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America Is Waking Up to Nightmare of Obamacare

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you can like her or hate her I really don't care, but for once liberals do something different do something that will require thought and reasoning try to discredit the message instead attacking the messenger. if all you do is resort to attacking the messenger proves you cant discredit the message
 
Only the Far Right nutjobs use "Obamacare" as a rallying cry. THe rest of us are either indifferent or think the plan isn't half bad.
 
Only the Far Right nutjobs use "Obamacare" as a rallying cry. THe rest of us are either indifferent or think the plan isn't half bad.

Generalizations such as these usually prove to be false. And this one does also.

I am far from being 'far right', and there was only one point in the ACA that was partially beneficial. The rest of it was a boon to the insurance industry.
 
Is this article supposed to be about Obamacare or about Sarah Palin?
 

Obamacare is not going to get defunded. IMO, even if such legislation did pass? The President can simply issue an executive order to get it done. One of the purposes of an executive order is to facilitate legislation. Issuing an EO to fund it would certainly fall under that category.

The management of the rollout of Obamacare has got to be the worst example of transparency we've ever seen. Haha! And that from an administration that promised transparency.

Do you really think rates aren't known yet? What is so magic about October 1st? Why are we all having to wait until then to see how we'll be effected? I get it that the real reason is to give all companies an equal footing in the rush for coverage and change. But isn't our government supposed to serve the people?

IMO, Republicans would have been better served had they backed off their anti-Obamacare stance and adopted a wait-and-see attitude with their constituents. They stand a really good chance of looking irrelevant when it rolls out and the sky doesn't fall.
 
Only the Far Right nutjobs use "Obamacare" as a rallying cry. THe rest of us are either indifferent or think the plan isn't half bad.

The Logical Fallacies: False Dilemma

Pretty much all of what you said is untrue. You don't have to be a right wing anything to dislike Obamacare. Many people feel that for the first time the Federal government is forcing them to buy a product. John Roberts didn't see it that way, but the man on the street often does. You're right that some people are indifferent or think the plan is ok, but you can't subtract the right wing and say that the balance of the population has only two positions. Polling says that the majority of the population dislike Obamacare on principle and practice. When the law is fully implemented, you will see thousands of horror stories about how healthcare is in a state of decline, facilities are struggling, healthcare workers are being laid off, doctors are no longer seeing patients and students are avoiding the medical profession for more lucrative pursuits.
 

You are right that the house appropriation bill won't make it out of congress and that Obamacare won't be defunded. Obama would never sign off on his signature piece of legislation in any event. It's a bad piece of legislation and I believe that eventually the people who are responsible will be forced to pay the price. The wild card in this is wether the house Republicans really have the backbone to take a stand and pass a final continuing resolution which keeps government open and doesn't pay for the bill after it goes to conference. My belief is that they will fold in order to placate the Senate and this will all be for nothing but appearances.
 

It is perfectly clear what the negative effects of Obama care will be we are already seeing some of it. it doesn't take a reasonable man to jump into a lake to find out that lake water is wet
It will be to late for waiting for after implementation to then decide it doesn't work and the cost and negative results are not worth it. name one social program that has been reversed after implementation. If Obama care is allowed go forward to be implemented that is it we are stuck with it no matter how bad it is or what it cost in tax money and jobs there is no turning back
 
Only the Far Right nutjobs use "Obamacare" as a rallying cry. THe rest of us are either indifferent or think the plan isn't half bad.

Pick a poll it doesn't matter they all say the same thing majority of America hates Obama care


Rasmussen Reports* 9/14 - 9/15 1000 LV 43 53 Against/Oppose +10
ABC News/Wash Post 9/12 - 9/15 1004 A 42 52 Against/Oppose +10
CNN/Opinion Research* 9/6 - 9/8 1022 A 39 57 Against/Oppose +18
FOX News* 9/6 - 9/8 900 RV 35 54 Against/Oppose +19
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 9/5 - 9/8 1000 A 31 44 Against/Oppose +13
USA Today/Pew Research 9/4 - 9/8 1506 A 42 53 Against/Oppose +11

It doesn't look like "The rest of us are either indifferent or think the plan isn't half bad" unless you want to say 55% of the public are Far Right nutjobs
 
Generalizations such as these usually prove to be false. And this one does also.

I am far from being 'far right', and there was only one point in the ACA that was partially beneficial. The rest of it was a boon to the insurance industry.
Is Obamacare your rallying cry, something you complain about all the time, your cause celebre, a reason to shut down the government?
 
Personally, I'd prefer single payer, but, I know this--if the GOP shut the government down over it, they'll lose.
 
Is Obamacare your rallying cry, something you complain about all the time, your cause celebre, a reason to shut down the government?

Nope. Currently, it is on my **** list due to the ridiculous and excessive administrative requirements that will successfully kill some businesses. Besides the monetary aspect to the businesses that survive it.
 

Obamacare hollering is equivalent to Benghazi--no one cares as much as the Right Wing loons. You watch. THis is lose lose for the gewbs.
 
Obamacare hollering is equivalent to Benghazi--no one cares as much as the Right Wing loons. You watch. THis is lose lose for the gewbs.

why are you still spewing your crap "no one cares as much as the Right Wing loons" when I just proved to you different? all it does is make you an ideologue sycophant fool that ignores all facts to push an agenda
 
Obamacare hollering is equivalent to Benghazi--no one cares as much as the Right Wing loons. You watch. THis is lose lose for the gewbs.

Tell it to Ambassador Stevens family.
 
why are you still spewing your crap "no one cares as much as the Right Wing loons" when I just proved to you different? all it does is make you an ideologue sycophant fool that ignores all facts to push an agenda

Because no one cares as much as Right Wing Loons. Look, just because it's unpopular doesn't mean a majority of the people want to stop the world on its axis over it. Sheesh.

 
Are you Hillary?

I'm realist. ANd, seeing the Right Wing getting their nose all bent out of shape over Ambassador Stevens is a freaking joke. No one on the Right cared when thousands died for George Bush's stupid war, but now all of a sudden every Wingnut in the country is crying crocodile tears over four dead people in Libya.
 
Because no one cares as much as Right Wing Loons. Look, just because it's unpopular doesn't mean a majority of the people want to stop the world on its axis over it. Sheesh.

of coarse people will like the candy that Obama care provides but when they are informed of the cost in taxes health care cost and jobs they then don't want the candy anymore

and the last Rasmussen poll shows 51% prefer a government shut down over the funding of Obama care
 
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Sorry, I thought you were Hillary.

 

That'll be quite a turnaround, since right now we're seeing exactly the opposite.

In the last 12 months we've seen:
 
Life's great in the left wing blogosphere.

The National Business Group on Health, the Altarum Institute, the Association of American Medical Colleges, and the National Resident Matching Program are what you consider to be "the left wing blogosphere"?

Perhaps you should get out more. Keeping up on what's actually happening in the world will help, too.
 

I'm out plenty. The government is spending millions on their spin machine making lots of what you read unreliable finding a web site that agrees with you is not research.
 
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