Capitalism is at Odds with Christian values...
Just so. Capitalism does not demand that you exploit others for personal gain. It is amoral; it is merely unconcerned whether you exploit others for personal gain or not.
I fail to see how that would be the case.
Capitalism is just a set of economic rules.
There's nothing inherently "unChristian" about those rules.
There's nothing in Capitalism that says you have to lie, cheat, or steal to get ahead.
There's nothing about Capitalism that says you have to step on the little guy to get ahead.
There's nothing to Capitalism that says you have to hoard profits or turn those profits towards selfish personal ends.
One can adhere to the principals of Capitalism unfailingly and still remain a "textbook" Christian.
What might be at odds with Christianity are people.
People, even many Christians, even many very vocal Christians, are at odds with Christianity.
They aren't at odds with Christianity because of Capitalism but rather despite it.
People who make the claim that Christian values are at odds with capitalism are invariably those people who want to take our money and spend it on themselves and theirs and call that "social justice." What it is is theft born of envy. .
Please provide your evidence for this ridiculous claim.
That'll be the day.
Which claim are you referring to? That "Christians" who support the transfer economy are takers/looters or that demands for "social justice" arise from envy? Either one ought to be self evident.
Is freedom of choice "a Christian value"? We can give a bunch of different definitions to "capitalism" and "Christian values", but this is the first question to answer.
Well, we might want to first define what freedom of choice is. The "freedom" of people without capital to be exploited by those with capital or to starve is the kind of definition that libertarians usually start with. They just don't want to admit it.
That's the problem. It rewards those who do exploit others for personal gain. Such a system is contrary to the gospel message on its face.
What's evident is that you're just making stuff up as usual to fit your ugly ideology, which regrettably you claim is associated with the gospel.
Nothing happening here folks.
silly socialist, they never have been able to figure out that everybody exploits others for their own personal gain...regardless of what economic rules are at work.
A looter who covers himself with a patina of Christianity. Now that's what's ugly.
Any number of surveys show that liberals give very little to charity personally. They think that calling for others to be taxed and for the proceeds to be given to people who will vote for their party absolves them of any personal responsibility in that regard. That's ugly and certainly not Christian.
No, no! As they say, it is only under capitalism that Man exploits Man. Under socialism, it's the other way around.
I guess the most embarrassing question they refuse to ask themselves is: "Capitalism" - as opposed to what, exactly?
A totally legitimate question and the answer is regulated capitalism, in the form of social democracy, with a decent social safety net to protect those who for whatever reason find themselves without capital or the means to obtain it, and various programs to insure that resources and opportunity are available to everyone, not just the rich, including public education, a progressive income tax, an estate tax, and affordable health care.
Because of the extremism of certain elements in the US conservative movement, "capitalism" has come to mean corporate capitalism without any regulated to benefit anybody but the rich. I suspect that the participants in the poll had that definition in mind when the responded.
I fail to see how that would be the case.
Capitalism is just a set of economic rules.
There's nothing inherently "unChristian" about those rules.
There's nothing in Capitalism that says you have to lie, cheat, or steal to get ahead.
There's nothing about Capitalism that says you have to step on the little guy to get ahead.
There's nothing to Capitalism that says you have to hoard profits or turn those profits towards selfish personal ends.
One can adhere to the principals of Capitalism unfailingly and still remain a "textbook" Christian.
What might be at odds with Christianity are people.
People, even many Christians, even many very vocal Christians, are at odds with Christianity.
They aren't at odds with Christianity because of Capitalism but rather despite it.
Just so. Capitalism does not demand that you exploit others for personal gain. It is amoral; it is merely unconcerned whether you exploit others for personal gain or not.
People who make the claim that Christian values are at odds with capitalism are invariably those people who want to take our money and spend it on themselves and theirs and call that "social justice." What it is is theft born of envy.
capitalism = individual rights plus access to a free market. That's really all there is to it. It's what happens spontaneously when a free people living under the rule of law associate. How does that become incompatible with Christianity unless Christianity is distorted by concepts of "social justice" and confiscation of property by threat of force? Christianity is not the morality of theives. Compassion and charity are the fruits of the Spirit freely and spontaneously given according to the conscience of the believer. By law, the government collecting taxes has nothing whatsoever to do with Christian charity.
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