Another Conservative Pundit Gets Another Issue Completely Wrong [W:28]

[Grand Mal]

Re: Another Conservative Pundit Gets Another Issue Completely Wrong

well the study that was discussed for days on this forum noted that liberals tend to give to think tanks that advocate more government redistribution of wealth

we do know that the dems are better served by having lots of people dependent on the government than the GOP

What?
I think I asked how you know that conservatives give more to charity and how, if true, this charity is different from government social assistance.
And how are Democrats better served by having people on welfare? You're about to equate liberal to Democrat, aren't you, and apply typical low-brow conservative bumper-sticker philosophy to make the discussion easy on the brain.

 

[TurtleDude]

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What?
I think I asked how you know that conservatives give more to charity and how, if true, this charity is different from government social assistance.
And how are Democrats better served by having people on welfare? You're about to equate liberal to Democrat, aren't you, and apply typical low-brow conservative bumper-sticker philosophy to make the discussion easy on the brain.

you need to be on this board much longer to make such idiotic assumptions but the fact remains-studies have demonstrated conservatives of a given economic strata give more than similarly situated liberals or democrats and that includes both secular and church based giving

 

[Grand Mal]

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you need to be on this board much longer to make such idiotic assumptions but the fact remains-studies have demonstrated conservatives of a given economic strata give more than similarly situated liberals or democrats and that includes both secular and church based giving

How long until I qualify for your level of idiocy? You haven't answered a simple question, and I'm willing to accept a thoughtful answer, and you've gone from zero to full-blown partisan BS in two posts flat.
You might be a waste of time. We'll see.

 

[CanadaJohn]

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Are you saying drug addicts should just stop using drugs? Does it look that simple to you?

Didn't say that, but it makes more sense than blaming society's ills on conservative talking heads.

 

[KLATTU]

I'm certain progressives take poverty seriously. .

Yes- they do. Which is why they've done such an amazing job of getting rid of it!
Ya think maybe they should wake up and figure out that shedding phony crocodile tears about the poor and throwing govt money(couretsy of the evil rich who pay all the taxes in this country thank you) at the problem is not a solution?

I'm certain progressives take poverty seriously. I'm certain conservatives do not want to discuss the causes and amelioration of poverty, because they say so. .

No actually we do. It's pretty simple. Stay in school. Don't get prgenant while you're an unmarried teenager. Whoops- doesn't require the ' help' of Uncle Sam. Abort.

 

[Woodman909]

Drumming up the conservative fixation on drug abuse, the dubious and apocalyptic Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer predicted in the 80s that "crack babies" would be condemned to "a life of certain suffering, of probable deviance, of permanent inferiority."

A little over 20 years later, Krauthammer's predictions have proven almost embarrassingly inaccurate. Last week, the findings of a 24-year-long study of crack babies revealed that parental use of the drug had little or no direct effect on the children. In the process of investigating the babies, however, researchers discovered another environmental problem that did, in fact, lead to problems with depression, anxiety, cognitive functioning, and a host of other issues: poverty.

This is typical of the conservative media's attempt to deflect attention from the real fundamental issue the US faces -- income inequality -- to secondary issues like drug use.

Get all the rightwing media deflection here.

Crack Babies Grew Up OK; It's Poverty That's the Real Problem - DailyFinance

Why does anybody listen to conservative pundits at all?

All this OP has proven, is that pundits neither libs or cons can predict the future. That is not really such a humungous news flash, is it?

 

[fmw]

Drumming up the conservative fixation on drug abuse, the dubious and apocalyptic Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer predicted in the 80s that "crack babies" would be condemned to "a life of certain suffering, of probable deviance, of permanent inferiority."

A little over 20 years later, Krauthammer's predictions have proven almost embarrassingly inaccurate. Last week, the findings of a 24-year-long study of crack babies revealed that parental use of the drug had little or no direct effect on the children. In the process of investigating the babies, however, researchers discovered another environmental problem that did, in fact, lead to problems with depression, anxiety, cognitive functioning, and a host of other issues: poverty.

This is typical of the conservative media's attempt to deflect attention from the real fundamental issue the US faces -- income inequality -- to secondary issues like drug use.

Get all the rightwing media deflection here.

Crack Babies Grew Up OK; It's Poverty That's the Real Problem - DailyFinance

Why does anybody listen to conservative pundits at all?

Let me see if I understand this. 20 years ago Krauthammer said something you believe was inaccurate. Somehow, what he said 20 years ago deflects attention from what you view as the major current issues today? Did I get that right? The logic is so loose I couldn't keep up.

 

[head of joaquin]

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you need to be on this board much longer to make such idiotic assumptions but the fact remains-studies have demonstrated conservatives of a given economic strata give more than similarly situated liberals or democrats and that includes both secular and church based giving

Rubbish. But of course we've come to expect that of you.

The studies you've cited have been debunked.

 

[TurtleDude]

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Rubbish. But of course we've come to expect that of you.

The studies you've cited have been debunked.

feel free to prove that rubbish you just posted

 

[head of joaquin]

Let me see if I understand this. 20 years ago Krauthammer said something you believe was inaccurate. Somehow, what he said 20 years ago deflects attention from what you view as the major current issues today? Did I get that right? The logic is so loose I couldn't keep up.

Try again. Krauthammer and crew scapegoat drugs and pretend to care about crackbabies, but in fact its just a way to avoid talking about poverty, and as the study shows, poverty is the real measurable danger to kids. But it's easier for conservatives to blame drugs and addicts.

 

[head of joaquin]

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feel free to prove that rubbish you just posted

Already have on numerous occasions. It's hilarious how you keep posting debunked studies. But I guess it's all you got: repeating discredited tea party memes.

 

[TurtleDude]

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Already have on numerous occasions. It's hilarious how you keep posting debunked studies. But I guess it's all you got: repeating tea party memes.

I sure haven't seen you ever posting anything that remotely resembles the proof you claim exists

your obsession with the tea party and "memes" does not count as proof

 

[Shadow Serious]

Drumming up the conservative fixation on drug abuse, the dubious and apocalyptic Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer predicted in the 80s that "crack babies" would be condemned to "a life of certain suffering, of probable deviance, of permanent inferiority."

A little over 20 years later, Krauthammer's predictions have proven almost embarrassingly inaccurate. Last week, the findings of a 24-year-long study of crack babies revealed that parental use of the drug had little or no direct effect on the children. In the process of investigating the babies, however, researchers discovered another environmental problem that did, in fact, lead to problems with depression, anxiety, cognitive functioning, and a host of other issues: poverty.

This is typical of the conservative media's attempt to deflect attention from the real fundamental issue the US faces -- income inequality -- to secondary issues like drug use.

Get all the rightwing media deflection here.

Crack Babies Grew Up OK; It's Poverty That's the Real Problem - DailyFinance

Why does anybody listen to conservative pundits at all?

Charles Krauthammer was giving what was the general view of crack babies in the year 1989. It has been shown to be false now.

Income inequality is in part do to government interference in may aspects of society in particular education. If we had government fund education and have the actual education be done by methods other than government that would help a lot. Furthermore poverty stricken neighborhoods are in part due to negligence of the law enforcement arms of government who fail to show for crimes being committed in a timely matter.

And also governments regulatory authority over establishing business in said neighborhoods tend to put up obstacles to prevent from doing so. That had to do with racism and was continued well after the underlying racism was ended.

 

[Shadow Serious]

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To be clear, I'm pointing out how the rightwing media uses false issues to distract from real ones, especially poverty. Hence the subforum.

But I suspected you try to contort the obvious issue. Conservatives don't want to deal with the poverty their failed policies cause. They can't.

But it's fun to see you defend Krauthammer's lies and fabrications. What else can you do?

Well how about this?

To be clear, I'm pointing out how the leftwing media uses false issues to distract from real ones, especially poverty.


The leftwing media will claim racism is a cause of poverty for minority races and not government policies at all levels of government.




Liberals don't want to deal with the poverty their failed policies cause. They can't.


Such as providing money only to single mothers with children that destroyed the black families in this country and failure to stand against the teachers unions when it comes to the welfare of the children that the State educates.


But it's amusing to see you condemn Krauthammer's statements made more than twenty years ago which was the general view at that time. What else can you do?

I think I did well to fix it. Don't you?

 

[Shadow Serious]

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Then stop trying to derail the thread and go away.

The issue is how the rightwing media constantly spreads falsehoods in order to detract attention from real issues like poverty. Krauthammer's stupid claims are a case in point. The study crystalizes that since not only are crack babies not significantly disabled, but poverty is in fact a key indicator of preventing success. Poverty babies, not crack babies.

There was fairly good reason to believe that the crack babies could have been functionally disabled. After all there were reports of such with other medications and environmental contaminates. Such things can perpetuate poverty.

 

[Shadow Serious]

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Kids really don't have a choice what their parents do, so the real lesson is dealing with poverty since it harms kids.

If you want to believe that poverty is solely caused by crack, you and Krauthammer should write a column together. You can join his weird counterfactuality.

I believe in part that poverty is caused by Democrats who saw off the bottom rungs of the ladder and then toss crumb to those who are now stuck as if they were birds.

 

[Shadow Serious]

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No sniping going on by me. I just proved that Krauthammer is an imbecile by citing a scientific study that showed one of his ridiculous claims was pure dreck. I could do that again and again.

It's easy with conservative pundits for whom facts mean nothing.

That would only apply if he has said that after the study came out. Not 23 or 24 years before.

 

[Shadow Serious]

To argue that drug addiction is the sole cause of poverty in America, or even a significant cause, is tea baggery all the way down.

Drug use is a possible symptom of poverty. From my perspective the War on Drugs is a greater cause of poverty than drugs are. Think of how many families were broken apart due to the drug laws.

More to the point, Krauthammer wasn't arguing that drug use caused poverty and poverty was the real problem. He was arguing that we needed to crack down on drug use, and in this way continue the conservative narrative that poverty is just some natural condition that we needed worry about.

That would be a solution if the consequences were as dire as they thought back then. I am against criminalizing drug use. We now know that the crack babies issue is not dire and any response must be more moderate if one needs one.

 

[Shadow Serious]

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Most people on the right have little interest in doing anything to help the many victims of poverty in the USA.

Most of the people on the "right" believe government causes more poverty than it solves.

 

[Top Cat]

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Isn't that the excessive use of a broad brush? That could be considered *baiting*

It's only baiting it it's not true.

 

[WCH]

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It's only baiting it it's not true.

Even if it's only 'true' in your minds?

 

[P. Kersey]

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...and democrats who advocate wide open borders that allow illegals (who will work for less money) to take jobs away from americans is good for us and the economy? Explain how that works, if you can.
krauthammer is a commentator..essentially a celebrity...No one with any sense cares what celebrities say, anyway, right?