Americas second black President

[spud_meister]

IMO, Carson would combine the worst qualities of our last two Presidents in one package.

Being black and being conservative?

 

[Andalublue]

Right - Obama was elected because he was a Harvard trained constitutional lawyer and sitting Senator of a large state :roll: You should consider a career in stand-up comedy - you're a natural.

So, what're you actually saying, John? Why do you think he was elected?

 

[Jango]

Being black and being conservative?

Lol. You obviously read my entire post but decided to snip out the part where I explained that statement: 1) no executive experience & 2) religious nut.

 

[fedup]

Being black and being conservative?

You do acknowledge how intellectually dishonest it is to cut out parts of a quote to make it look bad, right? In that very quote he explained the two qualities that would make Ben Carson a bad President, and neither had to do with him being a black conservative.

 

[CanadaJohn]

So, what're you actually saying, John? Why do you think he was elected?

I can't for the life of me determine why Obama, a thoroughly unqualified and unaccomplished man, was first elected and it defies logic to explain why the man, a complete failure in his first term, was then reelected. And it certainly wasn't because he was educated at Harvard and definitely not because he served about 2 years out of a 6 year term as a Senator from Illinois.

 

[Threegoofs]

I can't for the life of me determine why Obama, a thoroughly unqualified and unaccomplished man, was first elected and it defies logic to explain why the man, a complete failure in his first term, was then reelected. And it certainly wasn't because he was educated at Harvard and definitely not because he served about 2 years out of a 6 year term as a Senator from Illinois.

Maybe your failure to understand reflects more upon your lack of understanding rather than everyone else being wrong....

 

[Andalublue]

I can't for the life of me determine why Obama, a thoroughly unqualified and unaccomplished man, was first elected and it defies logic to explain why the man, a complete failure in his first term, was then reelected. And it certainly wasn't because he was educated at Harvard and definitely not because he served about 2 years out of a 6 year term as a Senator from Illinois.

I see, so you don't know any reasons for why he was elected, just a few that definitely weren't a part of the decision. Very helpful and, may I say, highly disingenuous.

 

[calamity]

I have been following the political career of Ben Carson very closely since he burst onto the scene when he upstaged President Obama with his National Prayer Breakfast speech last year. I was one of the many that was impressed with Dr Carsons post-affirmative action vibe. Dr Carson spoke about the need for Americans to refuse to allow political correctness to silence debate on emotional political issues. Dr Carson called political correctness "dangerous" and "a horrible thing". I fully agree with Ben Carson about the need to ignore political correctness that stiffles honest debate on serious issues such as Affirmative Action.
“We’ve reached a point where people are actually afraid to talk about what they want to say, because somebody might be offended,” Carson said. “We’ve got to get over this sensitivity and it keeps people from saying what they really believe.”


“The vast majority of people in this country actually have common sense; the problem is they’ve been beaten into submission,” - Ben Carson


Since his great speech Mr Carson has been a regular contributor to Fox News and in my opinion he stands out as a modern conservative that has the right vision to bring Americans together. I do not see Ben Carson as being a black or white. I do not see Ben Carson as being left or right. I see him as being an American that has a positive vision for the nation of the USA.


The great speech that put Carson on the US political map covered more than the scourge of modern political correctness. Carson is clearly an honest man that is not afraid to speak the truth, even in relation to Americas decline and the causes for it.

“I think particularly about ancient Rome. Very powerful — nobody could even challenge them militarily…they destroyed themselves from within,” Carson continued. “Moral decay. Fiscal irresponsibility.”


“And one of our big problems right now…our deficit is a big problem,” he said, as Obama sat listening. ”Think about it — and our national debt — $16 and a half trillion dollars.”


Ben Carson is the truth. Ben Carson is not a career politician but a man that has come to politics due to a sense of duty and obligation. America needs Ben Carson and it seems that he knows it.


One of the qualities that Carson possesses is that he is always calm. Carson recently said some words in defense of the NFL player that was fired for punching his girlfriend in an elevator. I was interested to hear Carson explain his thinking because I certainly had no sympathy for the NFL player. Carson explained that as a society we must avoid demonizing any individual. I agree with this. I studied childcare and I know that with behaviour management it is important to address the behaviour and not the individual so as to avoid things such as labelling of a child. Of course adults must have personal responsibility and there must be consequences for ones actions but I agree with Carson that we need to avoid demonizing individuals. Dr Carson is one of Americas leading neuroscientists and I agree with him that the NFL player involved in the assualt clearly has deep psychological issues that need to be treated. A civilized society does not demonize or bully an individual and I fully agree with Carson on that.

"Bullies do whatever they can get away with and keep pushing boundaries until they meet resistance." - Ben Carson.

“I went from the bottom of the class to the top of the class, much to the consternation of the students who called me ‘dummy,’ ” he says with a grin. “Now they were coming and saying, ‘Benny, Benny, come help me with this problem.’ I’d say, ‘Come sit at my feet while I instruct you, youngster.’ I was perhaps a little obnoxious, but it sure felt good to say that to those turkeys.” - Ben Carson


I see Ben Carson as being the best man that the Republican Party has to take back the Whitehouse. I am also a fan of Scott Walker. Walker is a winner and has the swagger that the Republican party needs going forward. A Carson/Walker Presidential Campaign would cover all bases and help the American get back on track in my opinion.

Do you agree that Ben Carson is the best man for the job of US President?

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He is too much of a Bible thumper for my blood. But, other than that, he's not any worse than Cruz, Perry, and the rest of the clowns we usually see coming from the Right. I'd vote for Romney or Jeb over Hillary, but I couldn't vote for another religious conservative.

 

[CanadaJohn]

I see, so you don't know any reasons for why he was elected, just a few that definitely weren't a part of the decision. Very helpful and, may I say, highly disingenuous.

Not at all disingenuous - I responded to a post that cited his education and stint as a Senator as two reasons why he was elected President and I said they were nonsense. Disingenuous is spewing nonsensical reasons for the President's election such as the ones given.

If you don't like my answer, too bad, so sad, suck it up and try to get through the day.

 

[CanadaJohn]

Maybe your failure to understand reflects more upon your lack of understanding rather than everyone else being wrong....

My failure to understand reflects my higher opinion of the American public and voter which was sorely challenged by the past two Presidential elections, your blindness to the obvious notwithstanding.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

My failure to understand reflects my higher opinion of the American public and voter which was sorely challenged by the past two Presidential elections, your blindness to the obvious notwithstanding.

Not voting for McCain and Romney in the election is a sign of stupidity?

 

[Ockham]

Not voting for McCain and Romney in the election is a sign of stupidity?

Frankly I can't fault anyone for skipping McCain - his propensity to use the military for ever damn thing that comes down the pike is disturbing to say the least. Romney however would have been heaven compared to a second term of Obama, but what if's are a fools game.

 

[Capster78]

If your entire threat had not started out as "the second Black President" I would have probably paid more attention to it. Is it more important that he is black, or that he has great ideals. That's all I am saying.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Frankly I can't fault anyone for skipping McCain - his propensity to use the military for ever damn thing that comes down the pike is disturbing to say the least. Romney however would have been heaven compared to a second term of Obama, but what if's are a fools game.

That is assuming that Romney would be able to work with both houses of congress.

 

[a351]

Carson is an absolute joke. Anyone who actually thinks he has a punching chance in 2016 is as well.

 

[Ockham]

That is assuming that Romney would be able to work with both houses of congress.

I don't know I didn't see anything that would demonstrate he wouldn't have.... he seemed to do well in Mass when he was governor and that's all we really have to go on. His father worked with Democrats in Michigan.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

I don't know I didn't see anything that would demonstrate he wouldn't have.... he seemed to do well in Mass when he was governor and that's all we really have to go on. His father worked with Democrats in Michigan.

But would he be ably to stop the bad blood infecting congress?

 

[Ockham]

But would he be ably to stop the bad blood infecting congress?

It was already festering for the past what 12 years? I don't think he could accomplish that miracle but I'm almost sure he would have stopped it from growing more derisive.

 

[Andalublue]

Not at all disingenuous - I responded to a post that cited his education and stint as a Senator as two reasons why he was elected President and I said they were nonsense. Disingenuous is spewing nonsensical reasons for the President's election such as the ones given.

What's disingenuous is claiming to have no idea why he was elected, while claiming certainty in your belief that his education and experience weren't crucial factors. I think you have a theory, you just don't want to share it. As I said, disingenuous.

 

[CanadaJohn]

Not voting for McCain and Romney in the election is a sign of stupidity?

Clearly, doubling down on disaster in 2012 wasn't a shining moment for the American voter's level of intelligence.

 

[CanadaJohn]

But would he be ably to stop the bad blood infecting congress?

Better than Obama - hell yeah.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Better than Obama - hell yeah.

how would he be able to get stuff past the senate led by harry Reid?

 

[CanadaJohn]

What's disingenuous is claiming to have no idea why he was elected, while claiming certainty in your belief that his education and experience weren't crucial factors. I think you have a theory, you just don't want to share it. As I said, disingenuous.

And you apparently believe Obama was elected based on his education and his 2 or so years as an ineffectual Senator from Illinois. I'd rather be falsely accused of being disingenuous than be clearly pegged as idiotic.

Show me one person who believes Obama was elected because of his education and Senate stint and I'll show you a bald-faced liar.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Ben Carson is the best person considering a run for president in 16. I don't think he would be the best president because of his lack of executive experience. We've already suffered through six years of no executive experience and it's obvious how important that experience is. I think successful governors probably make the best presidents.

There are differences between the two. If Dr Carson managed to get elected, I believe he would build a cabinet of able people to advise him and run the government. "Hussein" Obama simply hired ideological misfits.....mostly Clinton leftovers. I do agree that governors make the best presidents. Ofcourse Jimmuh Carter is the exception.

 

[CanadaJohn]

how would he be able to get stuff past the senate led by harry Reid?

Same way he got stuff passed in the Massachusetts State congress that was somewhere between 80 and 90% Democrat. Usually, that's accomplished by making progress about issues and policy not about personalities. Obama is all about himself and his inflated view of his talents/intelligence - every issue is about him. We'll never know, for certain, but if you believe Washington under Obama is functioning as best it can, I've got nothing that will assist you.