ALEC's Stand Yur ground law lets whites kill blacks and walk [W:823]

[VanceMack]

What? I never heard her say any such thing.....she never said anything about him "going back" at any time....Creepy assed cracker is how he described the man that was following him.....That is how he perceived Zimmerman......

We know he was by his daddy's girlfriends house when they were talking and we know she told him to run home...the other way from where the altercation took place.

Creepy ass cracker...yep...by her accounting thats not a derogatory slang for a white person but rather a descriptor for a cop or security guard. And she is all kinds of trustworthy...so...

 

[Juanita]

WTF?
Check yourself.
I am not the one.
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Read what you quoted and find out. Duh!


Wrong.
Not remembering something you had sat through two years previously, is not a lie. Or did you not know that?
You must not know what a lie is.


Your problem is thinking that a dynamic event was somehow static.
It wasn't static. It moved.


You clearly do not know what a lie is.
He said he saw Trayvon looking into homes. That can not be proven to be a lie, so you should just stop with the absurd assertions.



It is not understandable. It was bs. She wasn't believable, nor does her account change what was seem by John Good.

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Secondly, she said she lied because Trayvon's mother was in the same room. Guess who was in the Court Room during her testimony? Trayvon's mother. Her word is a good indication that she would continue to lie under those circumstances. Duh!

That is so much Bull####....... It was a year later that she had to testify.......no, you don't "forget" that you took a course that included Stand Your Ground.....he got an A in the course....He lied......yes--it was not static--so how did it go straight through his heart? T looking into houses can not be proved to be the truth either....

 

[Juanita]

Except that we know he didn't want to be at this time.
He didn't even want to be a member of COPs.


Which also means that there was n o racial profiling.
So stop with the absurdities.

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Crapola friend---plain old B.S.

 

[Juanita]

Wrong!
Trayvon accosted Zimmerman.

Sorry, I don't believe that.......

 

[Excon]

That is so much Bull####....... It was a year later that she had to testify.......no, you don't "forget" that you took a course that included Stand Your Ground.....he got an A in the course....He lied......yes--it was not static--so how did it go straight through his heart? T looking into houses can not be proved to be the truth either....

Wrong!

Crapola friend---plain old B.S.

Yes. Everything you said has been crap.

Sorry, I don't believe that.......

Then you do not believe the evidence.
Sorry, your opinion is worthless then.

 

[Juanita]

You got it right to here.



Lets go by what the actual evidence says rather than stories from the land of make believe....

Zimmerman followed Martin. Legal.
Zimmerman Called the police Legal.
Zimmerman went back to his car. Legal.
Trayvon went to Zimmerman. Legal.

So far nothing illegal here.

Trayvon seen by witnesses on top of Zimmerman. Illegal battery.
Trayvon seen by witnesses pounding Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk. Illegal aggravated battery.
Zimmerman identified by witness screaming for help. Legal.
Zimmerman pulls weapon to defend himself from the aggravated battery by a 6'2" young adult. Legal.

Hmmm... Looks pretty clear to me after you wade through the made up crap.

There was also testimony by witnesses who said that it was TM on the bottom, underneath Zimmerman.... what say ye about that?

 

[Juanita]

His story is backed by witnesses. I guess they are lying as well? :lamo

No, not by all of the witnesses....

 

[Juanita]

Yea, we are just suffering. Notice we are not mad, wasting time or money? Do you realise how really pathetic that sounds on your part? I am still wondering what you feel I or anyone besides Zimmerman was holding out for?

We? Gotta mouse in your pocket? Why would 'you' be suffering? Holding out for? What? I don't "get" your question or your point......

 

[Juanita]

No, Juanita

Z's testimony, proof of his injuries and witnesses seeing the conflict

Z did not lie

Not all the witnesses testified that TM was on top......Yes, he had a few minor injuries.... While TM was supposedly banging his head on the sidewalk, what was Zimmerman,s hands and arms doing--just laying there?--until he shot TM, of course..... I just don't buy it...... Z did lie.

 

[Juanita]

I like burritos

Do they have burritos in Peru?

 

[Juanita]

Z's loose end is the immunity hearing

That may be..but it will only save him from a civil trial and not from an investigation by the DOJ....

 

[Juanita]

Ok, Juanita

Get some sleep. We will talk tomorrow

Thanks..I think I can hang a bit longer tho.......but if I disappear, you will know why....

 

[Juanita]

We know he was by his daddy's girlfriends house when they were talking and we know she told him to run home...the other way from where the altercation took place.

Creepy ass cracker...yep...by her accounting thats not a derogatory slang for a white person but rather a descriptor for a cop or security guard. And she is all kinds of trustworthy...so...[/QUOTE



He did not run home, but Zimmerman was right there, so he didn't run anywhere at that point... Who cares what she thinks the term means--this isn't her native language....cracker--cracka--who knows if it is two different words or not.....maybe it means a cop on crack for all you know....

 

[Juanita]

Wrong!


Yes. Everything you said has been crap.


Then you do not believe the evidence.
Sorry, your opinion is worthless then.

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I don't believe Zimmerman, that's for sure... My opinion is worth as much as yours.....Half of the jury did not believe Z and only found him not guilty because the jury instructions didn't give them much choice.....

 

[Excon]

My opinion is worth as much as yours..

Is that what you think?
iLOL
:doh

Half of the jury did not believe Z and only found him not guilty because the jury instructions didn't give them much choice.....

:naughty
Half of the jury did.
The other half was later convinced by what the law and evidence said.

So stop with the absurdities.

 

[haymarket]

Forensic evidence.

Yes. Martin did have the right to defend himself. If he had pushed Zimmerman down and then walked away he might have been in the right and alive. If Zimmerman had shot Martin as Martin walked away then it would have been murder.

But that did not happen. The evidence points to self defense. Martin did not need to die. It is a shame that he took actions that resulted in his death.

And what "forensic evidence" can you cite that definitively proves Martin struck first?

 

[haymarket]

This tells me what I need to know. Those who believe and speak as you do are patsies, or useful idiots who do not care what the facts are. So why be that guy? What is in it for you?

I have no idea what that has to do with anything.

 

[Black Dog]

There was also testimony by witnesses who said that it was TM on the bottom, underneath Zimmerman.... what say ye about that?

None of them were outside and they were not certain. So not much to say about that except you really need to research better.

 

[Black Dog]

No, not by all of the witnesses....

Oh yea, I forgot Jabba the slut.

 

[Black Dog]

We? Gotta mouse in your pocket? Why would 'you' be suffering? Holding out for? What? I don't "get" your question or your point......

You are typing and don't even now what you are saying? Here ya go...

The Right is stupid if they think that the aggravation, stress, limelight, hiding out for Zimmerman isn't worth all the grinding away that can possibly be done.....

Wow, just wow.

 

[ttwtt78640]

There was also testimony by witnesses who said that it was TM on the bottom, underneath Zimmerman.... what say ye about that?

Care to cite that testimony for us? The state called one such witness, Selma Mora, who testified that she did not see anything until after the gunshot. After TM was shot many saw him on the ground, so why was this witness needed?

 

[buck]

And what "forensic evidence" can you cite that definitively proves Martin struck first?

This wasn't a reply to me, but just FYI... in the court of law the prosecution has to prove who struck first. The defense does not have to prove anything. There is a reasonable belief that Trayvon struck first. There is reasonable doubt that George grabbed first.

 

[buck]

Care to cite that testimony for us? The state called one such witness, Selma Mora, who testified that she did not see anything until after the gunshot. After TM was shot many saw him on the ground, so why was this witness needed?

That's exactly the issue. The individuals that saw George on top only saw that after the gunshot. Which lines up with what George stated, that he got on top of Trayvon after the gunshot. The defense did really well with bringing that out through cross examination.

 

[haymarket]

This wasn't a reply to me, but just FYI... in the court of law the prosecution has to prove who struck first. The defense does not have to prove anything. There is a reasonable belief that Trayvon struck first. There is reasonable doubt that George grabbed first.

You confuse this debate site with a court of law, the presumptions there and the rules of evidence there. A person here claimed that forensic evidence proved that Martin struck first. I merely asked for that forensic evidence.

 

[buck]

You confuse this debate site with a court of law, the presumptions there and the rules of evidence there. A person here claimed that forensic evidence proved that Martin struck first. I merely asked for that forensic evidence.

I apologize then. I'm just pointing out that there is a reason that George was found not guilty. In this case, there was no other choice.

As for evidence that Trayvon struck first? I can only point to Trayvon having zero injuries/bruising (other then the GSW and his knuckle). If George had struck first, you would expect some form of injury on trayvon.