America is going to war for Israel, and it's going to blow the doors off antisemitism across the world.

[Dans La Lune]

So the tropes at play (stoked by Israel and pro-Zionists, not the Left): Jews Control the World, Jews Control America, Jews control the Media, Jews are responsible for all wars.

That should help antisemitism, with the right-wing being fully incapable distinguishing between Israeli and Jew.

Jews don't want this. Israelis do.

 

[Mr Person]

Poster whose account tagline used to assert that believing Israel has a right to exist is anti-semitic and thinks Israel has no right to use force against any enemy group sworn to its destruction and extermination of its (or all) Jews expects others to think he cares about anti-semitism, news at... awwww ****whydoIbother.

Credibility of posts from a particular poster aside, yes I can absolutely see Israel doing things as giving those harboring anti-semitism another excuse.

Jews don't want this. Israelis do.

Oh, now you speak for "Jews", do you? The guy who had the "zionism is anti-semitism" tagline?

That should help antisemitism, with the right-wing being fully incapable distinguishing between Israeli and Jew.

Will it help with "morally superior" members of the left-wing who think that every last unfair and blindly one-sided attack they make on Israel is OK in all respects just as long as they remember to say "Israel" instead of "Jews"?

You know, the people who think Israel has no right to use force against anyone, whether or not they are openly sworn to its destruction and extermination of all its Jews, and whether or not that sworn entity has spent its entire existence trying to accomplish just that both directly and through its proxies?






'Cause I gotta tell you, as an American Jew, the bulk of the right seems just as cynically indifferent to anti-semitism as the bulk of the left. The only real difference is that the far right includes out and out nazis.

Anti-semitism is the most poo-poo'd, least cared about "ism" there is. I don't expect the right to care because look at how much they care about other isms. But the left? The left tends to pride itself on standing up to "ism".

Unlesssss.......

 

[Dans La Lune]

Poster whose account tagline used to assert that believing Israel has a right to exist is anti-semitic and thinks Israel has no right to use force against any enemy group sworn to its destruction and extermination of its (or all) Jews expects others to think he cares about anti-semitism, news at... awwww ****whydoIbother.

I'm with Albert Einstein regarding Zionism.

Credibility of posts from a particular poster aside, yes I can absolutely see Israel doing things as giving those harboring anti-semitism another excuse.

You mean equating Israelis with Jews, and then laying the crimes of the Israeli government at the feet of Jews worldwide.

Oh, now you speak for "Jews", do you? The guy who had the "zionism is anti-semitism" tagline?

Jews speak for themselves, and they've been among the leaders of the anti-genocide and anti-Zionist movements.

Will it help with "morally superior" members of the left-wing who think that every last unfair and blindly one-sided attack they make on Israel is OK in all respects just as long as they remember to say "Israel" instead of "Jews"?

Israel does not represent Jews.

 

[Tigerace117]

Poster whose account tagline used to assert that believing Israel has a right to exist is anti-semitic and thinks Israel has no right to use force against any enemy group sworn to its destruction and extermination of its (or all) Jews expects others to think he cares about anti-semitism, news at... awwww ****whydoIbother.

Credibility of posts from a particular poster aside, yes I can absolutely see Israel doing things as giving those harboring anti-semitism another excuse.



Oh, now you speak for "Jews", do you? The guy who had the "zionism is anti-semitism" tagline?



Will it help with "morally superior" members of the left-wing who think that every last unfair and blindly one-sided attack they make on Israel is OK in all respects just as long as they remember to say "Israel" instead of "Jews"?

You know, the people who think Israel has no right to use force against anyone, whether or not they are openly sworn to its destruction and extermination of all its Jews, and whether or not that sworn entity has spent its entire existence trying to accomplish just that both directly and through its proxies?






'Cause I gotta tell you, as an American Jew, the bulk of the right seems just as cynically indifferent to anti-semitism as the bulk of the left. The only real difference is that the far right includes out and out nazis.

Anti-semitism is the most poo-poo'd, least cared about "ism" there is. I don't expect the right to care because look at how much they care about other isms. But the left? The left tends to pride itself on standing up to "ism".

Unlesssss.......

The obvious problem, of course, is that Israel’s “existence” isn’t in any danger. They are not being forced to slaughter Palestinian civilians and attack their neighbors; they are choosing to do so, no different than how their friends and allies in apartheid South Africa attacked Angola and Mozambique.

The “Jewish state” seems intent on committing outright ethnic cleansing, if not genocide, against the Palestinians, and no amount of denial can change that.

Gee, the endless attempts to equate any sort of criticism of Israel to anti Semitism probably would have a lot to do with that perception

 

[Bok Tuklo]

Will it help with "morally superior" members of the left-wing who think that every last unfair and blindly one-sided attack they make on Israel is OK in all respects just as long as they remember to say "Israel" instead of "Jews"?

Because Israel is the only nation ever criticized ever. It is all so one sided.




The bleats of "antisemitism" every time someone says, "hey, could you stop killing children fellas" is bullshit. Aggressive, abusive lying in order to make anything Israel does automatically valid and beyond reproach.

 

[Juin]

.

Sounds like war.

 

[Dans La Lune]

The obvious problem, of course, is that Israel’s “existence” isn’t in any danger. They are not being forced to slaughter Palestinian civilians and attack their neighbors; they are choosing to do so, no different than how their friends and allies in apartheid South Africa attacked Angola and Mozambique.

The “Jewish state” seems intent on committing outright ethnic cleansing, if not genocide, against the Palestinians, and no amount of denial can change that.

Gee, the endless attempts to equate any sort of criticism of Israel to anti Semitism probably would have a lot to do with that perception

That's the unfortunate truth. Europe exported antisemitism to the Middle East. Atrocity after atrocity heaped on the neighbors of Israel and the indigenous people, under the banner of representing all Jews, eventually leads to bad sentiment against Jews in the region.

Who'd have thunk it.

Initially skeptical of Zionism, Einstein came to support the idea of a Jewish homeland in Palestine, though he consistently opposed the establishment of a Jewish state with defined borders and military power. He believed that such a state would contradict the "essential nature of Judaism," which he saw as rooted in ethical and spiritual values rather than nationalism.

Einstein's support for Zionism was primarily based on his belief in the need for a cultural and intellectual center for Jews, especially in light of rising anti-Semitism in Europe. He was deeply moved by the plight of Jews in Europe and saw a Jewish homeland as a refuge and a place where Jewish culture could flourish. However, he was also concerned about the potential for conflict with the Arab population in Palestine and advocated for peaceful coexistence and cooperation between Jews and Arabs.

In 1948, Einstein, along with several other prominent Jewish intellectuals, signed a letter published in the New York Times condemning Menachem Begin and his Herut Party, which was closely associated with the Irgun, a militant Zionist group. The letter described Herut as "closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy, and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties". This comparison was not made lightly and reflected Einstein's deep concern about the direction that certain factions within the Zionist movement were taking. He feared that the use of violence and the adoption of nationalist ideologies would undermine the moral foundation of the Jewish people and lead to long-term conflict and suffering.

Einstein's opposition to the creation of a Jewish state was rooted in his pacifist and internationalist ideals. He believed that the establishment of a state would lead to militarism and nationalism, which he associated with the very forces that had persecuted Jews in Europe. In a 1946 letter, he wrote that he was in favor of Palestine being developed as a Jewish homeland but not as a separate state, advocating instead for a bi-national status with free immigration for Jews.

The ‘final’ downfall of Israel was predicted by Einstein

It doesn’t take a genius to see that the failing Zionist project called Israel is coming apart at the seams. It was a genius, though, who predicted the demise of the fledgling state when he was ask…

www.middleeastmonitor.com

Einstein On Israel And Zionism - Reviewed by Bruce Katz - Baraka Books

Book Review by Bruce Katz* In 2009, the late Fred Jerome** (1939-2020) published the first edition of his book, Einstein On Israel And Zionism. The book included a number of Einstein’s letters written in English, many of which reflected his views on both Israel and Zionism. Thanks to the support...

www.barakabooks.com

 

[bomberfox]

That's the unfortunate truth. Europe exported antisemitism to the Middle East. Atrocity after atrocity heaped on the neighbors of Israel and the indigenous people, under the banner of representing all Jews, eventually leads to bad sentiment against Jews in the region.

Who'd have thunk it.

The ‘final’ downfall of Israel was predicted by Einstein

It doesn’t take a genius to see that the failing Zionist project called Israel is coming apart at the seams. It was a genius, though, who predicted the demise of the fledgling state when he was ask…

www.middleeastmonitor.com

Einstein On Israel And Zionism - Reviewed by Bruce Katz - Baraka Books

Book Review by Bruce Katz* In 2009, the late Fred Jerome** (1939-2020) published the first edition of his book, Einstein On Israel And Zionism. The book included a number of Einstein’s letters written in English, many of which reflected his views on both Israel and Zionism. Thanks to the support...

www.barakabooks.com

Antisemitism was already there.

 

[dmpi]

Where are the middle east countries backing Iran against Israel and American imperialism ? Where is Russia, China and North Korea? Truth is NOBODY wants Iran to have nukes. Sorry leftist are just trying to spin doing what's obviously right as anti Trump-Israel propaganda.

 

[Dans La Lune]

 

[Dans La Lune]

Antisemitism was already there.

Was it?

 

[Ganondagan]

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Sounds like war.




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Finally, someone gets it. This war should absolutely NOT end in a ceasfire. It must end with Iran surrendering unconditionally.

 

[Apocalypse]

Germany’s Merz says Israel is doing the ‘dirty work for all of us’ by countering Iran

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www.timesofisrael.com

 

[Slartibartfast]

If we do end up going to war, I hope that takes the majority of Trump's focus.

 

[Tigerace117]

Finally, someone gets it. This war should absolutely NOT end in a ceasfire. It must end with Iran surrendering unconditionally.

Which the likelihood of Iran doing is approximately zero.

 

[Tigerace117]

Germany’s Merz says Israel is doing the ‘dirty work for all of us’ by countering Iran

* * *

www.timesofisrael.com

Yawn. So what? Germany is too terrified of being compared to their ancestors to be anything other than totally sycophantic towards Israel.

 

[Tigerace117]

Where are the middle east countries backing Iran against Israel and American imperialism ? Where is Russia, China and North Korea? Truth is NOBODY wants Iran to have nukes. Sorry leftist are just trying to spin doing what's obviously right as anti Trump-Israel propaganda.

Muslim world unites in response to Israel over Iran strikes

Muslim countries in the Middle East and beyond condemned Israel and said they feared escalation

www.newsweek.com

Hmm....looks like your claims were not at all truthful.

 

[reinaert]

If we do end up going to war, I hope that takes the majority of Trump's focus.

It won't. The Goldfish Presidency doesn't work that way. Plus, you really want Miller to have a freer hand?

 

[Craig234]

I'm with Albert Einstein regarding Zionism.

To be fair, Einstein's criticism - and other global Jewish leaders' - was of the party that has been dominant in the rogue state most of its history, later renamed Likud, rather than all Zionists as I understand.

 

[bomberfox]

Was it?

Yes. In large amounts. The story of the grand mufti is only partially true. He didnt convince hitler to commit the holocaust though, that was already a foregone conclusion.

What needs to end is the settler colonial project.

 

[Captain America]

Let 'em duke it out.

Don't drag us into it.

 

[reinaert]

Yes. In large amounts. The story of the grand mufti is only partially true. He didnt convince hitler to commit the holocaust though, that was already a foregone conclusion.

What needs to end is the settler colonial project.

It won't end. Bibi played to win and it looks like he's going to get his chance to deliver Greater Israel. The most we can hope for, at this juncture, is that he has to relish it from a bunker he cannot leave.

 

[Dans La Lune]

Yes. In large amounts. The story of the grand mufti is only partially true. He didnt convince hitler to commit the holocaust though, that was already a foregone conclusion.

I guess it would be a bad time to point out that Zionists collaborated with the Nazis. I mean if that's proof that there was widespread antisemitism in the Middle East pre-Zionism. Which I have yet to see proof of.

What needs to end is the settler colonial project.

True.

 

[Dans La Lune]

To be fair, Einstein's criticism - and other global Jewish leaders' - was of the party that has been dominant in the rogue state most of its history, later renamed Likud, rather than all Zionists as I understand.

Einstein was a cultural Zionist, not a political or religious Zionist. This is an important, critical distinction. He believed in migration to the Middle East, but in order to collaborate with the indigenous Palestinians in more of a One State where everyone had equality. Free migration, no boundaries. He never supported a Jewish Ethno-State to my understanding, and was deeply critical of the project. He saw very quickly the right-wing take over the Zionist movement (surprise: The Right-Wing ruins EVERYTHING) and called them Gestapo-esque Nazis.

 

[Craig234]

@Dans La Lune That's my understanding also. I was saying his criticisms were directed primarily at the Zionists faction that was later renamed Likud and been the dominant government colonialists and resembling the Nazis.

The big lie of the rogue state is that they exploit the idea of 'persecuted Jews just want their own state to be safe' as political cover for colonialism to attack their whole region and corrupt the politics of the western world and make them complicit in atrocities. Something which Jews largely see through and find abhorrent. Hence the name of the group "Not In Our Name".