Angry at the unvaccinated? Here's a better way

[trixare4kids]

There needs to be a triage system in place for overwhelmed hospitals, and if that puts the unvaccinated at the back of the line...... Thoughts and prayers

How can a provider tell who is vaccinated or not? How would a physician know who to send to the back of the line? Have you thought this through?

 

[trixare4kids]

AGAIN, nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. No vaccine is just fine, but stay the **** out of public spaces.

How would you keep them out of public spaces? How would you determine who is vaccinated and who is not?

 

[SCrider]

How can a provider tell who is vaccinated or not? How would a physician know who to send to the back of the line? Have you thought this through?

Vaccine data bases?
I imagine the anti vaxxers would lie about it.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Since, The politician President’s “work around” mandate didn’t work out for the Biden/Harris Administration.

It is now, in the hands of the society that is so concerned about all of those unvaccinated American Citizens alleged crimes against society. To Step Up and get busy pursuing by actually trying to accomplish… to get a Law passed just like that drunk driver Law and all the other Laws mentioned (to make a point) via The American Constitutional Process.

If, that gets done. That will be a great point. Get back to me when that happens.

I don't think laws against the anti-vaxxers are going to happen any time soon, at least not with respect to Covid-19. But that's not my argument. My argument is more abstract, and you're acting like forcing people to get vaccinated is not unusual, either in the abstract, or even in the specific case of vaccinations in general. We both routinely force individuals to comply with societal expectations/norms/laws/rules AND we also have compelled people to get vaccinated or innoculated in various forms since before the beginning of our country. So, when you stake your anti-vax opinion in the same ground as "Give me Liberty or Give me Death" you are making a huge logical and historical mistake. And, generally, this sort of attitude is nothing more than an outgrowth of selfish and spiteful behavior on the part of a particular political bloc (Trump supporters, Republicans, Evangelicals, and Rural Republicans). For anti-vaxxers we need to let them know, they are not victims, they need to get over themselves, they need to stop being selfish. Anti-vaxxers have the right to their opinion. They don't have the right to not be criticized.

 

[Threegoofs]

Why not ? Who’s at risk: the unvaccinated or the individuals who took the vaccine ? Let the unvaccinated individual make that choice…

Do you get the fact that the unvaccinated spread more disease?

Or are you like Trix and afraid to answer?

 

[Threegoofs]

How can a provider tell who is vaccinated or not? How would a physician know who to send to the back of the line? Have you thought this through?

Good point.

Unvaccinated people are inherently antisocial, so they’d lie about it anyway.

 

[iguanaman]

Why not ? Who’s at risk: the unvaccinated or the individuals who took the vaccine ? Let the unvaccinated individual make that choice…

Everyone is at risk because of their hospital overcrowding. Being vaccinated does not prevent accidents heart attacks or stroke.

 

[Big Brother]

How can a provider tell who is vaccinated or not? How would a physician know who to send to the back of the line? Have you thought this through?

Wait a minute, you mean to tell me that americans don't have vaccine passports? Hell, even the swedish have vaccine passports and many of them chose to get a microchip implanted to hold the vaccination data.

 

[iguanaman]

How can a provider tell who is vaccinated or not? How would a physician know who to send to the back of the line? Have you thought this through?

So you assume the unvaccinated will lie and claim they got the vaccine? Doctors know that those with severe covid symptoms are unvaccinated.

How Does Omicron Affect the Fully Vaccinated? Here's What This NYC ER Doctor Says​

Omicron symptoms by vaccine type​

"Every patient I’ve seen with Covid that’s had a 3rd ‘booster’ dose has had mild symptoms. By mild I mean mostly sore throat. Lots of sore throat. Also some fatigue, maybe some muscle pain. No difficulty breathing. No shortness of breath. All a little uncomfortable, but fine," Spencer wrote.

From there, it goes downhill - slowly, though.

"Most patients I’ve seen that had 2 doses of Pfizer/Moderna still had ‘mild’ symptoms, but more than those who had received a third dose. More fatigued. More fever. More coughing. A little more miserable overall. But no shortness of breath. No difficulty breathing. Mostly fine," he said.

For those who just had the one shot of the J&J vaccine and never took a booster, the situation isn't as good.

"Most patients I’ve seen that had one dose of J&J and had Covid were worse overall. Felt horrible. Fever for a few days (or more). Weak, tired. Some shortness of breath and cough. But not one needing hospitalization. Not one needing oxygen. Not great. But not life-threatening," he tweeted.

And then there are the unvaccinated, who by all data are being hospitalized at a rate 15x or more the vaccinated.

"And almost every single patient that I’ve taken care of that needed to be admitted for Covid has been unvaccinated. Every one with profound shortness of breath. Every one whose oxygen dropped when they walked. Every one needing oxygen to breath regularly," he said.

Spencer's recommendations were straightforward -- get vaccinated if you haven't, get a second dose of something else if you've had one J&J shot, and if you're eligible, get a booster.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/cor...d-heres-what-this-nyc-er-doctor-says/3476817/

 

[Overitall]

Wait a minute, you mean to tell me that americans don't have vaccine passports?

Only in certain democratic cities. The vaccine card works essentially the same as passports.

FAQ: DC Now Requires Proof of COVID-19 Vaccine to Enter Many Businesses

D.C. will mandate you show proof you’re vaccinated against COVID-19 to enter restaurants, gyms, venues and more starting tomorrow.

www.nbcwashington.com

Hell, even the swedish have vaccine passports and many of them chose to get a microchip implanted to hold the vaccination data.

Sweden is but one centralized country. The United States is just that -- States that are united by a common document agreement. What works in Sweden wouldn't work in the United States simply because of the way States treasure their independence from each other.

 

[Deuce]

Of my extended family, only one uncle is unvaccinated. Up to eight now since Christmas who have been infected. Everyone is fine, mild symptoms, except the unvaccinated uncle. He has been in the hospital for more than three weeks, struggling for breath and in pain the whole time. He has been on a ventilator for over a week now, a machine harshly forcing air into his lungs to try and get every last bit of oxygen he can. It hurts. Every single breath hurts. They had to sedate him, he couldn't take it anymore. He has been suffering for weeks.

He's going to die. His lungs are done. Even if the virus disappears today, there's too much damage. He could have protected himself, and he chose not to. An aunt is losing a husband, my cousins are losing a father, and their family is going to be saddled with a huge debt even with the health insurance.

Don't ****ing tell me not to be angry.

 

[prometeus]

How would you keep them out of public spaces? How would you determine who is vaccinated and who is not?

Are you vaxed? Did you get proof?

 

[Big Brother]

Only in certain democratic cities. The vaccine card works essentially the same as passports.

FAQ: DC Now Requires Proof of COVID-19 Vaccine to Enter Many Businesses

D.C. will mandate you show proof you’re vaccinated against COVID-19 to enter restaurants, gyms, venues and more starting tomorrow.

www.nbcwashington.com

Sweden is but one centralized country. The United States is just that -- States that are united by a common document agreement. What works in Sweden wouldn't work in the United States simply because of the way States treasure their independence from each other.

All of Europe seems to have vaccine passports. Strange that Biden hasn't figured out a way to introduce it across america.

BTW, thanks for the heads up. I owe you one.

 

[screenwriter]

You’re avoiding the issue.

Vaccinated people spread the virus much less than unvaxxed do. You’re supposition that they are involved in riskier behavior is absurd.

Peltzman effect - not a new thing.

 

[Ethel2]

Good answer



This attempt to charge the unvaccinated might very well happen down the road.... I'm left wondering though how obtaining information to assess the unvaccinated would happen as it violates the privacy of the patient/physician relationship, as in HIPAA

I don’t know how that works for health insurance. I think for life insurance you have to sign a waver giving the insurer access to your medical records.

Edit: health and life insurance companies can only access your medical records if you give them permission to do so.
What could happen is that they could deny coverage unless you do give them such permission. That sounds reasonable to me. They have to know who and what they are insuring.

 

[screenwriter]

There needs to be a triage system in place for overwhelmed hospitals, and if that puts the unvaccinated at the back of the line...... Thoughts and prayers

You willing to put the obese at that back of the line too? Drinkers? Smokers? Drug users? (and the list goes on and on)

 

[Ethel2]

You willing to put the obese at that back of the line too? Drinkers? Smokers? Drug users? (and the list goes on and on)

Gosh
Could you point me in the direction of the safe and effective vaccines for obesity, smoking, drinking, and drug users?
Not a particularly smart post.

 

[trixare4kids]

Ever been to school? We force innocent children to get vaccinated, and no one except blithering idiots ever had a problem with it.

The U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday blocked an emergency federal rule requiring large private employers, as well as school districts and other public employers in more than half the states, to implement either a COVID-19 vaccine mandate or testing and masking rules.

“The regulation … operates as a blunt instrument,” a 6-3 court said in its unsigned majority opinion in National Federation of Independent Business v. Department of Labor (No. 21A244). “It draws no distinctions based on industry or risk of exposure to COVID–19.”

Supreme Court Blocks Biden Vaccine Mandate Applying to Schools in Much of the Country

The justices ruled 6-3 to stay an Occupational Health and Safety Administration rule that covered schools in 26 states and two territories.

www.edweek.org

 

[Parrish]

Are you vaxed? Did you get proof?

I got proof by being given a card from the CDC and sent to my PCP by the pharmacy where they were administered.

 

[prometeus]

I got proof by being given a card from the CDC and sent to my PCP by the pharmacy where they were administered.

Then it is so very easy to show proof. Maybe some people just got a UV light shoved up their ass and believe that to be the vaccine and of course that is not easy to prove.

 

[SCrider]

Let's bring back small pox, tuberculosis and another diseases that have been almost wiped-out due to vaccines. That should make MAGA for sure.

 

[iguanaman]

Only in certain democratic cities. The vaccine card works essentially the same as passports.

FAQ: DC Now Requires Proof of COVID-19 Vaccine to Enter Many Businesses

D.C. will mandate you show proof you’re vaccinated against COVID-19 to enter restaurants, gyms, venues and more starting tomorrow.

www.nbcwashington.com

Sweden is but one centralized country. The United States is just that -- States that are united by a common document agreement. What works in Sweden wouldn't work in the United States simply because of the way States treasure their independence from each other.

Many States treasure the money they get from the Feds more. That is the problem. They can't be "independent" and dependent at the same time.

 

[bomberfox]

I dont think you will ever convince an antivaxxer. I’ve tried everything in the book only to get “i will only get it if it is 100% effective”. At that point i simply gave up. Vaccine hesitancy can be dealt with.

 

[Ethel2]

I dont think you will ever convince an antivaxxer. I’ve tried everything in the book only to get “i will only get it if it is 100% effective”. At that point i simply gave up. Vaccine hesitancy can be dealt with.

Greece is convincing those at highest risk this way. Makes sense to me, but I would include everyone over age 18:

“
ATHENS, Greece -- Greece Monday imposed a vaccination mandate for people over age 60, as coverage remains below the European Union average and a recent spike in infections has sustained pressure on hospitals.

Older people failing to get vaccinated will face penalties, starting at a 50-euro ($57) fine in January and followed by a monthly fine of 100 euros ($114) after that.”

 

[CharisRose]

1. Most of the U.S. eventually implemented polio vaccine mandates for children. And this implementation was done through admission to public schools. The reason why it was done this way was because polio posed more of a risk to children than other age groups. And this crap being posted by others in this thread that there are opt-outs available for contemporary vaccine mandates is horse shit. Most school districts allow only religious exemptions, and those are rare. And even the people that were using that a religious exemption as an excuse to not get vaccinated due to vaccination fears were lying to begin with.

2. Also, the polio didn't meet the same resistance the mRNA vaccines are meeting now because we didn't have this strange right-wing propaganda campaign against vaccines that we do now.

A tale of two vaccines: The battles to fight polio and COVID-19

Church bells rang out. Car horns honked. Stores painted “Thank you, Dr. Salk” on their windows. Synagogues and churches held services of thanksgiving.It was 1955 in America. Dr. Jonas S…

www.sandiegouniontribune.com

3. I don't understand why Trump supporters, Republicans, Evangelicals, and anti-vaxxers in general were so selfish during the Delta wave. Is it really such a crazy idea to get vaccinated for the health and benefit of other people?

1. That POTUS did not do “a work around” mandate like the current POTUS attempted and failed to get an Okay from The Supreme Court…which didn’t happen.
It isn’t crap, it is a Legitimate Law. The Legal System will need to deal with those alleged liars until the legal system proves they are liars.

2. The great polio vaccine versus The questionable Trump vaccine until it became very popular under the Biden/Harris Administration… that one?

3. The sentence starts with Trump supporters as being # 1 in the list and then #’s 2, 3, and 4 are all being connected with #1… as being selfish.
Followed by a sentence about all of those people mentioned in the first sentence…as all having the same exact “crazy idea”.

By what kind of understanding can anyone come to an alleged conclusion that everyone of those people are just being selfish combined with all of them also having the same exact “crazy idea”?

The first sentence reminded me of a stereotype. The use of the word understand prompted me to check out the definition of that word.

Stereotype - Definition, Meaning & Synonyms

A stereotype is a preconceived notion, especially about a group of people. Many stereotypes are rooted in prejudice — so you should be wary of them.

www.vocabulary.com

Understand - Definition, Meaning & Synonyms

To understand something is to comprehend or get it. The more we learn, the more we understand.

www.vocabulary.com

Understanding - Definition, Meaning & Synonyms

To be understanding is to be sympathetic to someone’s woes. Understanding a concept means you get it. Your understanding might be that your mother will always drive you to school if you miss the bus.

www.vocabulary.com