Stinger said:Sounds like they are in tune with the anti-war, anti-america crowd here. The Sheehan's and Pelosie's and Carville's and Frankan's must give them quite the comfort in thier plans.
Can we imagine if they both win.
TimmyBoy said:My position, based on what I know, is that Iraq was not a clear and present danger. It is my view that we made a mistake by launching an invasion of Iraq. We wouldn't be in this predicament if we did not invade this country.
Al-queda was not strong in Iraq prior to the invasion. However, now that we have invaded Iraq, Al-queda is strong in Iraq
and we can't cut and run, because the consequences for cutting and running would be severe and could threaten all of the Middle East and the rest of the world.
Also by invading, we leave ourselves open to where we can't deal with other threats like Iran or North Korea more effectively,
which are trying to obtain nuclear weapons while the other one probably does possess some nuclear devices. I believe it was a strategic error, this invasion.
TimmyBoy said:"More than half of this battle is taking place in the battlefield of the media," he wrote. "We are in a media battle in a race for the hearts and minds of our umma," or community of Muslims, he wrote.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051011/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_al_qaida
America made a war where there was none. The upshot is & may well be in the long term, less stability in the region & a greater threat from Muslim Extremists.TimmyBoy said:My position, based on what I know, is that Iraq was not a clear and present danger. It is my view that we made a mistake by launching an invasion of Iraq. We wouldn't be in this predicament if we did not invade this country. Al-queda was not strong in Iraq prior to the invasion. However, now that we have invaded Iraq, Al-queda is strong in Iraq and we can't cut and run, because the consequences for cutting and running would be severe and could threaten all of the Middle East and the rest of the world.
TimmyBoy said:My position, based on what I know, is that Iraq was not a clear and present danger. It is my view that we made a mistake by launching an invasion of Iraq. We wouldn't be in this predicament if we did not invade this country. Al-queda was not strong in Iraq prior to the invasion. However, now that we have invaded Iraq, Al-queda is strong in Iraq and we can't cut and run, because the consequences for cutting and running would be severe and could threaten all of the Middle East and the rest of the world.
Also by invading, we leave ourselves open to where we can't deal with other threats like Iran or North Korea more effectively, which are trying to obtain nuclear weapons while the other one probably does possess some nuclear devices. I believe it was a strategic error, this invasion.
akyron said:"If you understood what Communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that one day we would become Communist."_ Jane Fonda 1970
kal-el said:I agree with this sentiment.
I believe Gunny posted this article last night?
Check out the last post: http://www.debatepolitics.com/showthread.php?t=3352&page=115
Even Aymen al-Zawahiri understands the news media of today, so it is no surprise that such media savvy actors are working in the shadows.getinvolved said:Oh Jane, I can't imagine how this idea did not catch on!
robin said:How Bin Laden must now love the Bush camp, becuase this is precisely his wish... the USA mired in war on Muslim turf.
TimmyBoy said:When you look at the invasion of Iraq, all the facts surrounding the invasion of Iraq, it makes one wonder just how much the US government honestly and truly cares for it's own people.
,It seems that fighting terror was not a concern at all in invading Iraq
,rather it appears as if it was just an elite group of people who control the government
invading a country at the cost of their own people, so that they may profit from it.
Iriemon said:I say let them have it! Rather than US troops getting shot up and spending all our money on that country where they obviously could care less about us, let's let Al-Queda take it over and let them deal with civil war and daily attacks and fanatics from three different groups who hate each other. Let them get their guys killed with suicide bombers every other day. Fight terrorists with terrorists.
And if they get too threatening we bomb the hell out of them.
TimmyBoy said:If we were to leave and they became a serious threat to us, bombing them wouldn't do any good, putting troops on the ground wouldn't do any good, it seems the only alternative would be to nuke them and basically wipe their entire country off the map.
Iriemon said:Why would you suppose the Iraqis would love Al-Queda running their country any better than us?
TimmyBoy said:Well, if we leave, we leave a power vaccum that needs to be filled and Al-queda would probably try to fill. Just like the Taliban did in Afghanistan after Soviet troops left. Their regime became a threat to the world and sheltered Bin Laden. Most Afghan people didn't want to be ruled by the Taliban, but the Taliban ruled because they ruled by force, fear, intimidation and also by providing some security to people. The same case could happen in Iraq if US troops depart.
Iriemon said:I say let them have it! Rather than US troops getting shot up and spending all our money on that country where they obviously could care less about us, let's let Al-Queda take it over and let them deal with civil war and daily attacks and fanatics from three different groups who hate each other. Let them get their guys killed with suicide bombers every other day. Fight terrorists with terrorists.
Stinger said:Oh they'll handle it, they'll do it with summary executions. They'll do it with rape and murder. Then they will take over the entire country and use it as their base of operations and financial cash cow. Then they will probably go after Kuwait and it's resources then Saudi Arabi, Syria, Lebanon and of course wipe out Isreal in the process.
And then what do we do?
Iriemon said:That presumes a lot --
Al Queda did not control Iraq before we jumped in. But I don't doubt there is a risk that there could be a radical government much worse than Hussein. To bad nobody thought of that before Mar 03, eh?
But if Al Queda actually takes over the Govt, they'd have good bombing targets instead of when they are hiding in a bunch of caves where we can't find them.
Only an idiot would believe that the people listed above support anything Al-Quaeda.Stinger said:Sounds like they are in tune with the anti-war, anti-america crowd here. The Sheehan's and Pelosie's and Carville's and Frankan's must give them quite the comfort in thier plans.
Can we imagine if they both win.
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