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Cephus said:
You are out of your fricking mind. Maybe you ought to rejoin reality and try again. You go right ahead and do that, you'll be in prison for the rest of your life before the body hits the floor.
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You are sitting there watching TV with your wife and kids. Suddenly down the hall the front door is kicked in and there is a mans figure silhouetted in the door. You reach for your phone, I'll reach for my gun. Good luck.
 
Leo said:
Thank you for making that point. I am 19 (20 next birthday,) and most of my friends are in that age demographic. None of us would be so immature as to act in the way the OP says he did, or to believe we had the right to murder anyone who commits an annoying civic misdemeanour. Nor would we seek legal advice on a political discussion forum.

I see this as either a trolling attempt, or indication of a serious mental imbalance. Professional help should be sought. :)
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Children of liberals, we are doomed.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
The way I look at it coming on my land without being invited is no different than coming through my front door without being invited. Maybe you have to be a land owner to get that.
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Sawyer, listen to Clownboy please... he's giving you the straight stuff and talking sense.

I'm only going to add one more: admit nothing. Mum's the word until you talk to a lawyer. If he didn't record you saying it, and there were no witnesses, there's no proof you said it until you admit you said it.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I have been having a problem with a certain person who goes across the lower part of my land on a snowmobile. I have asked him not to do it because I like my peace and quiet and just don't want to hear that screaming thing go by. I live three miles from my nearest neighbor for a reason I told him and I don't want your noise. He just keeps doing it though because it his his way to access FS land. Finally I got fed up and told him if I catch him on my land I will shoot him. I followed this up with a sign where he comes through saying TRESPASSERS WILL BE SHOT ON SIGHT. He took the sign for "evidence" he said and claims he is going to press charges that I threatened his life. I think he's pissin in the wind and I have a right to say if you come in my house, on my land or trespass in any way I will shoot you. Am I right or wrong? Do I need a lawyer?:lol:
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Stupid thing to do. Hope it gives you some sleepless nights. Take the damned sign down and just put up a No Tresspassing sign. Then call 911 and report incursions.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
The way I look at it coming on my land without being invited is no different than coming through my front door without being invited. Maybe you have to be a land owner to get that.
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The law doesn't look at it that way.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
You are sitting there watching TV with your wife and kids. Suddenly down the hall the front door is kicked in and there is a mans figure silhouetted in the door. You reach for your phone, I'll reach for my gun. Good luck.
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Seriously, you need some professional help, you're paranoid.
 
APACHERAT said:
I know that California still has a law on the books where it's a criminal offense to remove a no trespassing sign.

Each state has different trespassing laws. Those states west of the Mississippi seem to favor the property owners.

In California a no trespassing sign has to have certain wording and has to be exact. Otherwise the no trespassing sign has no effect.

But California is changing, there are some who actually believe there is no such thing as personal property rights. They believe anyone has the right to go through anyones backyard to access public property. These people are known as socialist.

I've found that radio active signs seem to keep some from trespassing over my land.

A Gadsden flag on a flagpole works wonders. NRA decals also work when they are on a no trespassing sign.
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A high fence with an unlocked gate with a sign, "Lion enclosure. Please keep gate closed." should discourage most trespassers.
 
Well, not reading too many of the comments here before responding I've a few suggestions and or comments. Excuse the repeat if I did.

1. Why telegraph your move? If you've got 3 miles between you and your neighbors a few shots across the bow next time he comes a trespassing will give him the hint and what are the police gonna do? You can discharge your weapon on your own land in a rural setting as you've pictured it.

2. How is the neighbor going to explain not only his trespassing to the police but also the evidence of his trespassing that comes in the form of a stolen sign?

3. More than likely from similar experiences I've known about the police will come to your house, inform you that charges are being brought up against you and get your side of the story to bring back to the prosecutor so that he can decide whether or not to prosecute. If you get this visit, than as the police man will tell you, yes, you need to lawyer up.
 
Goshin said:
Sawyer, listen to Clownboy please... he's giving you the straight stuff and talking sense.

I'm only going to add one more: admit nothing. Mum's the word until you talk to a lawyer. If he didn't record you saying it, and there were no witnesses, there's no proof you said it until you admit you said it.
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While that's the right advice I'd suggest that where Sawyer is living the result is most likely to be a stern talking to if anything at all.

A lot of folks in his neck of the woods hunt their land for basic subsistence or work their timber so trespassers could really mess things up by scaring game away or spiking trees. They could also cause an issue if they injure themselves on his land so the issue is more than just noise and annoyance.

Obviously, threatening to shoot someone isn't a great idea but if he didn't have the means to accomplish the task at the time the threat was made and hasn't started stalking the guy or setting booby traps it's pretty much a non-issue.
 
Goshin said:
Sawyer, listen to Clownboy please... he's giving you the straight stuff and talking sense.

I'm only going to add one more: admit nothing. Mum's the word until you talk to a lawyer. If he didn't record you saying it, and there were no witnesses, there's no proof you said it until you admit you said it.
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That's right.

Deny till you Die....
 
Offer the guy a beer, tell him you want to make amends by taking him on a road trip to Disney World, and as soon as you cross the state line into Florida, put a bullet in his brain and claim you were in fear of your life.

Easy peasy. :lol:
 
It's a good thing for you that Michael Dunn wasn't the trespasser.
When he hears a threat on his life, he will shoot your heart out, shoot up the car you're in, and then run away and hide.

One day you are going to threaten to shoot the wrong guy and you will end up like Jordan Davis.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Some good advice on what I should have done in here. Too late now though, once again my hot head may have got me in a bit of trouble. Think I'll go snow shoeing and Zen out, ohhhhhhm.:lol::2wave:
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This is my message to you-hoo-hoo.

 
sawyerloggingon said:
I have been having a problem with a certain person who goes across the lower part of my land on a snowmobile. I have asked him not to do it because I like my peace and quiet and just don't want to hear that screaming thing go by. I live three miles from my nearest neighbor for a reason I told him and I don't want your noise. He just keeps doing it though because it his his way to access FS land. Finally I got fed up and told him if I catch him on my land I will shoot him. I followed this up with a sign where he comes through saying TRESPASSERS WILL BE SHOT ON SIGHT. He took the sign for "evidence" he said and claims he is going to press charges that I threatened his life. I think he's pissin in the wind and I have a right to say if you come in my house, on my land or trespass in any way I will shoot you. Am I right or wrong? Do I need a lawyer?:lol:
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If this is true, yes, you need a lawyer. He has grounds to file suit against you. You do not have the right to threaten someone specifically like that. If you had a problem, then you should have called the police and/or file your own suit. That is why we have a legal system.

With respect to land and your ability to shoot people on it. Most states limit that right to imminent self defense, not as an intimidation tactic for a neighbor you don't like. You have the right defend yourself and in some cases your property in some states with deadly force, but you do not have the right to shoot someone for straying onto your land whether intentional or not.
 
MaggieD said:
Stupid thing to do. Hope it gives you some sleepless nights. Take the damned sign down and just put up a No Tresspassing sign. Then call 911 and report incursions.
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I had a regular no trespassing sign up but the guy ignored it. Maybe I went off the rails a bit here but since my conversation with him he has not come back on my land. After mulling this over though I think his threat to have me arrested will never happen. In order to do so he has to admit he has and plans to continue trespassing on my land. I think I won here although I admit there was probably a better way.
 
Buck Ewer said:
It's a good thing for you that Michael Dunn wasn't the trespasser.
When he hears a threat on his life, he will shoot your heart out, shoot up the car you're in, and then run away and hide.

One day you are going to threaten to shoot the wrong guy and you will end up like Jordan Davis.
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Dunn shot into a car full of kids. It was a cowardly act. I first politely asked the man to stay off my property, strike one. Then I told him face to face if he continued to trespass I would shoot him, strike two. I think he took me serious so there will not be a strike three. See the difference here?
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Dunn shot into a car full of kids. It was a cowardly act. I first politely asked the man to stay off my property, strike one. Then I told him face to face if he continued to trespass I would shoot him, strike two. I think he took me serious so there will not be a strike three. See the difference here?
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Look, I don't think anyone here equates you with the like of Michael Dunn. You come across as an honourable man who has perhaps acted a bit hastily, and all people here are doing is giving you sound advice with your interests at heart. If I were you, I would take that advice. :)
 
What are your state laws? Here in Texas we get to shoot anyone for anything. It's pretty cool here.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Dunn shot into a car full of kids. It was a cowardly act. I first politely asked the man to stay off my property, strike one. Then I told him face to face if he continued to trespass I would shoot him, strike two. I think he took me serious so there will not be a strike three. See the difference here?
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I am not equating you with Dunn ...I am equating you with Davis...
See the difference?
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I have been having a problem with a certain person who goes across the lower part of my land on a snowmobile. I have asked him not to do it because I like my peace and quiet and just don't want to hear that screaming thing go by. I live three miles from my nearest neighbor for a reason I told him and I don't want your noise. He just keeps doing it though because it his his way to access FS land. Finally I got fed up and told him if I catch him on my land I will shoot him. I followed this up with a sign where he comes through saying TRESPASSERS WILL BE SHOT ON SIGHT. He took the sign for "evidence" he said and claims he is going to press charges that I threatened his life. I think he's pissin in the wind and I have a right to say if you come in my house, on my land or trespass in any way I will shoot you. Am I right or wrong? Do I need a lawyer?:lol:
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Don't know about where you live, but in Texas, shooting trespassers is legal.

Frankly, maybe you should try a fence first, then some type of legal injunction. Personally, I wouldn't shoot him just for that until I tried other things first. But I would aim at the engine of his machine, not him.

As to whether you need a lawyer or not, guess that would depend on the laws of your state.
 
It seems to me that as far as the threat it's your word against his and as an old friend once said: "Don't cop to nothing!".

So just deny the threat, in fact I would have no verbal contact with the trespasser at all, just video them from afar.

Is a fence out of the question? Some barbed wire maybe?

I have some land I plan on retiring to and one of the first things I'm going to do is put a fence up and get a good dog.

Hope this gets resolved amicably for all concerned and good luck!

Thx :)
 
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