American Religious Fundamentalists Fight To Establish A Theocracy As Religion Declines In The US

[Somerville]

GOD certainly answers my prayers. Not always the way I wish them, but I see GOD working in my life --- the lives of my friends, and throughout society. Other gods wouldn't answer my prayers if was praying to someone/thing else (the wrong one). I assume that you believe that the everything that exists came about by natural processes ---- that pretty much is a superstition on your part or an old wives tale accepted by those that do not believe in the supernatural... However, you cannot prove anything of the sort.

Nor can you prove that your god is real or that your religion is the only TRUE one. Those of us who believe and have studied the subject have way more factual support for the concept of an earth that has been in existence for just a few more years than you believe to be the days of existence.

 

[LittleNipper]

Nor can you prove that your god is real or that your religion is the only TRUE one. Those of us who believe and have studied the subject have way more factual support for the concept of an earth that has been in existence for just a few more years than you believe to be the days of existence.

I believe GOD and not you. And I firmly see exactly where your values are taking society and it isn't a wonderful world for children that you are establishing.

 

[Somerville]

I believe GOD and not you. And I firmly see exactly where your values are taking society and it isn't a wonderful world for children that you are establishing.

Oh please tell us -- WHERE are MY values taking society? WHAT are my values and how are they harming children?

Those of us who bother to read not just the sources that support our values but also the outlets that you use to make your claims have a better grasp of what is happening in America. Sadly, the nation seems to be ever more divided at this time than at any other time since 1860.

 

[Lisa]

Well, send your kid to a humanistic secular institution that you pay for. I want what is BEST for the kids at large and not just what you desire.

I am a Humanist and I have been for 20 years. There are no secular humanist education institutions. We aren't a religion. We are the opposite of a religion.

Religious vs. Secular Humanism: What's the Difference?

The nature of religious humanism and the relationship between humanism and religion is of profound importance for humanists of all types.

www.learnreligions.com

 

[LittleNipper]

Oh please tell us -- WHERE are MY values taking society? WHAT are my values and how are they harming children?

Those of us who bother to read not just the sources that support our values but also the outlets that you use to make your claims have a better grasp of what is happening in America. Sadly, the nation seems to be ever more divided at this time than at any other time since 1860.

Well, for starters --- when I was a kid I didn't hear of the term transgender let alone try to fathom it out. Your values are taking society further down the sexual gutter, and children are being fed a load of bull that shouldn't even be heard by adults let alone kids...

 

[LittleNipper]

Nor can you prove that your god is real or that your religion is the only TRUE one. Those of us who believe and have studied the subject have way more factual support for the concept of an earth that has been in existence for just a few more years than you believe to be the days of existence.

Prove to me that GOD isn't real. “Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruits; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. “A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit; neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. “Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” (Matt. 7:15–20).
Prove that this statement is false.

 

[Somerville]

Prove to me that GOD isn't real. “Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruits; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. “A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit; neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. “Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” (Matt. 7:15–20).
Prove that this statement is false.

Define a "good tree" and a "corrupt tree" Your quote from the KJV is actually verses 17 & 18. NOT 7:15-16 or 20

NRSV Matthew 7:19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.

When the discussion begins with a warning about "false prophets" and ends with those bearing bad fruit being burned, one must wonder about that 'ever loving' deity you worship.

 

[Somerville]

Well, for starters --- when I was a kid I didn't hear of the term transgender let alone try to fathom it out. Your values are taking society further down the sexual gutter, and children are being fed a load of bull that shouldn't even be heard by adults let alone kids...

Often those who are most afraid of certain 'others' have desires that frighten them. As a consequence, they attack those 'others' in an attempt to suppress their own desires.

Depending upon your age, you may not have attended school with kids who had darker skin than yours, but most kids today do have classmates and friends with different racial heritage.

I hadn't heard the term "transgender" when I was a kid either, but I had read about some people undergoing surgery in order to change their gender. The desire/need to change one's sex has been a part of human history as far back as we know today.

• c. 7,000 BCE c. 1700 BCE Among the sexual depictions in Neolithic and Bronze Age drawings and figurines from the Mediterranean are, as one author describes it, a “third sex” human figure having female breasts and male genitals or without distinguishing sex characteristics. In Neolithic Italy, female images are found in a domestic context, while images that combine sexual characteristics appear in burials or religious settings. In Neolithic Greece and Cyprus, figures are often dual-sexed or without identifying sexual characteristics.
• c. 2900 BCE c. 2500 BCE A burial of a suburb of Prague, Czech Republic, a male is buried in the outfit usually reserved for women. Archaeologists speculate that the burial corresponds to a transgender person or someone of the third sex.

Perhaps the earliest known American to undergo sex-reassignment surgery

Christine Jorgensen, original name George William Jorgensen, Jr., (born May 30, 1926, New York, New York, U.S.—died May 3, 1989, San Clemente, California), American who captured international headlines in the early 1950s as the first person in the United States to undergo a successful gender-reassignment operation.

From an early age, Jorgensen was tormented by feelings of being a woman trapped inside a man’s body. Jorgensen served in the U.S. Army (1945–46) . . . After being treated with extensive psychotherapy and a series of hormone injections, Jorgensen underwent several surgical operations and, with the announcement of her transformation in 1952, became an instant celebrity.

 

[LittleNipper]

Define a "good tree" and a "corrupt tree" Your quote from the KJV is actually verses 17 & 18. NOT 7:15-16 or 20



When the discussion begins with a warning about "false prophets" and ends with those bearing bad fruit being burned, one must wonder about that 'ever loving' deity you worship.

Hitler was a false prophet. What happen to many of the head Nazis after World War II ended? The Third Reich was to last 1000 years ---- did it? That was a false prophecy. Perfect example of a false prophet and a corrupt tree (Hitler/Nazi Germany).

 

[LittleNipper]

Often those who are most afraid of certain 'others' have desires that frighten them. As a consequence, they attack those 'others' in an attempt to suppress their own desires.

Depending upon your age, you may not have attended school with kids who had darker skin than yours, but most kids today do have classmates and friends with different racial heritage.

I hadn't heard the term "transgender" when I was a kid either, but I had read about some people undergoing surgery in order to change their gender. The desire/need to change one's sex has been a part of human history as far back as we know today.



Perhaps the earliest known American to undergo sex-reassignment surgery

The fact of the matter is that such transformations are not either natural nor without the possibilities of dangerous side effects. One can either live GOD's way or their own way, but I find that GOD's way is not something to be sorry for later... George William Jorgensen, Jr., only lived to be 62 --- apparently died from cancer.

 

[Somerville]

Hitler was a false prophet. What happen to many of the head Nazis after World War II ended? The Third Reich was to last 1000 years ---- did it? That was a false prophecy. Perfect example of a false prophet and a corrupt tree (Hitler/Nazi Germany).

Once again, you failed to acknowledge your failures in an earlier post where you quoted your preferred version of the bible. Scholars today know that the KJV is not the most accurate translation from the original Greek texts; never mind that you misquoted the verses' numbers.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

American Religious Fundamentalists Fight To Establish A Theocracy As Religion Declines In The US

Over my dead body.

 

[Metanoia]

Fundamentalists are hypocrites. They have an undisguised hatred of Muslims but would be elated to adopt Sharia law……..

 

[Mircea]

Let's face todays "reality". If a man can be a woman, and visa versa, and marriage can be between to beings of the same sex, you've already dug the hole.

I haven't dug any holes. Boys have a penis. Girls have a vagina. It ain't String Theory. Seeing how the primary function of all life that has ever existed on Earth is to procreate to propagate the species to insure its survival, then homosexuality would be anathema to human life.

You dug the hole because you didn't understand the issues because you didn't want to understand the issues which were about benefits.

I can put my sister and nephews on my car insurance, but I can't put them on my health plan coverage because we're not married.

Am I supposed to divorce my wife and marry my sister so's I can add her and my nephews to my health plan or am I supposed to commit polygamy so's I can add her to my health plan?

I can't put her on my health plan because the Socialist American Hospital Association who run the Socialist healthcare system in the US owns all the State legislatures and made a law that says I can't.

Why should I have to jump through hoops to justify why I'm naming my girlfriend and my nephews as beneficiaries on a life insurance policy? I'm paying for the damn policy I should be able to name anyone or anything, including my dog, as a beneficiary. I shouldn't have marry my girlfriend and my sister just so's I can name them as beneficiaries to avoid filling out 500 other forms.

I'm in Alabama going to Germany so I stop in Cincinnati a few days and visit a high school friend I've know for 15 years. We have dinner and on the way home he wrecks. The next day I go to the hospital to visit him and the nurses are pitching a hissy fit because "I'm not a family member" so I told them to call the police because by the time they got around to getting there it'd be 3 hours later and I'd be gone.

So, he's supposed to divorce his wife and I'm supposed to divorce my wife (I ended up doing that anyway) and then he and I are supposed to get married just so's I can visit him in hospital for a few minutes?

Why should I have to get married just to take a tax dodge? My girlfriend I and were living together so shouldn't we be able to file jointly and get all the bennies?

If you hadn't been so spitefully filled with hatred you might have understood that and you might have seen way more heterosexuals would have benefitted than homosexuals if the control freaks had changed their policies.

You don't even understand marriage. Nobody got married. Nobody being commoners. Marriage was for tribal chiefs and dictators and government administrators and the landed gentry and the merchants. Everyone else lived together. They cohabitated and held themselves out as husband and wife. In the modern world we call that a common-law marriage or if you wanna get legal "a marriage at common-law." You'd know that if you ever read Plato, Cicero, Solon, Aristotle, Strabo, Herodotus, Livy, Tacitus, Jordane, Antiochus, or Ptolemy and dozens of others.

Marriage wasn't a legal thing until some guy with a funny hat and stick claiming some god-thing put him in charge of Earth decreed it to be necessary in order to generate a revenue stream so's he and all his minions could lead lavish lives of luxury and want for nothing.

Humanism can be whatever I wish it to be.

That's the sort of argument losers resort to.

And I say it is a religion and GOD in the Bible speaks in terms of humanism among the fallen masses.

I don't care what your god-thing says.

Your god-thing is angry at me because I refuse to be a good slave and I have a zero tolerance policy for dictators.

Anything that is worshipped in place of GOD is idolatry and the worship of idols is religion.

Yeah?

So what?

Solomon built four temples to other god-things and nothing bad happened to him so why should I care?

When nature is applied to explain the unknowable it indeed becomes a form of worship and practice.

No one is applying nature. They're applying science.

Evolution without any allowance of the mention of a creator as a point counterpoint, should indeed be prohibited for its one-sidedness and promotion of the denial of the supernatural and the miraculous.

The supernatural and miracles are for people who are wrapped a little too tightly for this world.

 

[LittleNipper]

Once again, you failed to acknowledge your failures in an earlier post where you quoted your preferred version of the bible. Scholars today know that the KJV is not the most accurate translation from the original Greek texts; never mind that you misquoted the verses' numbers.

I'm saved by the grace of GOD through faith in the LORD JESUS CHRIST and the indwelling of the HOLY SPIRIT. I'm not save by being perfect. As for scholars today, they will also agree that the King James translation is one of the best versions. It certainly isn't at the bottom of the pile.

 

[Somerville]

I'm saved by the grace of GOD through faith in the LORD JESUS CHRIST and the indwelling of the HOLY SPIRIT. I'm not save by being perfect. As for scholars today, they will also agree that the King James translation is one of the best versions. It certainly isn't at the bottom of the pile.

True -- the KJV is not "at the bottom of the pile" - it's just not the best translation. Scholars who "agree" the KJV is good are almost always connected to theological degrees and not academic degrees that focused on ancient languages and their texts.

 

[LittleNipper]

I haven't dug any holes. Boys have a penis. Girls have a vagina. It ain't String Theory. Seeing how the primary function of all life that has ever existed on Earth is to procreate to propagate the species to insure its survival, then homosexuality would be anathema to human life.

You dug the hole because you didn't understand the issues because you didn't want to understand the issues which were about benefits.

I can put my sister and nephews on my car insurance, but I can't put them on my health plan coverage because we're not married.

Am I supposed to divorce my wife and marry my sister so's I can add her and my nephews to my health plan or am I supposed to commit polygamy so's I can add her to my health plan?

I can't put her on my health plan because the Socialist American Hospital Association who run the Socialist healthcare system in the US owns all the State legislatures and made a law that says I can't.

Why should I have to jump through hoops to justify why I'm naming my girlfriend and my nephews as beneficiaries on a life insurance policy? I'm paying for the damn policy I should be able to name anyone or anything, including my dog, as a beneficiary. I shouldn't have marry my girlfriend and my sister just so's I can name them as beneficiaries to avoid filling out 500 other forms.

I'm in Alabama going to Germany so I stop in Cincinnati a few days and visit a high school friend I've know for 15 years. We have dinner and on the way home he wrecks. The next day I go to the hospital to visit him and the nurses are pitching a hissy fit because "I'm not a family member" so I told them to call the police because by the time they got around to getting there it'd be 3 hours later and I'd be gone.

So, he's supposed to divorce his wife and I'm supposed to divorce my wife (I ended up doing that anyway) and then he and I are supposed to get married just so's I can visit him in hospital for a few minutes?

Why should I have to get married just to take a tax dodge? My girlfriend I and were living together so shouldn't we be able to file jointly and get all the bennies?

If you hadn't been so spitefully filled with hatred you might have understood that and you might have seen way more heterosexuals would have benefitted than homosexuals if the control freaks had changed their policies.

You don't even understand marriage. Nobody got married. Nobody being commoners. Marriage was for tribal chiefs and dictators and government administrators and the landed gentry and the merchants. Everyone else lived together. They cohabitated and held themselves out as husband and wife. In the modern world we call that a common-law marriage or if you wanna get legal "a marriage at common-law." You'd know that if you ever read Plato, Cicero, Solon, Aristotle, Strabo, Herodotus, Livy, Tacitus, Jordane, Antiochus, or Ptolemy and dozens of others.

Marriage wasn't a legal thing until some guy with a funny hat and stick claiming some god-thing put him in charge of Earth decreed it to be necessary in order to generate a revenue stream so's he and all his minions could lead lavish lives of luxury and want for nothing.


That's the sort of argument losers resort to.

I don't care what your god-thing says.

Your god-thing is angry at me because I refuse to be a good slave and I have a zero tolerance policy for dictators.

Yeah?

So what?

Solomon built four temples to other god-things and nothing bad happened to him so why should I care?

No one is applying nature. They're applying science.


The supernatural and miracles are for people who are wrapped a little too tightly for this world.

First off, GOD isn't angry at you. The only reason anyone goes to hell is because he or she rejects the salvation that GOD freely bestows on all who believe. GOD could not make it any easier. HE did all the work. If you are going to throw the free gift back in HIS face, there isn't anything left for HIM to do but place such an individual exactly where they wish to be, and that is apart from GOD forever. As for people misapplying healthcare, that is just one reason why healthcare is so expensive. And I know for a fact that a single woman with a child working will generally pay far less than a husband and a wife with a child. Because I've seen the premiums. Just look at the pricing sheets. They (human resource people) should be handing them out now or one is told where to look online... Guys should be getting their own insurance through their job and not ride on their buddies' coattails. Family plans were/should be for families. And a family consists of one husband, one wife, and whatever number of children. Anyone else is simply milking the system to suit himself/herself.