Another indication Newsom is running in 2028

[eohrnberger]

It's a misleading map. Here's a more accurate one of the populations.

Actually, I think your map above is more misleading, in that it doesn't take county by county into account, which is how the votes are tallied, are they not?

 

[Linc]

I would LOVE for Newsom to run in 2028.

As a failed governor of California, Gavin Newsom has demonstrated his incompetence in an executive position - just like Kamala Harris demonstrated her incompetence in an executive position (as Border Czar).

I would love for either of these people to be the Democratic Party's nominee for 2028.

It would almost guarantee the GOP another eight years in the White House.

As you’re lying about Newsom, you’ve listened to etc liars building their reich-wing attack portfolio, as they’ve done with every candidate, like Hillary.

 

[Linc]

You are talking about men, just to be clear, thats what a "trans woman" is: a man.

Is that really the hill you want to die on in 2028? Think it over. Good luck.

Imagine what history books will say in years, if they’re truthful, about Democrats intentionally losing elections over trans- and sanctuary issues.

 

[SkyChief]

As you’re lying about Newsom, you’ve listened to etc liars building their reich-wing attack portfolio, as they’ve done with every candidate, like Hillary.

What a remarkably ignorant argument.

Gavin Newsom is California's first governor to see a mass exodus of residents fleeing his poor governance. MILLIONS of Californians have fled to states with lower taxes and less restrictions/regulations.

Before Newsom, every California governor saw a rise in the state's population. Not Newsom, though. He is incompetent, and hands-down the worst governor in California's history. He takes money from California taxpayers, and gives it to illegals!! What a ducking fope Newsom is.

I hope and pray that Newsom will be the 2028 presidential nominee. It will be an easy victory for Newsom's GOP opponent. Or Kamala. She's demonstrated her incompetence.

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah. When Crooked donnie "ran against Obama", Crooked donnie lost.

A turd like donnie trump isn't fit to shine Barack Obamas shoes. Thats just a fact.

Hey, I hate Trump as much as anyone, but the reality is, he beat Hillary, who was the stand-in for Obama because he couldn't run for a third term.

It is accurate. The geographical map is misleading. Empty land doesn't vote.

Except it still elected Trump, didn't it? Let this sink in. Despite Covid, despite January 6th, despite the fact that he is still a clown, he won more votes than anyone else in 2024. Democrats need to start asking themselves why.

Hence your logic being simplistic.

Not at all. You asked if Scranton was more appealing to middle America than California.

Obviously, it was. Biden won in 2020. Harris lost in 2024.

Now, if you want your party to be the party of gender-fluid, purple-haired baristas, then Newsom is your guy.

If you want to appeal beyond that, you need someone who is going to appeal to Joe Sixpack.

A few telling numbers comparing 2020 to 2024.

Biden in 2020 won 56% of union households.
He won 57% of people making between 50K and 100K a year. (what we would consider the middle class.)
He won 65% of Hispanics and 61% of Asians.

How Groups Voted in 2020 | Roper Center for Public Opinion Research

TypeDemographicGroupBidenTrumpSEXMen484553Women525742RACEWhite674158African-American138712Hispanic

ropercenter.cornell.edu

By comparison, Harris only won 53% of union households
She only won 46% of people making between 50-100K
Even more horrifying, she lost people making less than 50K by 2 points!!!
She only won 51% of Hispanics and 55% of Asians

How Groups Voted in 2024 | Roper Center for Public Opinion Research

TypeDemographicGroupHarrisTrumpSEXMen474355Women535345RACEWhite714257African-American118613Hispanic

ropercenter.cornell.edu

Did racism and misogyny play a role? Probably. but ironically, Trump did slightly worse with white people this time around.

He improved by one point with blacks, six points with Asians, and 14 points with Hispanics.

It's expected to be Congress and the presidency.

That's not a reasonable expectation.

Take Obama's win in 2008. He had a Congress of 60-40 Senators and 257-178 in the house. (Although most of those gains were in 2006, not 2008) In 2010, that number shifted by 63 seats in the House, and in the senate, the Dem's majority shrank to 54

If you aren't building lasting relations with those red states/districts, any gains you have there will be transitory.

The measure of Clinton doing fine isn't his winning re-election.

No, the measure of him winning was that people were happy with the job he did.

There is no far left and they don't have far out ideas.

Republicans are far right and they have fanatical, un-American, corrupt, oligarchic policies. You show you have that radicalism.

Hardly, guy. I live in the real world. I voted for Harris, but I had to listen to a lot of my relatives who truly believed Trump was going to do great things, because for some reason. they blocked 2020 out of their minds or blamed the Chinese or some such nonsense.

I don't think Biden was far left, but because of his infirmities, he let the far left dictate the conversation instead of setting the tone himself. And the Democrats lost middle America.

 

[Craig234]

Except it still elected Trump, didn't it? Let this sink in.

Are you kidding?

Despite Covid, despite January 6th, despite the fact that he is still a clown, he won more votes than anyone else in 2024. Democrats need to start asking themselves why.

I've said a big part of why for a long time. Republicans have an enormous propaganda machine and political machine fueled by billions in corrupt spending.

Not at all. You asked if Scranton was more appealing to middle America than California.

No, I didn't. When people elected trump was it because New York or Florida are so attractive to Middle America?

Now, if you want your party to be the party of gender-fluid, purple-haired baristas, then Newsom is your guy.

I'd be happy with that, but it's not Newsom. If you want your party to be the party of the worst traitor in US history, the orange make-up pathological liar, sex criminal, many more types of criminal, then trump is your guy.

If you want to appeal beyond that, you need someone who is going to appeal to Joe Sixpack.

Ya, trump has so many things that should appeal to Joe Sixpack - if you count racism and hyping immigration.

Take Obama's win in 2008. He had a Congress of 60-40 Senators

No, he didn't. Almost the entire Congress was typing up seats, he lost a Senator, another was against his agenda... The window he supposedly had 60 seats was very small and included opponents.

If you aren't building lasting relations with those red states/districts, any gains you have there will be transitory.

See above.

No, the measure of him winning was that people were happy with the job he did.

That's not the measure of him doing a good job. It's one measure but wrongly assumes any president who has a positive approval rating (which trump doesn't) - or maybe even 'won the election' - is 'doing a good job'.

 

[Hamish Howl]

He is disqualified for simping for Charley Kirk.

 

[j brown's body]

IMO it seems Newsom is 'playing national politics' by getting headlines this week for opposing transgender women in women's sports. That he's bothering suggest the sort of thing he'd do to help build a 2028 presidential run. Getting press, 'standing out' from other Democrats, while not offending Democrats too much.

Sounds like he's planning to run as a Republican.

 

[Craig234]

Sounds like he's planning to run as a Republican.

No, that's standard Democrat stuff.

 

[JoeB131]

Are you kidding?

Nope, I'm pointing out the obvious, that if you want to be the party of Purple Haired, Gender Fluid Baristas, you aren't going to win elections. I noticed in all your blabber, you skipped right over the part where Trump improved his standing with Hispanics, Asians, Union Households, and even poor people.

I've said a big part of why for a long time. Republicans have an enormous propaganda machine and political machine fueled by billions in corrupt spending.

And the Democrats don't? The Democrats need to take some responsibility for 2024.

They didn't force Biden out a lot sooner, even though it was clear to everyone he had declined mentally.
They fobbed Harris in as a candidate even though no one really liked her that much.
They let Trump define the parameters of the race.

Yes, the idea that a transgender illegal alien was going to break into your house and castrate your kid and eat your pet was silly and absurd, but what did Harris really counter that with? Mild condescension?

No, I didn't. When people elected trump was it because New York or Florida are so attractive to Middle America?

Well, more than California.

Since Trump and Clinton were both from NY, I don't think NY was a factor in 2016.

I'd be happy with that, but it's not Newsom. If you want your party to be the party of the worst traitor in US history, the orange make-up pathological liar, sex criminal, many more types of criminal, then trump is your guy.

Trump isn't my guy, but you need to accept there's a reason why he's back. If you don't learn the lessons of 2024, you are going to be whining about Vance in 2029.

Ya, trump has so many things that should appeal to Joe Sixpack - if you count racism and hyping immigration.

Again, Trump improved his standing with Hispanics, Asians, and even Blacks, despite the "racism".

Now, my wife is a Chinese Immigrant. She showed me a post that circulated in WeChat (An app used heavily in the Chinese community) where a female pastor circulated a letter praising Trump and denouncing Harris as a "vile woman" (I had to use Google translate to read this letter, so some of the translations might have been inexact.)

Legal Immigrants who followed the rules are concerned about illegal immigration. This is why Trump did better this time with Hispanics and Asians. Given that he declined slightly with whites, you can argue these were the groups that put him over the top.

No, he didn't. Almost the entire Congress was typing up seats, he lost a Senator, another was against his agenda... The window he supposedly had 60 seats was very small and included opponents.

I didn't say Obama used his huge majority smartly (which is why he lost it.) A lot of that Majority was based on his promise to end the Iraq War, which he really didn't do. ObamaCare was well intentioned, but it was a cluster**** that made no one happy.

That's not the measure of him doing a good job. It's one measure but wrongly assumes any president who has a positive approval rating (which trump doesn't) - or maybe even 'won the election' - is 'doing a good job'.

Let's look at that.
He won re-election.
The economy was in great shape when he left.
He had a high approval rating despite being impeached.

Now, I find a lot of Clinton's behavior reprehensible, but the point is, he was a far more successful president than anyone who followed him. Probably because unlike Obama and Biden, he knew how to fight back.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Hey, I hate Trump as much as anyone, but the reality is, he beat Hillary, who was the stand-in for Obama because he couldn't run for a third term.

Ummm, no, Hillary wasnt a "stand in for Obama", Hillary also lost to Obama just like Trump did. Derp.

 

[JoeB131]

Ummm, no, Hillary wasnt a "stand in for Obama", Hillary also lost to Obama just like Trump did. Derp.

Except when she ran in 2016, she ran with Obama's full endorsement and support, as a continuation of his policies. Derp.

Obama would have been better off if he left his legacy in the hands of Biden in 2016.

 

[LouC]

Another indication Newsom is running in 2028​

Good for Gavin!

The Democrat Party needs to steal from the Trump playbook and get on winnowing the wheat from the chaff of potential 2028 candidates now, start today, get on it, ASAP.

Find the ONE and have them be the counter Trump every day.

 

[Craig234]

I just realized a plausible thing - I wonder if Obama and Hillary's 'deal' didn't include just her being Sec of State, but also his endorsing her for president in 2016, explaining Biden not running.

 

[Eriech]

He is disqualified for simping for Charley Kirk.

He is "simping" for Steve Bannon today.

 

[OrphanSlug]

We've had this conversation ad nauseam.

Even though there are certain gaps between west coast liberalism compared to north east liberalism, plenty of similarities but you could argue a slight venn diagram with some differences too, at the end of the day the base will largely unify and support the primary winner. For the most part, if it is Newsom then it just comes down to his running mate and off they go.

The bigger issue is national elections for President are determined by moderates and independents, those are who are subject go going back and forth or staying home. For Newsom to have a path it comes down to convincing those voters, in key districts, that the alternative is a bigger problem.

 

[Hamish Howl]

He is "simping" for Steve Bannon today.

Well, he's all yours.

 

[Eriech]

Well, he's all yours.

Gavin? Just watched it. Interesting that he would feature two of MAGA finest in his first few podcasts. It wasn't as interesting as a face to face confrontation. I'd be worried if Gavin was my standard bearer.

When did he transition? /s

 

[Hamish Howl]

Gavin? Just watched it. Interesting that he would feature two of MAGA finest in his first few podcasts. It wasn't as interesting as a face to face confrontation. I'd be worried if Gavin was my standard bearer.

When did he transition? /s

So would I, if he was.

This is just him pulling a Gary Hart.

 

[Eriech]

So would I, if he was.

This is just him pulling a Gary Hart.

Noticed he interviewed Michael Savage as well. More Gary Hart, Monkey Business? Who is his Donna Rice?

 

[JoeB131]

I just realized a plausible thing - I wonder if Obama and Hillary's 'deal' didn't include just her being Sec of State, but also his endorsing her for president in 2016, explaining Biden not running.

I don't think it was so much a deal than the way things played out.

Biden had no desire to run in 2016 because he was still processing the death of his son. The fire just wasn't there.

Hillary had spent years building up support and donors and endorsements.

Sadly, America is too misogynistic to elect a woman.

If they want to win, they need to support a centrist who will retake the middle.

 

[Perotista]

Not a chance in hell he could win nationally.

I don’t know about that. It all depends on the state of the country or how many voters the Trump administration peeved off along with how the people view him and his administration. This happened last year when 57% of all Americans disapproved of the job Biden and company had done, the results was Trump was elected who had been rejected in 2020 by these same voters.

There are elections where anyone who’s challenging the incumbent will win. It all depends on the situation and circumstances of 2028. Almost any republican would have defeated the democrats last year, the same back in 1980 or 1952. The sitting president was so disliked, the people so unhappy with him it didn’t matter who the opposing party ran. If Trump’s overall job approval is down to around 40% as Biden’s was the democrat will win regardless of who that democrat is come 2028.

 

[Callen]

I don’t know about that. It all depends on the state of the country or how many voters the Trump administration peeved off along with how the people view him and his administration. This happened last year when 57% of all Americans disapproved of the job Biden and company had done, the results was Trump was elected who had been rejected in 2020 by these same voters.

There are elections where anyone who’s challenging the incumbent will win. It all depends on the situation and circumstances of 2028. Almost any republican would have defeated the democrats last year, the same back in 1980 or 1952. The sitting president was so disliked, the people so unhappy with him it didn’t matter who the opposing party ran. If Trump’s overall job approval is down to around 40% as Biden’s was the democrat will win regardless of who that democrat is come 2028.

I can't see it he, rightfully or wrongfully, is seen as an extreme progressive by a large number of voters in key swing States. I could be wrong but I just don't see it. The Dems need a strong, solid liberal who is seen as moderate..even if they aren't!!! Somebody like Shapiro, Moore, Beshear etc...

 

[Craig234]

Biden had no desire to run in 2016 because he was still processing the death of his son. The fire just wasn't there.

That could be true, or a cover story.

Hillary had spent years building up support and donors and endorsements.

Which supports her negotiating for that.

Sadly, America is too misogynistic to elect a woman.

Perhaps, but Hillary is a very flawed candidate.

If they want to win, they need to support a centrist who will retake the middle.

I saw that, and said 'I bet that poster has a more centrist political orientation', and sure enough. Trying to make a Democrat a lot like a Republican thinking that makes them mor electable is a very popular myth for 'centrists'. They don't seem to get a thing about Democratic turnout, because it reinforces them getting a candidate they like more. Truman said voters will pick 'the real Republican' over a Democrat acting like one.

 

[markdc]

Newsom is clearly making a play for 2028 general election voters. The problem for him is that he has to first run in the Democratic Primary, and he’s already in trouble for being a Straight White Man.

Mark