Amazing moment Jane Fonda accepts a BAFTA award while being arrested for the THIRD time on the steps

[Hatuey]

To some, probably. To others, understandable.

It's not understandable to anyone using reason. I can hear you have an intellectual giggle whenever you're talking about the next politician who will vote on denying services to Americans, and bomb some foreigners while sending young men to war. Jane Fonda though? That woman sat on a gun and took pictures with all the farmers turned soldiers we were trying to bomb into accepting our democracy!

**** her. Amirite? Lol.

Hilarious.

Sent from the Matrioshka in the WH Christmas tree.

 

[Perotista]

I don't blame you for feeling that way, but I think it is a little silly to be mad at Fonda for something that happened almost 50 years ago, that she has apologized for profusely, and that was a reaction to what she thought were human rights abuses committed by the American government. I assume you haven't supported her financially or in any other way for all these decades. That seems like it should be good enough, but to each his own.

I'd say you're correct. I do find it strange that she was protesting American human rights abuses while totally turning a blind eye to those of the North Vietnamese. It seemed Jane was perfectly okay with the NVA executing 6,000 or so South Vietnamese civilians in Hue or all the assassinations they did throughout the south. This was but the tip of an iceberg. Sure there were atrocities committed by both sides in that war, that is usually the case. But theirs was far more numerous than ours.

That is something I don't understand.

 

[Tigerace117]

That's a stupid question. You must not have read post 15.

In her 2005 memoir, “My Life So Far,” Fonda wrote of the infamous photo this way:

Here is my best, honest recollection of what took place. Someone (I don’t remember who) leads me toward the gun, and I sit down, still laughing, still applauding. It all has nothing to do with where I am sitting. I hardly even think about where I am sitting. The cameras flash. I get up, and as I start to walk back to the car with the translator, the implication of what has just happened hits me. Oh, my God. It’s going to look like I was trying to shoot down U.S. planes! I plead with him, You have to be sure those photographs are not published. Please, you can’t let them be published. I am assured it will be taken care of. I don’t know what else to do. It is possible that the Vietnamese had it all planned. I will never know. If they did, can I really blame them? The buck stops here. If I was used, I allowed it to happen. It was my mistake, and I have paid and continue to pay a heavy price for it.

It was this neat new thing called “sarcasm”. Maybe you heard it?

So in other words she didn’t use her brain on the propaganda trip that she purposefully chose to go on.

 

[Perotista]

Fixation? C'mon. I was just correcting a post that said Jane Fonda was photographed in a Viet Cong gun emplacement in Hanoi. You know that's wrong, but it's certainly not a detail that's worth all the effort this has turned into.
Why are you on about this? I'm sorry now I even stuck my nose in. Tell you what- scroll back to where I first posted, pick out what you disagree with and I'll take it back.

If the OP said VC, that was wrong. It was NVA anti aircraft gun around Hanoi North Vietnam. I just couldn't understand where VC came into play. The VC had nothing to do with it.

 

[Nalu]

It was this neat new thing called “sarcasm”. Maybe you heard it?

So in other words she didn’t use her brain on the propaganda trip that she purposefully chose to go on.

Yeah, I gathered that, but sarcasm is usually used in one of two ways: As humor. You weren't being funny nor was what you asked funny. Or as snark. Which annoys me when I haven't done anything (yet) to deserve a snarky treatment.

As for not using her brain, yeah. That's what she said. Her words speak for themselves. She messed up. She acknowledged it. She took responsibility for it. She apologized for it. Perhaps you would prefer to have her shot in the head, but without the ability to take back what she did, I think she has since done the best she can do to make amends for it. That's a lot more than many other people would do.

 

[Grand Mal]

If the OP said VC, that was wrong. It was NVA anti aircraft gun around Hanoi North Vietnam. I just couldn't understand where VC came into play. The VC had nothing to do with it.

Bingo!
But it wasn't the OP.

 

[SLC]

I know, right? Some people are still upset about it 47 years later. That was definitely her Kathy Griffin moment. Since she claims and acknowledges it was a mistake, took absolute responsibility for it, has apologized for it for decades, and still managed to put $200 million in the bank, I'd say she's doing a better job than most people.

A lot of people have that had family or friends that died over there or were POWs aren’t that quick to forgive she was giving aid and comfort to the enemy after all. I know most of the men in hat were tortured because they would not take propaganda photos with her still hold a grudge .

 

[Perotista]

Bingo!
But it wasn't the OP.

I found it on the first page. everything is now understandable.

 

[Nalu]

A lot of people have that had family or friends that died over there or were POWs aren’t that quick to forgive she was giving aid and comfort to the enemy after all. I know most of the men in hat were tortured because they would not take propaganda photos with her still hold a grudge .

Somebody else said that. Why do you guys insist on using terms you don't understand? Aid and comfort, for example, relates to treason. Fonda did not commit treason. She was basically an enemy of the government and was never charged with treason.

Like I told Perotista, if you want to be mad at someone you don't know for a mistake she made 50 years ago, knock yourself out. It just strikes me as counterproductive.

 

[Harshaw]

I don't know about conservatives, but as a Vietnam Vet I certainly dislike Hanoi Jane. Her going to Hanoi, sitting on a North Vietnamese anti aircraft gun and pretending to shoot down American planes is the reason. I've nothing against protesters against the war doing so at home. But to make a special trip to Hanoi and then pretend to kill Americans or should I say fellow Americans, that is about as close to being a treasonous act as one can get.

I've never forgot or forgiven her.

It certainly fits the definition:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

 

[Amelia]

Amazing moment Jane Fonda accepts a BAFTA award while being arrested for the THIRD time | Daily Mail Online

"Jane Fonda took a moment to thank the British Academy of Film and Television Arts (BAFTA) for an award she had received as she was being arrested while protesting climate change in Washington, DC. . . .

"Capitol Police released a statement on Friday afternoon that read: 'Fonda and Danson were among 32 people arrested for allegedly unlawfully demonstrating in the intersection of East Capitol and First Streets.'"

I've never bothered to check why many conservatives dislike Fonda, but this article did a good job of quickly summarizing her activism. I get it now.

I don't imagine her protest is going to accomplish anything, but at least she's doing something. It defies logic and reason that we're still powering anything with fossil fuels.

Really? You don't know why military-living conservatives hate Jane Fonda?

That's kinda basic.

I was raised in a military family. I know how some people criticize our service members rather than the conflict or the military industrial complex themselves. As my mom loves to say, "If you aren't behind our troops, get in front of them."

And yet you don't know. Or didn't know. Hopefully you've figured it out by now.

Strange that a person with a military background posting on a political forum could have gone this long without learning why rightwingers hate Hanoi Jane.

 

[Amelia]

I don't blame you for feeling that way, but I think it is a little silly to be mad at Fonda for something that happened almost 50 years ago, that she has apologized for profusely, and that was a reaction to what she thought were human rights abuses committed by the American government. I assume you haven't supported her financially or in any other way for all these decades. That seems like it should be good enough, but to each his own.

So you DO know why conservatives hate Hanoi Jane, and you were just pretending not to?

There's a word for that.

 

[Nalu]

Really? You don't know why military-living conservatives hate Jane Fonda?

That's kinda basic.





And yet you don't know. Or didn't know. Hopefully you've figured it out by now.

Strange that a person with a military background posting on a political forum could have gone this long without learning why rightwingers hate Hanoi Jane.

Why would I care? I was born in the 1980s. Fonda hasn't really been relevant for my entire lifetime. I do remember occasional mentions of "Hanoi Jane", but I was never curious enough to ask about it or look it up. This is a generational issue. I doubt that anyone born after Vietnam cares about the Hanoi Jane episode. Lastly, rightwingers hate a lot of people. I have zero interest in chasing them all down and figuring out what perceived slight they committed.

 

[Marine Electric]

Well, I was neither in the Vietnam War nor alive when it happened. I still have a perspective, although it obviously differs from yours. Just seems like a lot of outrage over a stupid thing that some celebrity did 50 years ago. I'm not even mad at Snowden and he strikes me as more traiterous than Fonda.

Donald J. Trump is more traitorous than Jane Fonda, fer kryst sake.

Who's kidding who?

:shock:

 

[Nalu]

So you DO know why conservatives hate Hanoi Jane, and you were just pretending not to?

There's a word for that.

Who are you and what the **** is your problem?

If you can act like a grown up for about 45 seconds, go read my initial post. I didn't know what sins Fonda had committed against conservatives because no one under the age of 50 cares. Then I read the article that I linked and learned some. Then people here started talking about the Vietnam picture, so I looked it up and read a Washington Post article that I also linked, a Wikipedia page, and some other websites. Now I know. Unlike a lot of morons who misuse this forum, I like to know what I'm talking about before I start posting out of my ass and wrecking my credibility. Furthermore, it would seem to me that the picture actually bothers veterans and not just conservatives. Conservatives are probably more annoyed by her work with the Black Panthers, her activism on behalf of minorities, and other things.

So go **** with someone else because your attitude sucks.

 

[Nalu]

Donald J. Trump is more traitorous than Jane Fonda, fer kryst sake.

Who's kidding who?

:shock:

Trump pretty much tops the list. I wonder what he thought about Fonda while we was dodging the draft.

 

[Amelia]

Who are you and what the **** is your problem?

If you can act like a grown up for about 45 seconds, go read my initial post. I didn't know what sins Fonda had committed against conservatives because no one under the age of 50 cares. Then I read the article that I linked and learned some. Then people here started talking about the Vietnam picture, so I looked it up and read a Washington Post article that I also linked, a Wikipedia page, and some other websites. Now I know. Unlike a lot of morons who misuse this forum, I like to know what I'm talking about before I start posting out of my ass and wrecking my credibility. Furthermore, it would seem to me that the picture actually bothers veterans and not just conservatives. Conservatives are probably more annoyed by her work with the Black Panthers, her activism on behalf of minorities, and other things.

So go **** with someone else because your attitude sucks.

The bolded is the part I question.

You start a thread about Jane Fonda on a political forum admitting that you don't know the most basic thing about why rightwingers don't like her. You were too lazy to google for this wildly known information before making your OP. That doesn't square with liking to know what you're talking about before you start posting out of your ass. But now you're feigning righteous indignation.

And, to put the cherry on top of your ridiculous sundae, 6 hours ago you didn't know about Hanoi Jane but now you think you're qualified to judge what conservatives are "probably more annoyed by".


If you don't like posting out of your ass, then stop doing it.

Yes, I'll go **** with someone else. But you got some pot-calling-the-kettle-black action going in the attitude department. Just saying. Ciao.

 

[Fledermaus]

So you can forgive the Vietnamese soldiers who actually fought against American soldiers, but not Jane Fonda, who only pretended to do so in a photo one time.

That doesn't make any sense.

NVA and Fonda
Duty vs Treason

The NVA were doing their duty....

Figure it out.

 

[Nalu]

The bolded is the part I question.

You start a thread about Jane Fonda on a political forum admitting that you don't know the most basic thing about why rightwingers don't like her. You were too lazy to google for this wildly known information before making your OP. That doesn't square with liking to know what you're talking about before you start posting out of your ass. But now you're feigning righteous indignation.

And, to put the cherry on top of your ridiculous sundae, 6 hours ago you didn't know about Hanoi Jane but now you think you're qualified to judge what conservatives are "probably more annoyed by".


If you don't like posting out of your ass, then stop doing it.

Yes, I'll go **** with someone else. But you got some pot-calling-the-kettle-black action going in the attitude department. Just saying. Ciao.

The thread is about Fonda getting arrested for protesting about climate change, not about why old people are mad about a picture she took 50 years ago. Had Hanoi Jane been relevant, I would have looked it up. But it wasn't, so I didn't, until other people started talking about it. Six hours is more than enough time to become qualified to comment about some former actress who protested the Vietnam War. Interesting how you haven't posted a single word about the thread topic itself. There's a word for people who do that.

Your posts are about as pleasant as a pap smear. Later.

 

[Amelia]

The thread is about Fonda getting arrested for protesting about climate change, not about why old people are mad about a picture she took 50 years ago. Had Hanoi Jane been relevant, I would have looked it up. But it wasn't, so I didn't, until other people started talking about it. Six hours is more than enough time to become qualified to comment about some former actress who protested the Vietnam War. Interesting how you haven't posted a single word about the thread topic itself. There's a word for people who do that.

Your posts are about as pleasant as a pap smear. Later.

LOL.

"I've never bothered to check why many conservatives dislike Fonda, "

"Had Hanoi Jane been relevant, I would have looked it up. "





You flaunt your ignorance, then feign righteous indignation when called out for it .. and then make a passive aggressive insult at conservatives about how their objection to Fonda is probably more about her helping minorities than hurting POWs. And then you dig your hole a little deeper. You probably really believed that part about not posting out of your ass.


Oh well, I guess I wasn't done ****ing with you. I had a little more ****ing in me for your conservative-insulting, self-delusional high and mightiness.

Done now.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Donald J. Trump is more traitorous than Jane Fonda, fer kryst sake.

Who's kidding who?

:shock:

Hello .... BAZINGA.

Yes, Jane Fonda did something stupid and reprehensible, and it was perceived, whether intentional or accidental, as a slap in the face to US soldiers. She also has apologized for it innumerable times, a stupid mistake she made while in her twenties.

Trump, on the other hand, has repeatedly shat on:

Our intelligence services, women, Congress, our military, State Dept., law enforcement, city and state governments, the press, the DOJ, FBI, CIA, NSA, United Nations, our allies, NATO, the Fed, the FCC, the EPA, our courts, all of our major industries, the VA, education, children, people of color, immigrants both legal and otherwise, automakers, FEMA, and last but not least, anyone who is not in total absolute fealty.

And he doubles down and triples down on all of them every chance he gets.
I'm scoring this one as

Fonda-1
Trump-87,398,743,287,259,834,593,453,465,346,984,356,464,364,211.

 

[Nalu]

LOL.

"I've never bothered to check why many conservatives dislike Fonda, "

"Had Hanoi Jane been relevant, I would have looked it up. "





You flaunt your ignorance, then feign righteous indignation when called out for it .. and then make a passive aggressive insult at conservatives about how their objection to Fonda is probably more about her helping minorities than hurting POWs. And then you dig your hole a little deeper. You probably really believed that part about not posting out of your ass.


Oh well, I guess I wasn't done ****ing with you. I had a little more ****ing in me for your conservative-insulting, self-delusional high and mightiness.

Done now.

That's called an aside. The article sort of detailed Fonda's political causes over the years, so I wrote 2 sentences about it. It still wasn't the subject of the article or of the thread. You're really struggling over something so inconsequential and still haven't even approached the topic.

I didn't make a passive aggressive insult. I said that the Vietnam thing is not why conservatives have a problem with her. It's why veterans have a problem with her, who, since apparently everything is going over your head today, is a much more diverse group than "conservatives". As for Fonda's involvement with the Black Panthers and minority groups, conservatives are more likely to be annoyed by that than any other group of people, so you can shove your blindingly stupid mischaracterization of my posts.

You're like the third or fourth poster I've met who drunkenly falls into random threads, starts insulting people for no good reason, then storms out of the thread when you're finally done trolling. What a worthless way to waste your time. Toodles.

 

[Irredentist]

NVA and Fonda
Duty vs Treason

The NVA were doing their duty....

Figure it out.

Duty? That seems like a crappy reason to risk your life in a war. You should fight for something you believe in. Like Jane Fonda.

 

[Amelia]

That's called an aside. The article sort of detailed Fonda's political causes over the years, so I wrote 2 sentences about it. It still wasn't the subject of the article or of the thread. You're really struggling over something so inconsequential and still haven't even approached the topic.

I didn't make a passive aggressive insult. I said that the Vietnam thing is not why conservatives have a problem with her. It's why veterans have a problem with her, who, since apparently everything is going over your head today, is a much more diverse group than "conservatives". As for Fonda's involvement with the Black Panthers and minority groups, conservatives are more likely to be annoyed by that than any other group of people, so you can shove your blindingly stupid mischaracterization of my posts.

You're like the third or fourth poster I've met who drunkenly falls into random threads, starts insulting people for no good reason, then storms out of the thread when you're finally done trolling. What a worthless way to waste your time. Toodles.

"I said that the Vietnam thing is not why conservatives have a problem with her."


I didn't see you say that so directly. In the comment I saw you had just enough grace to add a "probably" to your ignorant insult to conservatives.


You are still basically ignorant of Jane Fonda, but you're not letting that stop you from lobbing insults at conservatives. Maybe if you look hard enough you can find some conservative who was pissed off at Fonda's minority advocacy, but the vast majority of conservatives who have negative opinions of Jane Fonda have that because of what she did in Vietnam.

Period.



I have a good reason for insulting you. At least I have a better reason for insulting you than you have for insulting conservatives. Oh, hey, apparently I still have some more ****ing in me. Maybe I'll give you the last word on this, maybe I won't. You definitely put a burr under my saddle with your ignorant potshots at people that I care about. If you want to keep acting like an expert after spending a few minutes in Holiday Inn Express, then expect to be called out for it.

 

[Irredentist]

Which is, again, ignoring the fact that there is an important difference between an airstrike going awry and deliberately targeting South Vietnamese and Montagnard civilians.

I’m sure if you dig on the internet you can find a list of “war crimes” the US committed against the Nazis too. Does that mean it’s okay for someone to have gone to Nazi Germany and run around helping the SS?

I don't see what Nazi Germany has to do with anything. This is about Vietnam, where the US also targeted civilians, north and south, which also helped them lose the war, being hugely unpopular.