AOC Wants an ‘Enemies List’ of Trump Supporters (1 Viewer)

[SCrider]

He's like a broken record. There's no problem if someone like W. Bush gets in power because of daddy, because rich white guys are entitled to rich white guy affirmative action (he's actually agreed with that), but he wastes no opportunity in attributing any success by a black person as affirmative action, which is bad, unless they're on the GOP side, then it's fine. Or something.

Yep, they want to go back to the good old days of white men having all the power, and minorities and women knew their place.
That is what MAGA really stood for.

 

[Deuce]

Right wingers now think it's fascism to *checks notes* remember what they say.

That's not me being hyperbolic. That's what is happening with this thread. Calling it an "enemies list" is indicative of hardcore mental illness.

 

[Visbek]

Wow - she's going full fascist now....

Sigh.

To be clear, I don't agree with AOC's plan/impulse here, and it's pretty pointless. People who worked for the Trump administration or campaign aren't going to apply for a position at the DNC anyway, and anyone looking to hire an ex-Trump staffer is not going to listen to AOC.

That said, it is no surprise that the right -- who blasted anyone who worked for Obama as a threat to the nation itself -- is going completely overboard. This is not the Red Scare, no one will be blackballed from all employment because they were a Trump White House staffer.

And, of course, the Trumpies are just a teeny bit hypocritical here. They spent four years vilifying the left and proclaiming that Democrats were going to utterly destroy the entire nation and leave it a smoldering wreck. What part of that, exactly, was intended to foster a magnanimous spirit?

Oh, wait, I forgot. It's only the right wing that is allowed to viciously attack its rivals, and try to kick them out of government service and public life.

 

[sanman]

There's nobody on the right trying to make a list of AOC supporters or Biden supporters, and get them fired from their jobs, etc.

It's only the garbage Democrat fascists who try to do such things.

The history of socialist movements is rife with such fascist behavior. They never learn.
Instead they just put a halo on and appropriate ever more pretentious titles for themselves ("liberal", "progressive", etc)

 

[apdst]

We had 4 years of "the sky is falling", can we avoid 4 more? Thanks...

Facts aren't "the sky is falling".

 

[upsideguy]

Wow - she's going full fascist now:

AOC Wants an ‘Enemies List’ of Trump Supporters

Does all this seem threatening, like AOC is out hunting enemies of people she considers her political “enemies”?

www.jewishpress.com

Not a particularly good idea. But, Trump supporters have lost the credibility of outrage here as Trump was among the most vindicative leaders this country has ever seen. Unless you can show us a post where you called out Trump for his even more abhorrent [in this case, his petty vindictiveness] behavior, you have no standing to call out others. A head's up, that bolded point will be a theme of argument going forward. Yes, its a whataboutism (and I admitted AoC is petty here), but in almost all cases, I suspect the outrage we hear about the Biden era will be from those that looked the other way at much greater sins under Trump.

Charity Toward None, Malice Toward All

Donald Trump takes a post-impeachment victory lap.

www.theatlantic.com

Letters to the Editor: Trump is acting like a petty, vindictive monarch after impeachment

Does the president's apparent obsession with exacting revenge mean we won't get his "beautiful" healthcare plan or "infrastructure week"?

www.latimes.com

New study identifies a psychological factor linked to Trump supporters' vindictiveness

The desire to matter and feel significant among Donald Trump supporters is associated with support for hostile and vindictive actions against the

www.psypost.org

So, to have any credibility, be prepared to show us your moral outrage under "greater sin" Trump behavior if you expect us to be concerned about your moral outrage going forward.

Welcome to the post- Trump era.

 

[Deuce]

Sigh.

To be clear, I don't agree with AOC's plan/impulse here,

Explain, in your own words, what you think that "plan" even is.

 

[sanman]

Not a particularly good idea. But, Trump supporters have lost the credibility of outrage here as Trump was among the most vindicative leaders this country has ever seen. Unless you can show us a post where you called out Trump, I suggest you have no standing for moral outrage here.

Just a head's up, that bolded point will be a theme of argument going forward. You better be able to show us your moral outrage under Trump to expect us to be concerned about your moral outrage going forward.

Ohh -- which list of enemies did Trump have? Which Democrats got revenge-targeted by Trump supporters?
You're lying.

Trump was a counter-puncher -- if you attacked him, he'd attack back, but then he'd move on.

I remember Bush neo-cons squawking that they weren't being allowed into positions to control foreign policy, but that's because nobody in Trump whitehouse wanted to let these warmongers start new wars.
That's not revenge, that's just keeping the country safe from the hands of warmongers. Those Bushies did get hired into other positions eventually, but ones where they couldn't start wars from.
Sure, I know, even that's enough to piss off you swamp-rats.

 

[Visbek]

Ohh -- which list of enemies did Trump have?

You mean, aside from the list of Republicans who didn't sufficiently support him?

President Trump's enemies list

The president remembers every political slight — and the politicians who abandoned him during the "Access Hollywood" scandal.

www.politico.com

Did you really miss all the chants of "Lock Her Up?" Aimed at Clinton and Whitmer?

How about when Trump demanded that Fox News fire Jennifer Griffin?

Trump demands Fox News to fire reporter who says she confirmed part of Atlantic story - Washington Examiner

President Trump called for a Fox News reporter to lose her job after she said she confirmed parts of a negative story about him.The president called for Fox News to fire Jennifer Griffin over "this kind of reporting" on Friday night, hours after she said she confirmed parts of the Atlantic's...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

When Trump implied he wanted to jail a Time Magazine journalist?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-threatens-reporter-with-prison-time-during-interview/2019/06/21/b622b84c-9420-11e9-b58a-a6a9afaa0e3e_story.html

When Trump demanded that CNN fire Chris Cuomo?

Trump calls on CNN to fire Chris Cuomo over leaked audio: 'Fredo must go!'

President Trump on Wednesday morning called on CNN to fire its most popular host, Chris Cuomo, after the anchor was heard denying apparent sexual-misconduct allegations on a secretly recorded audiotape amid a conversation with former Trump attorney Michael Cohen.

www.foxnews.com

When Trump demanded MSNBC fire Joy Reid?

Trump demands MSNBC fire 'untalented' Joy Reid over 'Muslim' comments

'Such xenophobia and racism on MSDNC,' President Trump tweeted about MSNBC host Joy Reid on Wednesday. 'Anyone else would be gone, and fast!!!'

www.dailymail.co.uk

How about suggesting that we exile members of "The Squad," all of whom are US citizens?

Encouraging a crowd to go after Lebron James?

Trump rally crowd chants ‘LeBron James sucks’

President Trump appeared to segue from politics to sports on Monday as he embarked on a sprint of rallies the day before Election Day.While at a rally in Pennsylvania, a state that i…

thehill.com

Demanding that NFL team owners fire players who take a knee during the National Anthem?

Trump to NFL owners: Fire players who kneel during national anthem

"That's a total disrespect of our heritage. That's a total disrespect of everything that we stand for," he said

www.cbsnews.com

I can understand people reacting negatively to AOC's Tweet. But any Trump supporter who calls her out on this, without acknowledging how Trump and his followers were far more vindictive, is a rank hypocrite.

You know that Trump had a media blacklist, right?

Trump Has A Media Blacklist. If You're A Journalist, You Should Get On It.

History will remember where you stood.

www.huffpost.com

 

[bomberfox]

You can not under data protection laws keep information based on political views, and you can not use or collect lists in order to discriminate.

This is both international law, including data laws and US laws relating to spying on US citizens.

Sure you can. Its done all the time left and right by keeping track of information said person has volunteered to be public information. If they were doxxed, thats a different story.

 

[buck]

Sigh.

To be clear, I don't agree with AOC's plan/impulse here, and it's pretty pointless. People who worked for the Trump administration or campaign aren't going to apply for a position at the DNC anyway, and anyone looking to hire an ex-Trump staffer is not going to listen to AOC.

That said, it is no surprise that the right -- who blasted anyone who worked for Obama as a threat to the nation itself -- is going completely overboard. This is not the Red Scare, no one will be blackballed from all employment because they were a Trump White House staffer.

And, of course, the Trumpies are just a teeny bit hypocritical here. They spent four years vilifying the left and proclaiming that Democrats were going to utterly destroy the entire nation and leave it a smoldering wreck. What part of that, exactly, was intended to foster a magnanimous spirit?

Oh, wait, I forgot. It's only the right wing that is allowed to viciously attack its rivals, and try to kick them out of government service and public life.

I am seeing some very concerning sentiment from the left wing. Whether it was that form Biden staffer calling for gulags for republicans or the more recent comments from those on the political left.

i.e. Jennifer Rubin saying:

“should never serve in office, join a corporate board, find a faculty position or be accepted into ‘polite’ society. We have a list.”

In response to AOC's tweet being discussed in the OP, there was a response from someone with power (I can't recall exactly who, sorry) that they already have a list, then linked to a website that was created for this purpose. Edit: It was a former Obama admin. The group currently has over 4k members.

Maybe it's a bunch of nothing.. But, I would be concerned about these sentiments becoming more mainstream among the left.

 

[calamity]

There's nobody on the right trying to make a list of AOC supporters or Biden supporters, and get them fired from their jobs, etc.

It's only the garbage Democrat fascists who try to do such things.

The history of socialist movements is rife with such fascist behavior. They never learn.
Instead they just put a halo on and appropriate ever more pretentious titles for themselves ("liberal", "progressive", etc)

Actually...

'The Blacklist': Here are the media outlets banned by Donald Trump

Reporters from these newsrooms have been blocked from receiving Trump campaign press credentials.

money.cnn.com

 

[bomberfox]

You can not collect data in relation to sensitive data (special category) in most countries.

Such data includes -

What is special category data?

The GDPR defines special category data as:

• personal data revealing racial or ethnic origin;
• personal data revealing political opinions;
• personal data revealing religious or philosophical beliefs;
• personal data revealing trade union membership;
• genetic data;
• biometric data (where used for identification purposes);
• data concerning health;
• data concerning a person’s sex life; and
• data concerning a person’s sexual orientation.

The collection of such data also infringes rights in relation to the UN International Human Rights Declaration and human rights enshrined under the European Convention on Human Rights and such data for reasons of against people because of their political views also comes in to conflict with US laws and he constitution.

Personal data being key words. Their views are publicly available.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Define “accountable for what they did”.

If you actually need a definition for "accountable for what they did", then there REALLY isn't anything that I can do for you.

If you DO NOT actually need a definition for "accountable for what they did", then asking for one is rather stupid, don't you think?

 

[Atomic Kid]

So pathetic

What's really pathetic is how literacy challenged you are. Archiving public writings, tweets, etc. Is a method for preserving a public record that could be possibly later deleted or removed. So that if someone should later attempt distort the historical record there will exist an avenue through which it can be challenged and rectified. It's not an enemies list.

Maybe this is really the main source of concern from which this emanating.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/how-ensure-trump-preserves-official-documents

Vice President Joe Biden is the presumptive winner of the presidential election. There are surely many things on Biden’s to-do list, but it’s not at all implausible that the Biden administration—and a Democrat-controlled House of Representatives—will probe the excesses of the Trump administration. What will they need to do this? Access to presidential records held by the White House and federal records held by the relevant agencies.

But there’s one problem: Trump officials may seek to destroy sensitive documents during the lame-duck period. The prospect of Trump administration officials destroying documents during the transition has already been raised by oversight groups and the media. And those concerns may be well-founded. The Trump administration has exhibited a general disdain for the rule of law and is unlikely to be a cooperative partner in the transition. More than that, the administration has steadfastly resisted oversight efforts to date, and even prior to the transition, there have been several reports about the Trump White House failing to comply with the preservation requirements of the Presidential Records Act.

Document destruction during the presidential transition could constitute a federal crime, but there are weaknesses in the current legal regime that may make it difficult to hold officials who engage in those acts accountable. Fortunately, Congress, and even ordinary citizens, can take immediate steps to deter such document purges and to help ensure that bad actors who proceed anyway are subject to sanction or prosecution.

 

[Deuce]

Ohh -- which list of enemies did Trump have? Which Democrats got revenge-targeted by Trump supporters?
You're lying.

I mean how about a sitting governor targeted by right wing terrorists does that ****ing count?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Such collection of data would be illegal in relation to surveillance laws which are designed to prevent the US spying on it's own citizens, and which is why you have FISA Courts and other such scrutiny.

It would also come in to conflict with International Human Rights legislation and freedoms as laid out by the UN.

Aside from the fact that your posts are an almost perfect imitation of the posts which would be made by a person who doesn't have the slightest actual idea about what they are claiming, your posts are laughably wrong.

It is very easy for the US government to "spy" on American citizens and the method of doing so has been ruled completely legal by US courts. What is needed is an "information sharing agreement" with a foreign government (and that foreign government is NOT bound by American legislation as to what it does in its own country) such that the information is legally provided to (NOTE - NOT "legally obtained by") the US government. The fact that the methods by which the "providing" agency OBTAINED the information would have been in blatant violation of US law if used by US government personnel in the US is totally irrelevant to whether the information was "legally provided" to the US government.

PS - The position of the US government on the applicability of foreign legislation to the acts of the US government vis-a-vis persons within the jurisdiction of the US government is perfectly clear - that foreign legislation has no applicability whatsoever to the acts of the US government vis-a-vis persons within the jurisdiction of the US government.

 

[Visbek]

Explain, in your own words, what you think that "plan" even is.

Thanks for asking. I'll do better than that. I'll let AOC speak for herself. What a concept.




So, there you have it. No mass firings, no mass arrests, no rounding people up, no blackballing people, no legislation. Just archiving Tweets.

She believes that a bunch of prominent Trump supporters will try to bury their pro-Trump social media posts, and wants to record them for posterity. She's probably right.

Again, I don't think this was a great thing to Tweet. I can understand how a paranoid conspiracy-theory-fueled Trump wing that just lost power by a narrow Electoral College victory (and a sizeable popular vote margin) is super-snowflakey these days, so maybe needling them isn't a good idea. Plus, I don't think anyone will forget the names of the real players here (Miller, Kushner, De Vos etc).

That said, it is stupendously clear that the Trumpers are going WAY overboard.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

We already have ways of holding those who enabled Trump accountable, they are called elections.

And that way would be one heck of a lot better if the US had what the rest of the free, progressive, and democratically governed, world regards as "honest elections".

 

[Mr Person]

Wow - she's going full fascist now:

AOC Wants an ‘Enemies List’ of Trump Supporters

Does all this seem threatening, like AOC is out hunting enemies of people she considers her political “enemies”?

www.jewishpress.com

lol. Says the supporter of a president with literal Loyalty Purges.

And hilariously, as Visbek already pointed out, you are chicken-little'ing about archiving tweets. You are calling the archiving of tweets "full fascist."





Archiving.

Tweets.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

You can not collect data in relation to sensitive data (special category) in most countries.

Such data includes -

What is special category data?

The GDPR defines special category data as:

• personal data revealing racial or ethnic origin;
• personal data revealing political opinions;
• personal data revealing religious or philosophical beliefs;
• personal data revealing trade union membership;
• genetic data;
• biometric data (where used for identification purposes);
• data concerning health;
• data concerning a person’s sex life; and
• data concerning a person’s sexual orientation.

The collection of such data also infringes rights in relation to the UN International Human Rights Declaration and human rights enshrined under the European Convention on Human Rights and such data for reasons of against people because of their political views also comes in to conflict with US laws and he constitution.

Do you realize that the US is NOT a member of the European Union?

Do you realize that the laws of the European Union ONLY apply to the members of the European Union?

Do you realize that William Pitt is no longer the Prime Minister of England?

Do you realize that the Universal Declaration of Human Rights does NOT contain a single reference to data?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

In terms of data, I initially stated that the UN and organisations such as Amnesty International would be concerned at discrimination based on social media posts.

International Law states the following -

Did you know that making a record of public utterances does NOT constitute an "invasion of privacy"?

From the incredible strength that you argue that absolutely no record should ever be kept of any public utterances, I wonder what it was in the past that you said that you don't want anyone to know about.

 

[Moon]

If you actually need a definition for "accountable for what they did", then there REALLY isn't anything that I can do for you.

If you DO NOT actually need a definition for "accountable for what they did", then asking for one is rather stupid, don't you think?

I’m curious as to what qualifies one to be included in an enemies list. “What they did” is rather ill-defined, wouldn’t you agree? In your view, what are things that people did in support of Trump that would qualify them for inclusion on this list?

 

[TurtleDude]

Wow, KamalaHo. Yep you are super mature.

did you ever call out those who called Trump tRump, orange this or that, Cheeto, etc? I bet not. Its time (assuming Biden "won") for four years of payback

 

[TurtleDude]

Well, yeah, she's a black woman who didn't have a rich white daddy to get her into the ivy league. Duh!!

She was a rich mixed race moron, whose father was a PROFESSOR AT STANFORD and she couldn't get in there even with two types of affirmative action PLUS the massive breaks kids of tenured professors get.