That's good because it's not for sale :shock:
I am a Euro Lefty now, what's that on the Joe McCarthy Communist Scale. :roll:
I hardly think being critical of an extradition treaty between the US and UK is grounds to call me Anti-American, and as fir the Treaty it was signed by New Labour PM Tony Blair in 2003, with the right and indeed more right wing press being very critical of the treaty. Or do you consider the Daily Mail and Daily Telegraph too left wing and liberal for your taste.
I can tell you exactly what Euro-Lefties are. They are mostly frustrated pretend intellectuals who still mourn for the good old days of the Soviet Union and just cannot understand how the U.S. triumphed and the Socialist Ideal died a pathetic death, only to be replaced by a despicable oligarchy that makes war on homosexuals and rock and roll singers. Never mind, you always have The Guardian.
The Guardian has turned itself into a hub of unrestrained anti-Americanism - The Commentator
Because that's the treaty both sides signed up to. If you are perturbed by systemic inadequacies (and frankly, which legal system isn't rife with inadequacies?) then you need to renegotiate your treaty, not behave as if it is only applicable when you decide you want it to be.
And then there's than nonsense about two languages having to be used, even when unnecessary. And the 'Canadian Content' requirement for your entertainment media. There's probably more, but that's off the top of my head.
Nice try, but I'm not buying it. You are like a lot of European leftists - incredibly selective in the things that outrage you. You can always cherry pick anti-American bull**** from any newspaper, but you have to be looking for it in order to do so. I'd still bet the Guardian is on your daily reading list. It's anti-American from the first page to the last, and therefore is a great favorite with Euro-lefties.
No, they refused to extradite him because A) they are France, B) it gave them a chance to stick their finger in the eye of America, C) he's famous, and D) rape of a 13 year old girl is no big deal in that cesspool of a country.
He has technically served his time according to the plea agreement so why extradite him? To put on a show trial so he can be kicked out?
But I do understand why France refuse to extradite their citizens to the US... and I personally believe that no one should be extradited to the US and that is solely based on how bad the US justice system is. We hear time and time again of people getting shafted by the American justice system, and as long as people are refused everything from consular assistance to having agreements ripped up once they are extradited.. well then. The American justice system.. well parts, needs to learn that a deal is a deal and there are international agreements and laws that every US state has to follow.
Amanda Knox found guilty of murder again by Italian court - CNN.com
apparently she was sentenced to 28.5 years
of course she isn't in Italy
I think the verdict is more of a condemnation of the laughably inept, corrupt and completely dysfunctional Italian justice system.
One former prosecutor doubts the USA would grant extradition given the double jeopardy argument
I followed this trial pretty closely and read numerous reviews. Based on what I learned, I would have "Rule 29'd" the case. (meaning grant the defense a directed verdict at the close of the prosecution case). The Prosecution was a joke in this matter
If Italy issues an extradition request, then it's not only legal considerations that come into play. She has popular support and a couple of high-placed politicians right now, but then future cooperation from Italy/Europe on American extradition requests has to be taken into account. I reckon it's 50/50 on her being sent back. Eventually.
Oh get off your high horse. Most people who the US wants extradited get extradited.. even the mentally handicapped. The only reason that Polanski has not been given over is because he is a French citizen and the French do not hand French citizens over to other countries that have the death penalty.
And based on one case you are slandering the whole of Europe. Fact is Europe usually bends over backwards to please its US master when it comes to extraditing people, where asand refuses to hand them over.the US harbours everything from Nazi war criminals to convicted terrorists
The "new evidence" defense for this current trial and guilty verdict has been brought up numerous times in this thread. I (and others) have asked exactly what this "new evidence" was. If that question has been answered, I have missed it. Could someone please enlighten me about this new evidence please?
The "new evidence" defense for this current trial and guilty verdict has been brought up numerous times in this thread. I (and others) have asked exactly what this "new evidence" was. If that question has been answered, I have missed it. Could someone please enlighten me about this new evidence please?
You sure seem to be talking about a treat you apparently haven't read. I didn't know so I looked it up.
From the text of the treaty between the US and Italy: "Article 6, provides that extradition shall be denied when the person sought has been in jeopardy in the requested State for the same offense."
In what universe? You attack me, falsely, claiming I "consistently opine" that American justice sucks, with zero evidence to back up your personal attack on me and when I call you on it you claim I'm personally attacking you - bait much??
Secondly, I didn't claim that soldiers were in custody - I asked the question "aren't there soldiers in custody?" - there's a difference you might not understand. In my second response to you I did correct it to CIA agents rather than soldiers - I find it remarkable that you wouldn't have even heard about the incident.
As for Polanski, the outcome was as I stated - he pled guilty to a lesser charge - not "charges", as you falsely claim - he did not, as you falsely claim, plead guilty to "drugging and raping a 13-yr-old girl" - he pled guilty to unlawful sexual intercourse - a far different an far lesser charge - and after pre-sentencing evaluation, in which all parties recommended probation, his lawyers were informed, by the judge, that his sentence would include jail time and deportation so he fled.
So we can play semantic games and we can play "gotcha" if you want - the basic facts and outcomes are the same. Had your purpose been a discussion of the issues rather than a blatant attack on me personally, that would have been evident.
I've already pointed out that this isn't a double jeopardy case. Guess you weren't paying attention.
In those countries where Double Jeopardy is not an absolute principle, it is nevertheless extremely difficult for the state to make a case unless new evidence comes to light.
Not even if new evidence is unearthed?
I think there are a couple of problerms with retrying the case - even with new evidence. First is the whole power of the state issue. A successful criminal defense costs hundreds of thousands or in some cases millions of dollars. Very few people can afford that. Even fewer can afford that twice. It's inherently unfair to the defendant.
Secondly new evidence isn't really new. By the time a case goes to trial several years have gone by and it may be years more until the new evidence is unearthed. That much time has to make the new evidence suspect.
I see. All right, what exactly is that "new" evidence that the Italian authorities have suddenly discovered? Please, share your knowledge and information with us.
No, they refused to extradite him because A) they are France, B) it gave them a chance to stick their finger in the eye of America, C) he's famous, and D) rape of a 13 year old girl is no big deal in that cesspool of a country.
Can't argue with your comments - I don't think anyone knows the "truth" as to what happened with Amanda Knox and her roommates that night - the case was handled poorly. My comments were simply related to the international laws and processes for detaining and extraditing people convicted or charged in other countries.
With Polanski, if I'm not mistaken, he had/has dual citizenship in the US and France, so the French were protecting him - protecting their citizen - similar to how the US will no doubt protect Knox - but Polanski was detained in Switzerland, I think, where he had a home and where he travelled frequently - I'm not sure why they detained him last year after letting him travel freely for decades, but I guess the US reissued the request.
Personally, I think the American justice system is very fair to those accused but a little to harsh when it comes to punishment. The Italian system seems a little odd but I don't know the details. As for "double jeopardy", I'm pretty sure in Canada if there are errors in a trial, the prosecution can retry the case even if an accused was acquitted, so that part isn't uncommon.
But they got a conviction the first time around... and all that is in the appeal process now, with the first appeal freeing her on technicalities but the second appeal agreeing with the original conviction.
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