AIDE DETAILS TRUMP’S RAGE ON JAN. 6He Knew Crowd Was Armed, but Tried to Loosen Security, Testimony Recounts

[Uncensored2008]

There you go lying again. I never called you a liar. Stop lying.

There you go with personal attacks again.

Good thing you're a leftist and not subject to the rules.

 

[Khayembii Communique]

Secret Service agent reportedly willing to testify Trump did not lunge at him

Row comes after ex-White House aide’s explosive testimony that portrayed a violent and unhinged Trump on day of Capitol attack

www.theguardian.com

Secret Service agents willing to testify Trump did not lunge at steering wheel during Capitol riot: source

Secret Service agents are prepared to refute testimony that Trump lunged at a steering wheel during the Jan. 6 riot to try to go to the Capitol, a source tells Fox News.

www.foxnews.com

Yes, we know, these links are peppered throughout all 80 pages of this thread.

 

[Binary_Digit]

Trumps people in the administration were far and few between, most of the staff was made up of Republicans, not Trump supporters. There is a very large difference as the establishment wing had infested the White House. I put that mistake squarely on Trump. If it was me. I would have fired all and went to a skeletal staff I knew a could trust. I hope does that if he gets in next time.

Is there no scenario where Trump could possibly be the one who is in the wrong?

The way I see it, Trump's people were the ones who remained loyal to him and his Big Lie over the country. Guliani, Eastman, Flynn, Powell, Clark, etc. Everyone else covered for him as best they could, because they weren't out to get him. Nobody from Trump's circle revealed to the public any of the especially damning things coming out of these hearings. They kept silent for him (not themselves because most were never under suspicion of wrongdoing) until they were subpoena'd to testify and incurred personal legal risk for not coming in and telling the truth. Only then did this stuff start coming out. That's not the behavior one would expect from an infestation of untrustworthy anti-Trump goons.

He wasn't done wrong by his own people, he was done wrong by himself and the truth.

 

[Conservative]

The attempted coup involved fraudulent documents in addition to a violent mob. And 2000 people was plenty enough to reach the final barrier between them and members of Congress where Babbit got shot. At one point the crowd was only 40 feet from Mike Pence. That's documented evidence.

Yep, keep trying to have this issue remain on the front page as if it concerns the American people as much as you

13 million watched yesterday's hearing live. In the middle of the day. Add to that the number who watched later in the evening. Plenty of people care, and it would seem you do as well since you're in here posting about it.

Wow, 13 million out of 160 million voters, what percentage is that? Only Trump haters are in that group as there is no reason for this hatred, rhetoric, and personality should never trump policies and results. WE live in a dangerous world and I prefer a Trump to anything the left has to offer. Also there is nothing that Trump did that hurt me or my family, how about you? Waiting for that list

You assume a lot. The Democrats are not my party. Under my avatar you can see that I'm Libertarian. I voted for Trump in 2016.

People hate Trump because, regardless of his policies, he acted like a complete belligerent ass for four years before finally trying to steal the election via lies, fraud, and violence. He's a man of very poor character and he abused our trust.

Don't really give a damn about how he acted, why do you? Maybe that comes from my 35 years in the private sector realizing that actions aren't the issue, results are and if those results were damaging then I would have voted for someone else. AS it is I got exactly what I voted for in 2016, incredible results.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Is there no scenario where Trump could possibly be the one who is in the wrong?

The way I see it, Trump's people were the ones who remained loyal to him and his Big Lie over the country. Guliani, Eastman, Flynn, Powell, Clark, etc. Everyone else covered for him as best they could, because they weren't out to get him. Nobody from Trump's circle revealed to the public any of the especially damning things coming out of these hearings. They kept silent for him (not themselves because most were never under suspicion of wrongdoing) until they were subpoena'd to testify and incurred personal legal risk for not coming in and telling the truth. Only then did this stuff start coming out. That's not the behavior one would expect from an infestation of untrustworthy anti-Trump goons.

He wasn't done wrong by his own people, he was done wrong by himself and the truth.

What I can't help but wonder is what some of these folks were thinking in terms of this going all sorts of sideways which was almost guaranteed to happen. Giuliani, Eastman, Powell, Clark, etc. were Crazy Train enablers, but I'm talking about some of the others who surely must have had their misgivings but proceeded anyway. The fact some asked for pardons makes it pretty clear they had a sense the ship was going to sink.

 

[JasperL]

Within literal minutes of her testimony, both agents involved denied that Trump ever lunged at them or tried to grab the wheel. Ornato also denied her version of what she was told by him.

If you want to quote any of them, the floor is yours..... You can read, you know what I asked you to produce, and you've failed like every other MAGA on DP the last few days.

All the stories I've seen say something like, "a close source to Ornato familiar with the matter says........" So Ornato is too big a coward to say something in his own name, and he chose a spokesperson who also is too big a coward to use their name. Hutchinson testified in her name under oath on TV. You tell me which person deserves the benefit of the doubt to this point... It ain't the cowards hiding behind anonymous sources IMO.

If you want to pretend that her story was legit, go right ahead. I won't try to stop you.

You have no evidence at all her 'story' as told is not legit. All you have is a Trump ass-kissing lackey (Ornato) issuing denials through (we think he authorized the leak) people with no names attached.

 

[Binary_Digit]

Yep, keep trying to have this issue remain on the front page as if it concerns the American people as much as you

Wow, 13 million out of 160 million voters, what percentage is that? Only Trump haters are in that group

We have our reasons.

as there is no reason for this hatred, rhetoric, and personality should never trump policies and results. WE live in a dangerous world and I prefer a Trump to anything the left has to offer.

Also there is nothing that Trump did that hurt me or my family, how about you? Waiting for that list

Don't really give a damn about how he acted, why do you? Maybe that comes from my 35 years in the private sector realizing that actions aren't the issue, results are and if those results were damaging then I would have voted for someone else. AS it is I got exactly what I voted for in 2016, incredible results.

I served 5 years in the Navy and I sing the National Anthem in the shower almost every day. Even if he cured cancer, he still attacked and tried to steal my country and I just have no forgiveness for that.

 

[Binary_Digit]

What I can't help but wonder is what some of these folks were thinking in terms of this going all sorts of sideways which was almost guaranteed to happen. Giuliani, Eastman, Powell, Clark, etc. were Crazy Train enablers, but I'm talking about some of the others who surely must have had their misgivings but proceeded anyway. The fact some asked for pardons makes it pretty clear they had a sense the ship was going to sink.

I can recall one example: "Please make sure we don't go up to the Capitol, Cassidy. Keep in touch with me. We're going to get charged with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen." - Paul Cipollone

 

[Mika-El]

I never said Trump was a conservative. Trump, even if by accident, advanced the cause of conservatism in the United States.



Called it.



When did we start talking about Canadian and UK politics?

Also, if you are a progressive conservative you should be honest about it and not pretend to be an really conservative. Progressive Conservatism would be better represented in American Politics as Neo-Conservatism which hasn't proven capable of conserving anything.

Again your first sentence simply reflects your partisan cult worship of Trump and you called nothing.

WE started talking about Canadian and UK politics when you presumed to test me on my "conservative" beliefs. Zip over your head but conservatism did not start in the US nor is it the only place it exists and if you want to give me a test Professor then understand where I live and it is not in your bubble.

Next do not tell me progressives can not be conservatives. That simply reflects your Trump partisan belief in what conservatism is. You have no idea what Progressive Conservatism is or what Neo Conservatism is and throw the words out feigning you know what they both mean.

Next your most brilliant statement yet is your last words trying to suggest conservatism is about conserving things. If it was explain why your Trump cult denies greenhouse warming, climate change, and is opposed to conserving the world's resources, atmosphere and fragile ecosphere. Are you capable of conserving anything? How much plastic do you throw out in a day?

Move on. Use your labels and simplistic concepts with someone else.

 

[Mika-El]

He didn't uncover anything that hadn't been outed by various news articles years before his findings. All he did was charge the groups that others had already exposed. The Russian "interference" wasn't really targeting the election, it was specifically meant to divide the country. The most common ads placed and promoted by that group were promoting BLM and Back the Blue. The most popular BLM Groups on Twitter was one of theirs.

But this kind of propaganda that pits boths sides against one another has always been there, especially since the start of the social media craze, but we now have a President calling the Supreme Court disgraceful both here and abroad, which goes much farther towards dividing the country than a Facebook ad of Hillary fighting Jesus.

The greatest success in the Russian campaign to divide America was the Steele Dossier.

Excuse me where were you when Trump insulted and berated the US Supreme Court on Jan. 6? Your selective outrage is a friggin joke.

 

[Mika-El]

If congress subponeas individuals and has them tesify under oath, it's a court, even if not a trial. And all involved in the 1/6 riot have been arrested and many of them are still in jail.

No its not a court and the fact you call it a court will not make it one. A supeona is not an exclusive tool of a court and never was. The fact your simplistic and rigid black and white cognitive processing can't assimilate that does not make committees courts. Another scholar from Trump University.

 

[Mika-El]

This is a Congressional investigative committee with subpoena power, not a court. SCOTUS has confirmed that Congress has the power to issue subpoenas, and Title 18 makes it a crime to commit perjury under oath in all federal official proceedings, not just in court.

A court has a judge, jury, prosecution and defense counsel, cross examination, and the power to convict and sentence for crimes. This committee has no such power.

See the following for proof and details:

How do congressional subpoenas work?

How will they work in the Trump era? Experts aren’t sure what lies ahead.

www.pbs.org

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/RL/98-808

You are asking a lot. It might require he read.

 

[Mika-El]

Using that logic, most on the committee had conflicts of interest and nearly all should have been rejected.

Such as? So far it's nothing more then: "Trump does not believe the results of the election were valid." That's what the democrats are enraged about, however it's not a crime.

Again you need to go find out what conflict of interest means because clearly you do not understand it

Next for you to deny what Trump did and try reduce it to him simply stating he did not believe the vote was valid is pathetic.

You are a cultist. You come on this board to defend Trump and deny what he did. Period.

 

[Mika-El]

Is rigging an election a crime?

You have to ask this? The fact you do says it all.

 

[Mika-El]

Yes, we know, these links are peppered throughout all 80 pages of this thread.

There are no links. The supposed "sources" that say agents will testify Trump did not lunge at any driver have never been verified or outed. In short if they existed they would have said something by now. They do not exist. The ridiculous thing about it is, eventually people will be questioned with first hand knowledge of what Trump did in the car and you can be sure no agent will be defending Trump. The denial as to Trump's behaviour will continue with his cultists until he dies and they die. Cultists can not and will not believe their leader could do anything wrong.

You have no shortage of Trumpets who would drink koolaid for Trump until they themselves face jail time, then things change and they flip to cover their own asses.

 

[D_NATURED]

You mean Pelosi, Schumer? How about Biden, Warren, Harris, Sanders? Paid any attention to what they are doing to the country?

Whatabout much? Weak, very weak.

Two innocent Americans one woman unarmed shot is called a traitor? You seem to have a very selective definition of traitor.

No, it's broad enough to include Trump, and many others too. It doesn't matter, though, if a traitor is armed or not, if they are participating in a coup and get themselves killed, I say **** 'em. They were too dumb to comprehend their own personal risk at trying to overthrow their country.

You want to explain to us how someone who got 81 million votes, the most ever for a President in History has now a 38% job approval rating?

Sure, the way he gets that many votes and then gets a 38% approval rating is that sixty two percent of Americans have their heads up their asses. They're capricious children who only want things and can't mentally assemble the chain of events that got us here to this point. They voted for Joe because Donny-boy was transparently criminal but they're equally dissatisfied that Joe can't manifest utopia out of forty years of reaganomics and fascist graft. Nobody can.

Old Joe can't control oil prices or stop worldwide inflation or anything. All he can do is be the scapegoat for all the oblivious bumpkins in America who like cheap gas but hate reporters being diced up and planes flying into buildings and can't fathom the connection. So be it. I give up and if Joe is smart, he will too. This country is too ignorant and contentious to survive.

 

[WIGDViking]

It’s not almomost he spent millions of dollars on ads to get people there,then riled up the croud to attack the capital, this was his plan alll along….

Nobody forced Trump to send a crowd to the Capitol. It was his idea and he did that all on his own. He knew that the crowd was armed & dangerous. It's almost like he wanted the Capitol to be invade

 

[mike2810]

Believing is not a crime. No thought police allowed.

sigh.
You agreed that "rigging an election a crime"
Trump "believes" the election was rigged against him.

According to you then, no one committed a crime because Trump was just "believing".

 

[mike2810]

You have to ask this? The fact you do says it all.

Yes, by having to ask LetsGoBrandon says it all.

Of course,rigging an election is a crime.
Trump, et.al. have yet to provide any evidence.
Evidence provided by others indicates Trump's "belief" of a rigged election is not true.

 

[soap box]

The timeline of events is incredibly damning evidence for Donald Trump if anybody actually takes the time to read it but luckily they have a 100 page report from The hearing that you really really really want to see and are having a difficult time wading through. It appears that Trump repeatedly lied to the CIA as well as the FBI and the DC police and Congress from the time of the election and well before all the way up to the attempted insurrection. Pelosi specifically requested a thorough review of any attempts to overturn the certification process and despite repeated briefings with Trump, he withheld all of his plans with Eastman as well as what we now know to be - sadly - domestic terrorists. Specifically the group brought together by Stewart Rhodes. At best the link was second hand via Bannon and stone (convicted felons pardoned by Trump) if not directly. In totality, anyone with a shred of dignity would want a thorough investigation and I can’t imagine what kind of reckless spite and tribalism would be required to be unable to bring yourself to admit our former president was clearly guilty of the most serious crime imaginable. He knew about people planting pipe bombs in assassination attempts. people here will not allow themselves to view the evidence because they are so afraid that they will learn minute details pointing them away from their blessed party. You are obviously among the group that will not look at the evidence as you just posted something that is incredibly damning for Trump but I suppose you cannot be bothered to read something longer than a tweet or a blurb

The Capitol Riot: A Chronology | National Security Archive

Washington, D.C., January 6, 2022 - The National Security Archive marks the one-year anniversary of the assault on the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021, with a meticulously researched timeline of the day's events. The chronology, which will serve as an important tool for investigators...

nsarchive.gwu.edu

The timeline of events is incredibly damning evidence for Donald Trump if anybody actually takes the time to read it but luckily they have a 100 page report from The hearing that you really really really want to see and are having a difficult time wading through. It appears that Trump repeatedly lied to the CIA as well as the FBI and the DC police and Congress from the time of the election and well before all the way up to the attempted insurrection. Pelosi specifically requested a thorough review of any attempts to overturn the certification process and despite repeated briefings with Trump, he withheld all of his plans with Eastman as well as what we now know to be - sadly - domestic terrorists. Specifically the group brought together by Stewart Rhodes. At best the link was second hand via Bannon and stone (convicted felons pardoned by Trump) if not directly. In totality, anyone with a shred of dignity would want a thorough investigation and I can’t imagine what kind of reckless spite and tribalism would be required to be unable to bring yourself to admit our former president was clearly guilty of the most serious crime imaginable. He knew about people planting pipe bombs in assassination attempts. people here will not allow themselves to view the evidence because they are so afraid that they will learn minute details pointing them away from their blessed party. You are obviously among the group that will not look at the evidence as you just posted something that is incredibly damning for Trump but I suppose you cannot be bothered to read something longer than a tweet or a blurb

The Capitol Riot: A Chronology | National Security Archive

Washington, D.C., January 6, 2022 - The National Security Archive marks the one-year anniversary of the assault on the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021, with a meticulously researched timeline of the day's events. The chronology, which will serve as an important tool for investigators...

nsarchive.gwu.edu

That timeline is great, J6 is a complicated combination of people, events, places, times.

 

[cpwill]

Why is she testifying about things she wasn't there for?

Her testimony was about what she witnessed during that day and the lead up to it and since it - this includes things she was told, to which she is an indirect source, as well as things she observed, to which she is a direct source.

 

[cpwill]

Come on cpwill, you are grasping.

I wish I was.

Trump draft executive order would have authorized National Guard to seize voting machines

That was the mindset, at the time, apparently.

 

[cpwill]

It is in fact accurate.

It is not.

1. No Secret Service agent had stated up to that point that her testimony - that she heard this story on that day - was false. Links to articles with unnamed sources with unvalidated access saying that secret service agents saying that she was correct that Trump wanted to lead the attack on the Capital himself, but that he didn't try to grab the wheel are not statements by secret service agents that her testimony that she heard this story on that day is untruthful.

2. The Secret Service itself had released a statement only that its agents were - contrary to your claims that they couldn't testify - fully cooperating and available to testify. The Secret Service as an organization also did not say that her testimony - that she herd this story on that day - was false.

She was not with Trump during the supposed altercation.

And she has not claimed to be, mentioning only - in the middle of quite a lot of other testimony - that she heard this particular story of this particular anecdote, in the context of Trump wanting to lead the attack by people whom he knew to be armed on the Capital. The man was trying to stop the peaceful transfer of power and overturn our representative system of government - whether or not in the course of that he attempted to grab a wheel is perhaps a colorful, but, ultimately, not incredibly relevant detail.

That is why she is telling the story third had (she is testifying to what she says one agent told was told to them by an agent on the scene),

Engels was - according to the sworn testimony, which is the evidence that we have at the moment - standing next to Ornato when he told this story, and said nothing to contradict it. Do you have something saying that Ornato was not in the vehicle, and would have gotten this story from Engels?

I'll ask you this: If any of the agents actually testified to the occurrence, why would the committee rely on third hand testimony?

Because the molehill that is being focused on is not the mountain. The story here isn't "OMG TRUMP TRIED TO GRAB A WHEEL", it's "Holy Shit, He Legitimately Wanted What Almost Happened To Happen, Because He Thought He Could Keep A Hold Of Power"


I'll ask you this: The Committee has the sworn testimony of the agents. If they knew that her story was crap, why would they put her up there and have her tell it?

Also, why is every quote by this "witness" prefaced by statements like "he said something like"?

Well, when all you read is her accounts of conversations that she had, you are going to get a lot of that.

Read: ENTIRELY partisan

Mostly Partisan. There are Republicans there, but, chosen more to give the appearance than the substance.

Who is there to cross examine these "witnesses" on behalf of the Trump administration?

Well, Republicans could have chosen to participate and do so, but, decided not to, because Pelosi wouldn't let them put Jim Jordan on the committee to spend all day trying to sink it. So, they had the option - just not with the lead guy they wanted - and chose not to take it.

The investigation would be made a lot stronger if they did have that - it's not a fatal flaw, but it is a major one.

The evidence that they did not is the simple fact that the committee had to rely on third hand hearsay rather than callup an actual witness.

If anything - while not being evidence - that is suggestive that they knew that the agents testimony largely at least lined up with hers. According to the same unnamed sources with unvalidated access that you are claiming as evidence against he wheel driving anecdote, that is, in fact, what happened - and the agents confirmed that Trump wanted to lead an armed mob in an assault on the capital.

 

[Atomic Kid]

The video discusses, for instance, emails between people not connected to Trump discussing occupying the Capitol, and stating that those emails were made available to Trump by national security advisers.

The assertion being that his lack of action is evidence that he was part of the plot with Jim Bob and Bill Joe from Nebraska.

The problem with this line of reason is that it is on record that President Trump requested national guard be called up for security at the January 6th protest... why would he do that if his intention was to storm the capitol?

Also, if you want to better understand how January 6th happened, wouldn't the January 6th Committee call in officials who denied Trump's request for national guard?

That is totally false. Trump made no such request. Trump informally mentioned a need for 10,000 National Guardsmen in a chat with his acting def sec, ostensibly to protect Trump protesters, not the Capitol itself, according to Meadows. Trump never issued any actual order or request for National Guard troops.

GOP Slapped Down Again For Jan. 6 National Guard Lie

The old lie resurfaced: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi did not in fact reject the Guard to protect the Capitol during the insurrection.

news.yahoo.com

 

[cpwill]

??? Ms. Hutchinson's tale to which you give credibility is triple hearsay. She wasn't in the limo. She said agent Ornato told her this tale. He wasn't in the limo. Some unnamed third party evidently told Ornato. Triple hearsay. Yet you give it credibility. Why?

They weren't in the limo, so, yeah, Ornato wasn't in the non-present vehicle. Engels was standing next to him when he told the story to Hutchinson, and didn't contradict it.

We need to get them both under oath, in public this time, and also run it against available CCTV and cell phone footage, if any.