just trying to do the best they can.

I don't hate you personally . . . just everything you stand for. :mrgreen:

The problem is not your views, that I can deal with by defeating them in the arena of ideas, but just be honest with them, that's what p!sses me off to no end, I don't play make believe with what I really stand for I talk straight and mean what I say, on the other hand, the liberals hide behind this veil of hypocricy by saying one thing and doing another.

 

[Kelzie]

How about the lefts compulsive, irrational, total hate for this president because he considers himself a christian conservative......

Talk about a hatred.........I have never seen one like this......

I have never seen anyone in my life, either at debatepolitics or in the real world, spew as much hatred filled vitriol as TOT. At any person or at any group. It's getting to the point where I avoid the threads he's debating on because it just sucks reading it.

 

[Kelzie]

I don't hate you personally . . . just everything you stand for. :mrgreen:

The problem is not your views, that I can deal with by defeating them in the arena of ideas, but just be honest with them, that's what p!sses me off to no end, I don't play make believe with what I really stand for I talk straight and mean what I say, on the other hand, the liberals hide behind this veil of hypocricy by saying one thing and doing another.

I know you mean it. And that's what makes me feel so sorry for you. I can't imagine living my life so angry at so many people, especially when it has no basis.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

I know you mean it. And that's what makes me feel so sorry for you. I can't imagine living my life so angry at so many people, especially when it has no basis.

No basis??? What country are you living in because the one I'm in is one which the Democrats are sharing talking points with Osama Bin Ladin... or is it Osama bin Laden sharing talking points with the Democrats? I can never quite remember.

I think my vitriolic hatred is more than justified.

 

[Kelzie]

No basis??? What country are you living in because the one I'm in is one which the Democrats are sharing talking points with Osama Bin Ladin... or is it Osama bin Laden sharing talking points with the Democrats? I can never quite remember.

I think my vitriolic hatred is more than justified.

Then you are just as bad as your hated liberals who call our troops terrorists.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Then you are just as bad as your hated liberals who call our troops terrorists.

Really how so? So me hating liberals because they call our troops terrorists is some sort of moral equivalent to calling the troops terrorists? Gotta love that logic.

 

[Kelzie]

Really how so? So me hating liberals because they call our troops terrorists is some sort of moral equivalent to calling the troops terrorists? Gotta love that logic.

"Democrats share talking points with bin Laden"

"Our troops are terrorists."

Although, I'm sure you can't see it. Blind radicals never can.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

"Democrats share talking points with bin Laden"

"Our troops are terrorists."

Although, I'm sure you can't see it. Blind radicals never can.

Well the former is true and the latter isn't so my point stands.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Obviously her point was lost on you.

You are a blind radical. You blindly follow radical beliefs, and with that comes a blind hatred of the opposition. You honestly think that democrats are in cahoots with Osama Bin Laden. This is because for your beliefs to even make the slightest amount of sense, there has to be some way to invalidate all of the gaping holes that countless people have poked in them, so thus you first throw them all in one category, and then cast aside that entire category as being associated with our greatest enemy.

For example, you typically put Kelzie and me in the same category, completely ignoring that we are nearly polar opposites on many important issues (i.e. she believes in big government, I believe in small government that's working towards no government, she's a socialist while I'm free market, she believes the European economy is sturdy, while I think it's only propped up by the weakness of the dollar, etc.), but since we agree on certain basic principles (many of which happen to be principles on which this nation was founded, i.e. freedom of speech), you assume NOT ONLY that we're both democrats, but by this we don't support the troops and we're in cahoots with Osama Bin Laden.


And as to her point about you being just as bad as the liberals who call our troops terrorists, I'll try to make it clear to you:
Stalin and Mousallini are considered in the same group, ignoring that they were enemies, and one was a radical right winger and one was a radical left winger. If you go too far to either side you end up in the same place, and that is a baaaaaaaad place. That's why Jerry Falwell and Jesse Jackson are considered just as bad as each other, or why Kim Jung Il is considered just as bad as Iran's prime minister.

Let's take the specifics out of what each of you said, and just analyze what you're saying:
You: "(A large group with no formal association with terrorism, and a formal association against terrorism) shares talking points with (major figure in terrorism)"
Liberals: "(A large group with no formal association with terrorism, and a formal association against terrorism) are terrorists."

Do you get it now?

lol, of course not.

Umm I never said that the Democrats were in cahoots with the terrorists but they sure as hell share the same talking points. Translate the latest O.B.L. tape with a Boston accent and it's Ted Kennedy. It may not be that you agree with the terrorists agenda but you are inadvertantly helping them through the propaganda front. When John Kerry calls the troops terrorists don't you know that it gets played on Aljazeera 24/7? No of course not because the left is a bunch of fifth column useful idiots. That's the category I lump the two of you into you may disagree on economic issues but on the most important issue; the war on terror, you're in total agreement, you don't understand the enemy... sh!t galen you don't even think that an enemy even exists.

Oh and by the by I never said that Toles freedom of speech should be violated, however, my main point is that freedom of speech is a two way street and I have the right to express my disapproval for his insensitive and callious cartoon. I do believe that the liberals haven't totally destroyed the right to dissent in this country, though not for lack of trying. Your idea of free speech Galen, is bullshit you think that all speech should be free unless it's something that goes against your opinion and then of course it is wrong and should be kept out of the public arena of ideas as your attitude on this thread clearly demonstrates.

 

[nkgupta80]

Well the Joint Chief of Staff does not look at it like you do and neither do I.......

Of course you are probably the kind of individual who says they support the troops bu not their mission too so I can understand how you might feel that way about the cartoon..........

I do understand that our troops are trained to follow orders whether they agree with them or not. They fight for our country. I find that very admirable. In that sense i support the troops. However, I do think the war in Iraq (their mission) is unjustified. So my protest is with the administration who sent the troops there not necessarily the actual soldiers.


Back to the cartoon: It is poking fun at rumsfeld, the defense department, etc. Not the troops. yes it portrays an injured soldier in a comical manner. However, its there to simply provide contrast to rumsfeld's disturbing response, "battle-hardened." The underlying point of the cartoon: government doesn't care.

now My question to you, what do you think this cartoon is trying to say? (remember to read the little speech bubble next to rumsfeld).

 

[vergiss]

Umm I never said that the Democrats were in cahoots with the terrorists but they sure as hell share the same talking points. Translate the latest O.B.L. tape with a Boston accent and it's Ted Kennedy. It may not be that you agree with the terrorists agenda but you are inadvertantly helping them through the propaganda front. When John Kerry calls the troops terrorists don't you know that it gets played on Aljazeera 24/7? No of course not because the left is a bunch of fifth column useful idiots. That's the category I lump the two of you into you may disagree on economic issues but on the most important issue; the war on terror, you're in total agreement, you don't understand the enemy... sh!t galen you don't even think that an enemy even exists.

Oh and by the by I never said that Toles freedom of speech should be violated, however, my main point is that freedom of speech is a two way street and I have the right to express my disapproval for his insensitive and callious cartoon. I do believe that the liberals haven't totally destroyed the freedom of speech in this country, though not for lack of trying. Your idea of free speech Galen, is bullshit you think that all speech should be free unless it's something that goes against your opinion and then of course it is wrong and should be kept out of the public arena of ideas as your attitude on this thread clearly demonstrates.

Conclusion: TOT isn't just playing dumb.

 

[nkgupta80]

Oh and by the by I never said that Toles freedom of speech should be violated, however, my main point is that freedom of speech is a two way street and I have the right to express my disapproval for his insensitive and callious cartoon. I do believe that the liberals haven't totally destroyed the freedom of speech in this country, though not for lack of trying. Your idea of free speech Galen, is bullshit you think that all speech should be free unless it's something that goes against your opinion and then of course it is wrong and should be kept out of the public arena of ideas as your attitude on this thread clearly demonstrates.

I don't believe people are telling you to agree with this cartoon. The point of this cartoon is to say that the government doesn't care about the troops. It is a debatable opinion the artist tried to get across. So you like many others are free to disagree with its statement. However, the artist doesn't need to apologize to the joint-cheif of staffs or anyone. If you feel offended, feel offended, thats the point of a lot of social satire.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

I do understand that our troops are trained to follow orders whether they agree with them or not. They fight for our country. I find that very admirable. In that sense i support the troops. However, I do think the war in Iraq (their mission) is unjustified. So my protest is with the administration who sent the troops there not necessarily the actual soldiers.


Back to the cartoon: It is poking fun at rumsfeld, the defense department, etc. Not the troops. yes it portrays an injured soldier in a comical manner. However, its there to simply provide contrast to rumsfeld's disturbing response, "battle-hardened." The underlying point of the cartoon: government doesn't care.

now My question to you, what do you think this cartoon is trying to say? (remember to read the little speech bubble next to rumsfeld).

This is what you don't understand it's not the message that we find offensive though we do disagree with it, it's the way that message is presented, injured troops are not pawns to be used to further one mans political agenda.


What happens when a soldier who support his mission, who is lying in a hospital bed because he had his leg blown of by an IED turns to the editorial section of the Washington Post only to find this sh!t? How do you think that makes him feel?

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

I don't believe people are telling you to agree with this cartoon. The point of this cartoon is to say that the government doesn't care about the troops. It is a debatable opinion the artist tried to get across. So you like many others are free to disagree with its statement. However, the artist doesn't need to apologize to the joint-cheif of staffs or anyone. If you feel offended, feel offended, thats the point of a lot of social satire.

It is not only our right to be offended it is our right to express it through protest. If you don't like the flip side to freedom of speech then you better quit saying that you're in support of the 1st amendment.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Conclusion: TOT isn't just playing dumb.

Conclusion: Vergiss likes to write one liners without actually arguing the points presented.

 

[vergiss]

Conclusion: Vergiss likes to write one liners without actually arguing the points presented.

Dude, you do my job for me.

As Galenrox said, "I almost feel bad shooting down this argument, since it's like shooting retarded fish in a barrel with an AK."

 

[nkgupta80]

It is not only our right to be offended it is our right to express it through protest. If you don't like the flip side to freedom of speech then you better quit saying that you're in support of the 1st amendment.

i never said you don't have the right to protest. I kinda included that under taking offense.

This is what you don't understand it's not the message that we find offensive though we do disagree with it, it's the way that message is presented, injured troops are not pawns to be used to further one mans political agenda.

people have always used injured troops (troops in general) to further political propaganda. The best case of this is when politicians use military heroes to further their own politicla agenda. Kerry used this substantially. Bush administration did a countercampaign that also used it substantially.

and seriosuly, there's no need for justification for this artist to use an injured troop to convey a statement. The statement itself is not poking fun at the troops, and we use violent, disturbing, unethical images all the time in our society.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

Howbout you put up one where the liberals ridicule our military?

The Liberals Elected This Guy Commander in Chief

 

[nkgupta80]

The Liberals Elected This Guy Commander in Chief

im pretty sure it was more than just liberals that elected this president.