AIDE DETAILS TRUMP’S RAGE ON JAN. 6He Knew Crowd Was Armed, but Tried to Loosen Security, Testimony Recounts

[Anthony60]

He has said NOTHING. I'd ask you to quote him but the best you can do is a person named ????? saying what Ornato allegedly will deny.
I do not have to believe a single word about that incident and nothing changes.
Again, this is what we know.

...followed by leftist lies and assumption, just because...

Trump pushed an illegal scheme to steal an election

Nope...

all the way through January 6th. He encouraged the mob,

Never did. "Go peacefully" must be some code.

did nothing as the MAGA thugs attacked the U.S. Capitol, except as the attack was happening, painted a bullseye on the back of...

LOL! Damn, maybe they should have had the National Guard there, don't you think?

 

[Logician Man]

Sure, if you want. I saw that and figured that would be your way out, and it was.

My way "out" of what?

 

[j brown's body]

...followed by leftist lies and assumption, just because...

Nope...

Never did. "Go peacefully" must be some code.

LOL! Damn, maybe they should have had the National Guard there, don't you think?

Telling insurrectionists that he knew were armed to march peacefully to the Capitol, where they had no permit to demonstrate and an insurrection was already happening, and then tweeting to them that Pence had betrayed them during the insurrection, lets him off the hook.

Eventually Pence had to call out the Guard because Trump refused to.

 

[j brown's body]

It's already been explained to you, clearly don't get it.

What's been "explained?"

 

[JasperL]

...followed by leftist lies and assumption, just because...

Yes, they're "lies" because you don't want to believe them. You can't demonstrate any lie, and we don't have to assume.

Nope...

OK, what's the legal authority for Pence to pick and choose which states to count and which to reject? The Eastman memo says doing so is illegal. Eastman wanted a pardon for his efforts. Meadows asked for a pardon for his. Weird if what they were doing was legal. Here's Trump telling us the plan in his own words, by Tweet of course.

January 6, 2021 13:17:22

States want to correct their votes, which they now know were based on irregularities and fraud, plus corrupt process never received legislative approval. All Mike Pence has to do is send them back to the States, AND WE WIN. Do it Mike, this is a time for extreme courage!

How does Trump 'legally' win the election when the EC count gives that victory to Biden? What legal mechanism gets to that result? Can you explain it?

Never did. "Go peacefully" must be some code.

Yeah, and as the attack was ongoing, 2:24 EST, here's how Trump responded:

January 6, 2021 19:24:22

Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!

That's a nice thing to do - put a bullseye on the back of your VP as he's literally in that moment fleeing the mob. If nothing else, this Tweet tells you all you need to know about Trump and who he supported that day. He doesn't condemn the violence, but he does condemn Pence, for following the law and doing his duty, and he does that while the Capitol is being overrun by the MAGA mob. What else do we need to know about Trump and who he supported that day?

LOL! Damn, maybe they should have had the National Guard there, don't you think?

What I know is the President of the United States can do more as a mob is attacking the Capitol than tweeting about how Pence failed him, and sitting on his fat ****ing ass.

 

[Mika-El]

Rule 803 does not apply in Congressional hearings. Period. Consider your talking point refuted.

No.


"In a congressional setting, the House impeachment proceedings function much like a preliminary hearing. Ultimately, the House will decide whether to vote on articles of impeachment, the functional equivalent of a grand jury indictment. Those articles of impeachment would then go forward to the Senate for trial.

Another major exception to the ban on hearsay applies to conspiracies: a co-conspirator can offer hearsay testimony about statements made by other conspirators in furtherance of the conspiracy.

Binnall, though, noted that the two major pieces of hearsay that have Republicans agitated — the initial whistleblower report and the testimony of Taylor that his staffers overheard a conversation involving Trump — come from non-conspirators, so those statements would still be banned under a hearsay rule.

As a practical matter, though, Taylor’s hearsay testimony about the conversation between Sondland and Trump gives investigators the opportunity to home in on the participants in the conversation who can testify directly about what was said. Then the question becomes whether those involved in the conversation will actually be willing to testify. Sondland has testified to lawmakers behind closed doors and is scheduled to appear at Wednesday’s hearing."

source for abive:

AP Explains: What’s wrong with hearsay evidence in Congress?

FALLS CHURCH, Va. — A leading Republican critique of the House impeachment inquiry is that Democrats are relying on “hearsay” evidence. The word ‘hearsay’ is bandied about in legal circles all the time, and in its simplest form refers to testimony that quotes what another person said. Hearsay is...

calgary.citynews.ca

Read Rule 807. You seem to have ignored it.

There is no rule that committees must ignore heresay evidence and that is because they act as fact finders deciding if there is sufficient evidence to supeona other witnesses to get more direct or other information and/or make references to a court.

You making an arbitrary statement does not establish your position.

 

[Parrish]

Perhaps Pence's refusal to leave the Capitol because he didn't trust the Secret Service driver should be investigated?

 

[Rawley]

When? Link, @Rawley .

months ago

The January 6 Committee Should Release the Engel and Ornato Depositions | National Review

If the committee is honestly trying to get to the bottom of what happened in the presidential SUV, this and other steps would be in its interest.

www.nationalreview.com

 

[Rawley]

Ontaro can refute Hutchinson any time he wants. He hasn't.

Secret Service Agents don't give interviews or Tweet, for obvious reasons.

 

[j brown's body]

Secret Service Agents don't give interviews or Tweet, for obvious reasons.

Because they can have nameless sources do it for them?

 

[Athanasius68]

OK, what's the legal authority for Pence to pick and choose which states to count and which to reject? The Eastman memo says doing so is illegal. Eastman wanted a pardon for his efforts. Meadows asked for a pardon for his. Weird if what they were doing was legal. Here's Trump telling us the plan in his own words, by Tweet of course.

The VP doesn't doesn't have that authority.

Which is why all the pearl clutching about how 'democracy almost died' is nonsense.

Biden was the president elect when the electors voted for him in December. Nothing that could have happened on 1/6 would have changed this fact,

What I know is the President of the United States can do more as a mob is attacking the Capitol than tweeting about how Pence failed him, and sitting on his fat ****ing ass.

Its a shame then that the Democrats didn't impeach him over this-- failing his oath of office to "take care" that the laws are enforced-- back in January 2021.
Instead, they went on an irrelevant campaign and continue to do so.

 

[Rawley]

Because they can have nameless sources do it for them?

They have already testified under oath to the incident. For the 1,000th time, aren't you even a little bit curious why Nancy's sham committee refuses to release their testimony?

 

[j brown's body]

Mark Meadows has certainly disappeared into the ether.

 

[j brown's body]

They have already testified under oath to the incident. For the 1,000th time, aren't you even a little bit curious why Nancy's sham committee refuses to release their testimony?

They can't say anything publicly but their nameless sources can.

 

[JasperL]

The VP doesn't doesn't have that authority.

The person I responded to said this plan was NOT illegal. Did you miss that part? It's part of the problem - the MAGA contingent still believe Pence did have the authority. Trump believed it. His advisors believed it.

Which is why all the pearl clutching about how 'democracy almost died' is nonsense.

The pearl clutching is over the President of the United States and his closest advisors pushing that illegal plan all the way through the vote count. If the President of the United States succeeded in his plan, a functioning democracy does die. That's the problem, that's the issue.

What happens if/when Pence just rejects the states he was told to reject? What I've said is at the least we have a constitutional crisis. The EC vote is at least delayed. Presumably there's an immediate appeal to SCOTUS to resolve this issue. How long does this take? A week? Longer to hold hearings, make a decision, issue an opinion? Who knows. In the meantime, do the states vote to certify the electors for Biden, or for Trump. Who knows what they do. Inauguration is in two weeks from January 6th. And in the meantime, the orderly transition of power is trashed. No one can know who will be President after January 20th until SCOTUS tells us. Etc.

Biden was the president elect when the electors voted for him in December. Nothing that could have happened on 1/6 would have changed this fact,

But that's NOT what the then President of the United States and his closest advisors believed. What part of this don't you get? Trump told the world several times ON January 6th that you are wrong. The MAGA mob believed him. And that guy if he runs will likely be nominated. He's still the head of the GOP.

Its a shame then that the Democrats didn't impeach him over this-- failing his oath of office to "take care" that the laws are enforced-- back in January 2021.
Instead, they went on an irrelevant campaign and continue to do so.

The Democrats did impeach him. Twice. It was in the news. Those in the GOP who voted for impeachment over January 6th are now outcasts, and their careers in the GOP ended. So of course you blame......Democrats....

 

[TomFitz]

Jeez, talk about deflecting... You are concerned about the thread topic? LOL! One of the best defections ever. Where was he supposedly in a rage about going to? LOL!

It's just so funny when libs have no answer, but feel they MUST answer with something.

Calling referrring to the title of the thread as a distraction pretty much sums up how little the fast dwindling number of trump supporters have to respond with when confronted with evidence of their fuhrer’s guilt.

 

[TomFitz]

Another reply of zero substance, which highlights your lack of ability to counter.

You don’t have an argument to counter.

All you’re doing is the fading trump supporter see no evil act. Nothing you have said in this thread is true or valid in any way,

You’re just trolling.

Your fuhrer is the reckless, infantile moron we told you he was.

And yes, he did try and take over the government.

Your posts (and those of the rest of the trump crowd) make it clear that you would have cheered for the end of democracy.

Do you honestly think your fuhrer would have ever left office alive had he succeeded in bullying congress into letting him rule by decree??????

 

[Anthony60]

My way "out" of what?

You love to focus on something other than replying to the post.

 

[Anthony60]

You don’t have an argument to counter.

You post is a leftist talking point machine. Here's a summary...

Trolling, the fuhrer, the fuhrer, the fuhrer, moron, cheered for the end of democracy (BTW, it's a Republic), bullying congress, rule by decree...

Just a babbling of leftist talking points. What a joke!

 

[JasperL]

You post is a leftist talking point machine. Here's a summary...

Trolling, the fuhrer, the fuhrer, the fuhrer, moron, cheered for the end of democracy (BTW, it's a Republic), bullying congress, rule by decree...

Just a babbling of leftist talking points. What a joke!

It's a democratic republic. And we all know how our government functions, which is a representative government, or a "republic." The term "democracy" simply refers to how we select those representatives, by a vote of the people. Some reading for you....

Stop Saying "We're a Republic, Not a Democracy" | Mises Institute

Madison's ideas of "democracy" and "mob rule" apply to no regime today, and no modern self-styled "democracy" fits Madison's definition.

mises.org

Tell us some more about the SQUIRREL!!! SHE CALLED THE CAR THE BEAST!!! SO ALL LIES!!!

And in the meantime, what about that supposedly legal plan to steal an election, overturn the results. No comment on that? How about Trump putting a bullseye on Pence, as the attack on the Capitol was in full swing, and Pence was fleeing the mob? Nothing? OK, how about Trump sitting on his fat ass and doing nothing for hours as his mob attacks the Capitol? Still nothing?

Should we talk about squirrels some more? Seems safer ground for you.

 

[TomFitz]

I'll take the first hand knowledge of Kash Patel over the God only knows where, info from the Trump hating WaPo.

You’re probably the only person on the planet who would take the word of Kash Patel. He was a dirty tricks guy for Devin Nunes before he graduated to the same role for trump.

He was one of the flunkies that trump planted in senior Defense department positions (no experience necessary, typical of trump world) in order to be sure the works were gummed up on Jan 6.

 

[Logician Man]

You love to focus on something other than replying to the post.

Please get back with us when you post something that addresses the 'actual' thread topic --- not Trump's temper tantrum in the vehicle. Fair enough? You do believe in addressing the thread topic when engaging in 'good faith debating? Yes, @Anthony60?

 

[TomFitz]

The VP doesn't doesn't have that authority.

Which is why all the pearl clutching about how 'democracy almost died' is nonsense.

Biden was the president elect when the electors voted for him in December. Nothing that could have happened on 1/6 would have changed this fact,


Its a shame then that the Democrats didn't impeach him over this-- failing his oath of office to "take care" that the laws are enforced-- back in January 2021.
Instead, they went on an irrelevant campaign and continue to do so.

Really?

You do realize that the core of the Eastman memo, and the Green Bay Sweep were based on the assertion that the Vice President DOES have that power??????

Or do you have any idea at all what you’re talking about?????

 

[Atomic Kid]

Sorry, that's classified. Well, it's not, but I'd have to go check, and it doesn't matter anyway, they still don't ever call it the Beast.

No it's not. The Secret Service codename is "stagecoach". The Cadillac Presidential limo had been universally known by the nickname "The Beast" since it entered service in 2009. Probably due to it's enormous size ,weight and array of defensive and security features. It is among the most daunting vehicles in all the world. Essentially it is an 18 foot long luxuriously appointed tank weighing between 8 to 10 tons. Other nicknames for the vehicle are "Cadillac One" and "First Car". But "the beast" is by far the most well known nickname.

 

[The Work Outing]

Hearsay.

Interesting.
May even be true.

But, legally, doesn't mean a whole lot.