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Another abortion poll, more options

Abortion should be legal:

  • Never

    Votes: 2 3.2%

  • Only in certain "extreme cases" and with a time cutoff for certain of them

    Votes: 4 6.5%

  • Only in certain "extreme cases" (up until birth if still relevant)

    Votes: 2 3.2%

  • By choice, up to a certain time cutoff (please specify), and afterwords in "extreme cases"

    Votes: 37 59.7%

  • By choice, all the way up until birth

    Votes: 12 19.4%

  • For 30+ seconds after birth, if the baby came out faster than expected.

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Other (please explain)

    Votes: 4 6.5%
  • Total voters
    62
trouble13 said:
I support both the mother's and the father's right to abort, up until they turn 18. At that point, I support the parents right to buy them luggage. 😁
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Luggage for what? All of the stuff I bought them for eighteen years? No, that's staying in my house that I also bought.
 
Jkca1 said:
I appreciate your answer. I rely on science to help me make informed opinions. If science tells me human life begins at X weeks. I then have a stake in the ground. Same for the other medical procedures you cited.
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I must say I have noticed you are one of a few posters that doesn't agree with me but so far has always done so in a respectable manner. I tip my hat good sir.
 
Lycanthrope said:
I vote likewise. Beyond 20 weeks a compelling reason should exist.
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Who decides what reason is compelling enough? Some bureaucrat whose medical knowledge came from Facebook?
 
Deuce said:
Who decides what reason is compelling enough? Some bureaucrat whose medical knowledge came from Facebook?
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Since the conditions stated in the OP were "I'm asking for your personal opinion," I decide.
 
Jkca1 said:
I appreciate your answer. I rely on science to help me make informed opinions. If science tells me human life begins at X weeks. I then have a stake in the ground. Same for the other medical procedures you cited.
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This is not a challenge, just a question borne of general curiosity. What is your understanding regarding when a fetus is viable outside the womb, without major medical intervention?
 
roguenuke said:
Choice up to labor, because I'm pretty damn sure that if she's in labor, you can't safely perform an abortion. The purpose of any abortion is to end the pregnancy, for many reasons. But ultimately, that is the purpose of the abortion. Labor means the pregnancy is ending very soon.

But I only say "choice", because almost all restrictions, caveats we put in leave off something that is important and may still need an abortion in those last months.

The decision should be up to the pregnant person and their doctor.
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What are you talking about? Late-term abortions occur when the life of the mother or the deformity of the fetus is in question.
 
Lycanthrope said:
This is not a challenge, just a question borne of general curiosity. What is your understanding regarding when a fetus is viable outside the womb, without major medical intervention?
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You need to define that.
 
Lycanthrope said:
Since the conditions stated in the OP were "I'm asking for your personal opinion," I decide.
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Like on a case by case basis? You're gonna have to hire some staff.
 
Deuce said:
Like on a case by case basis? You're gonna have to hire some staff.
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Yep. I can think of immediate reasons to go beyond 20 weeks (e.g. health risks to the mother) but other than that case by case seems just. :)
 
reflechissez said:
You need to define that.
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Just that - at what point in gestation can a fetus survive outside the womb without heroic measures? From what I have read, 26 weeks is the point when survivability increases dramatically, and without major complications. 22-23 weeks is possible but it requires a great deal of scientific/medical intervention.
 
reflechissez said:
What are you talking about? Late-term abortions occur when the life of the mother or the deformity of the fetus is in question.
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Or possibly the life of another fetus, which are left off here in many cases, laws. Almost no laws cover the life of another fetus (twins, triplets, other multiples are things that happen, and complications could call for abortion of one to save the other(s)).

There are far too many circumstances that get lost, where doctors aren't sure if they legally can perform the abortion when we just leave it at "life of the mother". That's why I support leaving it up to mother and doctor, their determination, not limiting it by law "just in case someone uses it for birth control".
 
roguenuke said:
Or possibly the life of another fetus, which are left off here in many cases, laws. Almost no laws cover the life of another fetus (twins, triplets, other multiples are things that happen, and complications could call for abortion of one to save the other(s)). There are far too many circumstances that get lost, where doctors aren't sure if they legally can perform the abortion when we just leave it at "life of the mother". That's why I support leaving it up to mother and doctor, their determination, not limiting it by law "just in case someone uses it for birth control".
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Doesn't the fertility industry regularly destroy viable embryos? If so, why has there been no call from the right to shut them down?
 
Lycanthrope said:
Doesn't the fertility industry regularly destroy viable embryos? If so, why has there been no call from the right to shut them down?
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Some very few actually do. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's how we got "octomom" some few years back is because she insisted that she couldn't let all those fertilized eggs be destroyed, die. (I could be wrong on this one, I'm just pretty sure that is what I read somewhere about her motives.)
 
Lycanthrope said:
Just that - at what point in gestation can a fetus survive outside the womb without heroic measures? From what I have read, 26 weeks is the point when survivability increases dramatically, and without major complications. 22-23 weeks is possible but it requires a great deal of scientific/medical intervention.
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You need to define that too.
 
Lycanthrope said:
This is not a challenge, just a question borne of general curiosity. What is your understanding regarding when a fetus is viable outside the womb, without major medical intervention?
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22 - 23 weeks.
 
roguenuke said:
Or possibly the life of another fetus, which are left off here in many cases, laws. Almost no laws cover the life of another fetus (twins, triplets, other multiples are things that happen, and complications could call for abortion of one to save the other(s)).

There are far too many circumstances that get lost, where doctors aren't sure if they legally can perform the abortion when we just leave it at "life of the mother". That's why I support leaving it up to mother and doctor, their determination, not limiting it by law "just in case someone uses it for birth control".
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ok
 
Jkca1 said:
I appreciate your answer. I rely on science to help me make informed opinions. If science tells me human life begins at X weeks. I then have a stake in the ground. Same for the other medical procedures you cited.
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Science hasn't really decided this. The closest we can get is to suggest something without a brain is probably not yet a person
 
ChrisIsLeft said:
Yes, late term abortions only happen in extreme cases. A woman can't just walk in and ask for one
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But she should be able to.

People keep talking about late term abortions as though there's women out there who just spontaneously decide to have a month 8 abortion for trivial reasons and I just have to wonder if those people have ever actually listened to a woman. Sure, they've all met and interacted with women, but how can you have such a wild impression of women if you've ever actually listened to them?
 
Deuce said:
But she should be able to.

People keep talking about late term abortions as though there's women out there who just spontaneously decide to have a month 8 abortion for trivial reasons and I just have to wonder if those people have ever actually listened to a woman.
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Yes she should. She owns her body and makes an informed decision. The right think blue haired feminists get pregnant to have a late term abortion to 'show the right'. The right live to harm their opponents and assume we do the same. They are wrong
 
I chose the 4th option, as the majority here have also.
My time cutoff vote would be 12 weeks.
 
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