It's not like that at all. Now if I wrote a memo planning some actions with my closest allies, then carried out those plans or some portion thereof, that would be similar. If any actions in that plan were illegal, then that plan would be illegal. Calling a plan illegal because it prescribed actions that are illegal in and of themselves is completely valid. Without a verdict as a finding of fact, however, this is just an opinion. Not all opinions are wrong. Some opinions are nonsensical.
You're speaking in hypotheticals because you don't want to address the actual testimony. Hutchinson recounted discussions with Trump's director of operations and head of SS. Nothing "prejudicial" about that testimony. Further, hearsay is in fact OFTEN allowed in courtrooms. See the long list of exceptions. You have no idea if this bit of testimony would be admitted into evidence. What is it being introduced to "prove?" If it's the lunging for the wheel, perhaps not, but no one really cares about that small detail. What we know from other testimony, confirmed by Hutchinson's account, and others, is Trump was livid about not being allowed to join the mob at the Capitol.
Well, sure, to a person where "unofficially refuted" by anonymous spokespeople is more compelling than testimony under oath, it would look entirely partisan, because you don't like what she said. That's really the only problem here - makes Trump look like the deranged idiot he is, whether he lunged for the wheel or not.
The entire saga is a bad look for Trump. So sad....
No, she had a conversation with Ornato. Not Engels. Engels was in the room but he didn't add to, or detract anything from the conversation. For Christ's sake, dude. Learn to read, will ya?
You're deliberately mischaracterizing our point. It's not hard to understand, so the confusion is deliberate on your part. You're trying hard to pretend to miss our point entirely. It's not working....
I can't for the life of me figure out why you're defending this shit. Seriously. If Trump had his way, and Pence didn't hold his ground, the BEST case is we only have a constitutional crisis on our hands for a week or two as SCOTUS makes emergency rulings about the ability of the VP to choose which electors to count and which to reject, based on nothing but what Trump and Eastman told Pence to do. That process takes us to inauguration, if we are lucky, and the entire world is then wondering who the hell is President of those ****ed up United States being run like a tinpot dictatorship.
I did - you didn't have the courtesy to even quote it, much less address it. So I'm done. That's about the 5th time you've done that. I'm a slow learner. I'll try to remember that going forward - save us both some time, me writing, and you deciding what part of my post you'll cherry pick, and what to ignore.
Eastman's plan was for Vice President Mike Pence to halt the certification of the electoral votes, a step Pence had no legal power to take and refused to attempt. Eastman's plan was to have the states send alternative slates of electors from states Trump was disputing, including Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. He and his conspirators got people to falsely sign documents that they were the electors from the states, when they were not. Sounds illegal to me.
They might have to schedule several days of hearings to accommodate everyone that is disputing her stories. Except the Secret Service, they don't want them on TV exposing her.
She didn't even get the car right. Are you telling me the SS agent got the car wrong? That would never happen. She got the car wrong, because it was a story that was fed to her.
The corroberaters are coming soon, Anthony. Then the DOJ indictments, and subsequent indictments/trials/convictions. True American Patriots who actually value our Republic are not going to let this insurrection just be swept under the rug, as badly as you want that to happen. Sit back, take a seat, and allow the DOJ to do it's job. IT WILL BE WILD!
The car testimony was 2nd hand knowledge, which she readily admitted to. Trump isn't going to be indicted for grabbing a fricking steering wheel. He's going to be indicted for witness tampering, obstruction of Congress, inciting violence, dereliction of duty, and a bevy of many more important crimes.
Every vehicle a POTUS travels in is a Beast.
All Ornato has to do is testify under oath.
Look at the thread OP title, and look at what @Anthony60 wants to talk about, and what he doesn't want to talk about.
No, the Secret Service doesn't even call it that. "Beast" is a media creation. Another indication that the story was made up.
