All 50 US states fail to meet global police use of force standards, report finds[W:54

[ludin]

Re: All 50 US states fail to meet global police use of force standards, report finds

Holy ****ing ignorance batman. Now many police shootings are justified. Many are not. So many people have this idea that police should be free to gun down citizens at the slightest provocation.

This is 2 fallacies in 1 sentence. 1 it is a strawman. 2 an appeal to emotion.
no one anywhere has suggested this.

It is sickening. Lethal force should be a last resort. Not a first option. Certainly not every time a cop draws his gun. What is wrong with you people. I can understand if an officers life is in immediate danger, or civilians are genuinely in danger. But this instances are very few and far between. Protect and serve. Not shoot to kill. A badge is not a license to kill.

no one has said it is yet another strawman.

however we do give cops a good leeway in their judgment on a call. the ones that break the law have been put in prison or charged with cases pending.
the others were let go of based on the evidence.

 

[ludin]

Re: All 50 US states fail to meet global police use of force standards, report finds

Did you forget the whole part on wish they call for a change of laws and policy? ?

they can call for change all they want to it has no affect on the US. they are not a governing body or anything else that has any power whatsoever.

 

[Kreton]

Re: All 50 US states fail to meet global police use of force standards, report finds

This is 2 fallacies in 1 sentence. 1 it is a strawman. 2 an appeal to emotion.
no one anywhere has suggested this.



no one has said it is yet another strawman.

however we do give cops a good leeway in their judgment on a call. the ones that break the law have been put in prison or charged with cases pending.
the others were let go of based on the evidence.

No-one has suggested it? Which part specifically? Cops free to gun down people? Read posts in this forum in threads about cop shootings.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

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they can call for change all they want to it has no affect on the US. they are not a governing body or anything else that has any power whatsoever.

So you are on a debate politics site just to reinforce the status quo and remind everyone what current law is?

 

[Caine]

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:doh Psh we can claim to be the leaders of the "Free world" but when others are more free than the rest of us, they just dont know the true meanings of 'freedom' and 'justice'. Murica **** yea.

Yes... others are more free than us.

They are more free to make victims of their fellow man, then violently escape capture and prosecution.

In America.... those kinds of **** ups ain't tolerated.

 

[Jerry]

Re: All 50 US states fail to meet global police use of force standards, report finds

... -- a handful already, and we're only on page 2 --....

I see only 1 page.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Re: All 50 US states fail to meet global police use of force standards, report finds

Yes... others are more free than us.

They are more free to make victims of their fellow man, then violently escape capture and prosecution.

In America.... those kinds of **** ups ain't tolerated.

Ahhh yes, nothing spells justice like stability, and essential unregulated use of lethal force. Protect and serve. Freedom and justice. Muah. Easy justice if someone is dead right? Easy justice if all the protesters are locked up right? They should of been in a 'free speech zone' anyways, right?

 

[TheDemSocialist]

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I see only 1 page.

Post #3.........................

 

[Excon]

Re: All 50 US states fail to meet global police use of force standards, report finds

As long as cops keep shooting at unarmed Black men, and cowardly shooting them in the back you will keep the feds on your ass, the next year and a half will be taxing on Loretta Lynch, no problem the tax payers will pick up the tab..

As long as the cops keep up their Bull****, more buildings will be looted and burned down, costing small business owners Millions, I'm down with that I don't own anything that's getting torched, LOL..

Burn baby burn!!!!!!!

Your opinion is part of the problem, especially as shooting in the back is allowed.
What actually matters is if the particle shooting fits within the criteria for allowance. Not whether someone or group dislikes it.

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This isnt about "everyone else". This is about basic rights and civil society.

No it really isn't.
It is a report about failing to act absurdly in response to criminals.
That police are allowed to act the way they do is a good thing.
Other countries should be following our example.

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What an incomprehensibly dim-witted, hateful, and childish belief.

You have defined AI's and your position to a "T".

 

[SmokeAndMirrors]

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You have defined AI's and your position to a "T".

Your response is "I'm rubber, you're glue"? You can't be serious.

I didn't think it was possible in light of the complete garbage in this thread, but I appear to have overestimated the debating ability of my opponents.

 

[Excon]

Re: All 50 US states fail to meet global police use of force standards, report finds

Your response is "I'm rubber, you're glue"? You can't be serious.

As you have defined AI's and your position to a "T" that is the only response you deserve.

 

[SmokeAndMirrors]

Re: All 50 US states fail to meet global police use of force standards, report finds

As you have defined AI's and your position to a "T" that is the only response you deserve.

It isn't a response at all. It is simply putting your fingers in your ears and screaming, "I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"

That's why I asked if you were serious. That's something 1st graders say on the playground.

Do you have any real response?

 

[Excon]

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It isn't a response at all. It is simply putting your fingers in your ears and screaming, "I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"

That's why I asked if you were serious. That's something 1st graders say on the playground.

Do you have any real response?

:doh iLOL :lamo
Clearly I have read and heard what you said, which is why I can say you have defined AI's and your position to a "T". Which is a response and the only type you deserve.

 

[SmokeAndMirrors]

Re: All 50 US states fail to meet global police use of force standards, report finds

:doh iLOL :lamo
Clearly I have read and heard what you said, which is why I can say you have defined AI's and your position to a "T". Which is a response and the only type you deserve.

I guess not. Apparently you're not even capable of coming up with a new sentence. As you were, I guess. :coffeepap

 

[Excon]

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I guess not. Apparently you're not even capable of coming up with a new sentence.

I don't need to come up with a new sentence as the original drives the point home quite nicely.

 

[rocket88]

Re: All 50 US states fail to meet global police use of force standards, report finds

What is it you think AI wants?

Aren't they part of the vast liberal conspiracy that's out to get them?

 

[Caine]

Re: All 50 US states fail to meet global police use of force standards, report finds

Ahhh yes, nothing spells justice like stability, and essential unregulated use of lethal force. Protect and serve. Freedom and justice. Muah. Easy justice if someone is dead right? Easy justice if all the protesters are locked up right? They should of been in a 'free speech zone' anyways, right?

Who said its unregulated?
The use of lethal force is indeed regulated.

A law
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enforcement officer is justified in using deadly physical force upon
another person for a purpose specified in subdivision (1) of this subsection
only when
it is or appears to be reasonably necessary thereby:
a.
To defend himself or a third person from what he reasonably believes
to be the use or imminent use of deadly physical force;
b.
To effect an arrest or to prevent the escape from custody of a person
wh
o he reasonably believes is attempting to escape by means of a
deadly weapon, or who by his conduct or any other means indicates
that he presents an imminent threat of death or serious physical
injury to others unless apprehended without delay; or
c.
To pr
event the escape of a person from custody imposed upon him as
a result of conviction for a felony.
Nothing in this subdivision constitutes justification for willful, malicious or
criminally negligent conduct by any person which injures or endangers any
per
son or property, nor shall it be construed to excuse or justify the use of
unreasonable or excessive force.

That there is called "regulation"

 

[mike2810]

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Holy ****ing ignorance batman. Now many police shootings are justified. Many are not. So many people have this idea that police should be free to gun down citizens at the slightest provocation. It is sickening. Lethal force should be a last resort. Not a first option. Certainly not every time a cop draws his gun. What is wrong with you people. I can understand if an officers life is in immediate danger, or civilians are genuinely in danger. But this instances are very few and far between. Protect and serve. Not shoot to kill. A badge is not a license to kill.

I agree ignorance, batman....

How many LEO shootings are justified... imo, most of them.
How many instances where the LEO, or the public are genuinely in danger, imo most of them.

I get the impression you believe the LEO work in a Mayberry RFD environment.:mrgreen:

Yes, there are cases where the shooting was not justified. imo, its the exception rather than the rule.

 

[Doppelgangirl]

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Your response is "I'm rubber, you're glue"? You can't be serious.

I didn't think it was possible in light of the complete garbage in this thread, but I appear to have overestimated the debating ability of my opponents.

I find the responses err.... Enlightening? In a disturbing sort of way?





IMHO, it seems like a corrupt version of the "American Exceptionalism" mindset one frequently encounters in these conversations. I'm reminded of why things have to be structurally set up to be understood by the "lowest common denominators" in the general population.



Because, 'MURICA! :stooges

It's the answer for every question!!! :lol:



"Dear World-- on behalf of myself, and I know many of my more reasonable fellow countrymen and women, I apologize. We know you don't hate us for our freedom. You hate us because of our idiots."




People like these are the very reason people like myself frequently claim to be Canadian when we travel.

 

[blackjack50]

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Stopped at Michael Brown being given the victim status which was.... Ah yes, page 1.

There ya go. What business do other nations have on discussing our use of force policies? Especially when they claim a scumbag like brown as a victim. Someone who had plenty of evidence to clear the officer.

 

[blackjack50]

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I doubt many people bitching and moaning about use of force even understand it. They don't understand the deadly world officers live in:



Consider this video the next time you expect and officer to go hands on ALONE with a drugged up crack addict who may have hep a and B.

 

[ludin]

Re: All 50 US states fail to meet global police use of force standards, report finds

No-one has suggested it? Which part specifically? Cops free to gun down people? Read posts in this forum in threads about cop shootings.

i am sure there are some outliers but to try and use those as some kind of standard or use it as a broad paint brush is well yet another fallacy.

 

[ludin]

Re: All 50 US states fail to meet global police use of force standards, report finds

So you are on a debate politics site just to reinforce the status quo and remind everyone what current law is?

I just showed where the system was working as it is supposed to.
which negates whatever AI has to say.

 

[Excon]

Re: All 50 US states fail to meet global police use of force standards, report finds

I find the responses err.... Enlightening? In a disturbing sort of way?


IMHO, it seems like a corrupt version of the "American Exceptionalism" mindset one frequently encounters in these conversations. I'm reminded of why things have to be structurally set up to be understood by the "lowest common denominators" in the general population.


Because, 'MURICA! :stooges

It's the answer for every question!!! :lol:


"Dear World-- on behalf of myself, and I know many of my more reasonable fellow countrymen and women, I apologize. We know you don't hate us for our freedom. You hate us because of our idiots."


People like these are the very reason people like myself frequently claim to be Canadian when we travel.

:doh
So what you are saying is that you do not understand the idiocy of the AI report as well as the fact that we are a sovereign nation.

And no. If you claim to be a Canadian it isn't becasue of folk like me, it is because of folks like yourself.

 

[Doppelgangirl]

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:doh
So what you are saying is that you do not understand the idiocy of the AI report as well as the fact that we are a sovereign nation.

And no. If you claim to be a Canadian it isn't becasue of folk like me, it is because of folks like yourself.

The point went right over your head, apparently.

Of course we are a sovereign nation, that has nothing to do with it. When we are clearly lacking in some areas, falling behind other nations, it's not "patriotic" to blindly follow America -- simply "cuz 'Murica!" We aren't above criticism.

And yes, blind allegiance, like what has been displayed on this thread from people like yourself is, in fact, precisely why most seasoned travelers don't want to be judged based on nationality.