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Agents on these boards

Are they a danger? It seems their influence would be a wash, as for every person whose thinking they sway, there would be another who would be persuaded oppositely.

That depends on what these people (or bots even, since the technology is possible that you could have conversations with a bot) are doing with the information collected.

I'm not terribly concerned, at most I'd be frustrated knowin I was arguing with a computer program.
 
Here's the deal:

1. People actually have opinions that are different from yours, simply because they believe in them. Shocking, I know, but get used to it.

2. No "agent" would waste their time on a board like this. Don't have such a high opinion of your importance.

I didn't think this was about me? I was just posing a question for discussion.

Whatever you're projecting unto me, is coming from you. Maybe you should keep your arrogance in check.

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If I suggest a little something to help with all the obvious paranoia, does that mean I am an agent for a pharmaceutical company?

No I don't think so... you're not one of the people I had in mind when I made the topic. It's just that the behavior of some people makes me raise an eyebrow sometimes.
 
Are they a danger? It seems their influence would be a wash, as for every person whose thinking they sway, there would be another who would be persuaded oppositely.

Our country is very divided and this practise reinforces this divide in the name of partisan and special interest politics.

If the American people come together, both "sides" lose and we win.

The left and right are actually starting to hate each other. Id say thats dangerous.
 
I think such posters would more likely work as paid protesters and professional rabble rousers than corporate shills.

Think of the OccuPods and their use of social media.

I wonder. Do they get bonus pay for likes? Do they get fired for being banned? That would be an interesting performance appraisal to write.

"LuckyDan has shown great enthusiasm for his work as forum poster. He excels in alienating opposition and demeaning the opposing viewpoint. However, he should spend more time cultivating positive personal reaction through non project related posting. His LTP (like-to-post ratio) is weak compared to his peers, and his FOW (frequency of warning) is running perilously high through Q3."
 
I think such posters would more likely work as paid protesters and professional rabble rousers than corporate shills.

Think of the OccuPods and their use of social media.

I wonder. Do they get bonus pay for likes? Do they get fired for being banned? That would be an interesting performance appraisal to write.

"LuckyDan has shown great enthusiasm for his work as forum poster. He excels in alienating opposition and demeaning the opposing viewpoint. However, he should spend more time cultivating positive personal reaction through non project related posting. His LTP (like-to-post ratio) is weak compared to his peers, and his FOW (frequency of warning) is running perilously high through Q3."

Ok, now that just creeped me out!

I tried to find a name for those who indulge in this practise but couldn't find one.

So I made one up.

Memeherder
 
Ok, now that just creeped me out!

I tried to find a name for those who indulge in this practise but couldn't find one.

So I made one up.

Memeherder

Good!

And university communications departments can offer courses in Meme Management.
 
Is it conceivable that there are agents - of other government or corporations - that are constantly lurking on these very forums in order to post propaganda? There are some users here who seem to always go against posts or media content that supports the rights of people, and will support content that is basically pro-corporate or highly loyalist, no matter what. They unfailingly show up like clockwork every time and they are propagandist in nature.

I know, for example, that the pharmaceutical industry has people scouring the net who insert doubt about any kind of medicine that could harm their profits.

Obviously anything available online that can be commented on falls under the public domain and free speech, so I'm not saying anything should be done about this. I'm just asking the question because it has crossed my mind on here before.

I think that there is a very good chance that you will find the information this link to be of great interest and use to you.
 
I think that there is a very good chance that you will find the information this link to be of great interest and use to you.

Come now.

Marketing and public relations are the same thing, basically.

One sells soap.

One sells perceptions.

Marketers do this stuff all the time. Go to any "work from home" site and you'll find a grip of ads.

If it works for marketers, it will work for public relations.

So it follows that they are doing it too.

Its a ten billion a year industry, not counting those in direct employ of companies and political groups.

Why WOULDN'T they take advantage of the internet in every way that could get folks to accept their "messages"?
 
Good!

And university communications departments can offer courses in Meme Management.

Betcha a dollar they already do.

They just call it "Message Management and the Internet", or something uncool like that!
 
No I don't think so... you're not one of the people I had in mind when I made the topic. It's just that the behavior of some people makes me raise an eyebrow sometimes.

You sure sussed me out. Yes, I am an Illuminati agent posing as a gardener.

Brilliant work, Temporal. Just brilliant.
 
Actually, while this is the first board I've seriously participated in, found by my wife to get me to stop chewing her ear off aboit politics, its my understanding that its pretty unique.

The left and the right actually talk here. MANY people who have been much more active than I on political boards comment on this simple difference. (Kudos to Vauge and the mod team!) According to them, most boards are "right" or "left" and shut down the "other" side almost completely.

Persuasion is a science of nudges and reinforcements, almost universally "leaving things out" of its manufactured narratives. If your target audience/demographic is actually talking to people outside yoir target group, you run the serious risk of having your "messaging" deconstructed, to the degree you could lose credibility permanently with them.

Even that recent advertisement letter from a lobbying firm to the banking industry alludes to an internet facet. And what it was proposing was the development of a "crisis management plan", something normally in the purview of public relations. The gathering of information to be used in the event Dem politicians should start to embrace the OWS movement.

PR is a ten billion dollar a year industry, outside those in the direct employ of business and politicians. All involved in creating and MAINTAINING the public images of politicians, businesses, and individuals. Why WOULDNT they have an internet presence? Especially considering how technologically easy it would be? And cheap too, considering it could be done mostly with interns in the field of Communications.

Add to this the mod references to "spam bots", and the civil nature of this board, and I can't believe this board attracts NO attention from the persuasion industry.

They have the means, motive, and opportunity.

Puh-leeze

You make a case citing statistics but don't seem to grasp the real-world.

There are dozens of boards like this one. For every slanted board, there are three that are pretty neutral--mods are not all that interested in reading every post hence they are neutral. I know, I have moderated several boards.

As for agents on these boards; the demographics here are not enough to move a needle one way or the other.
 
Puh-leeze

You make a case citing statistics but don't seem to grasp the real-world.

There are dozens of boards like this one. For every slanted board, there are three that are pretty neutral--mods are not all that interested in reading every post hence they are neutral. I know, I have moderated several boards.

As for agents on these boards; the demographics here are not enough to move a needle one way or the other.

Simply put, you don't understand the problem of "open" communication in this area.

When people discover they are being actively decieved, they react VERY negatively. That's why the first rule is never to tell a factual lie.

If you just let people talk, "messages" will be debunked, even past long established "framing".

People who participate on boards like this are fundamentally different from the population at large. Better educated, more informed, and most importantly, ENGAGED.

Piss off enough people with these traits and you have a real problem. Because they'll PROSELYTIZE. And then you have the potential for serious unraveling.

And you're still operating on the assumption it would be difficult or unreasonably expensive. And I don't believe that to be the case. Boardtracker with a few extra subroutines, and Communications interns. It would actually be GREAT work experience for a Communications or Poli Sci student. No joke.

Marketing does this all the time.

I'm sure Public Relations does too.

Is this board "rife" with "memeherders"? Certainly not.

But I'm sure we're not beneath their scrutiny.
 
Propaganda is the earliest form of influence for the masses of any given entity. Propaganda has evolved into many different forms to get the masses within any given entity to mold a mindset. The internet is the perfect place for many different entities to wage a propaganda battle...on many issues that create a perception(power) to the masses...

That being said it is very likely that many countries spread propaganda on the internet...especially through political forums...
 
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Propaganda is the earliest form of influence for the masses of any given entity. Propaganda has evolved into many different forms to get the masses within any given entity to mold a mindset. The internet is the perfect place for many different entities to wage a propaganda battle...on many issues that create a perception(power) to the masses...

That being said it is very likely that many countries spread propaganda on the internet...especially through political forums...

Propaganda, at one time, simply meant persuading on a mass level. The Nazis changed the term to mean "the big lie."

The internet, and the rise of social media in general, has made "propagating" much more difficult than it was in the days when old media was the only media.
 
Propaganda, at one time, simply meant persuading on a mass level. The Nazis changed the term to mean "the big lie."

The internet, and the rise of social media in general, has made "propagating" much more difficult than it was in the days when old media was the only media.

Not sure I understand how the internet would make propaganda more difficult?
 
Not sure I understand how the internet would make propaganda more difficult?

More voices. More viewpoints. No editors. No censors.

You know. How opinions are like . . . noses? Everybody has one?

As opposed to the old days of three networks, all taking their cues from one newspaper.
 
Look at my avatar and THEN ask yourself if I would ever do anything clandestine.
 
More voices. More viewpoints. No editors. No censors.

You know. How opinions are like . . . noses? Everybody has one?

As opposed to the old days of three networks, all taking their cues from one newspaper.

Sure that makes sense...on the flipside it creates a way to gender swaying rhetoric against certain topics and making certain topics taboo...
 
Sure that makes sense...on the flipside it creates a way to gender swaying rhetoric against certain topics and making certain topics taboo...

Which is the best definition of political correctness I have come across yet.

But I still maintain that social media is the enemy of propagandists. Opinion cannot be manipulated as easily today as it once was.
 
Which is the best definition of political correctness I have come across yet.

But I still maintain that social media is the enemy of propagandists. Opinion cannot be manipulated as easily today as it once was.

Yes you have a good point...but what stops a huge black budget from tending that?
 
Yes you have a good point...but what stops a huge black budget from tending that?

Are you suggesting that only the rich can utilize the net? It doesn't cost me any more to post here than it does George Soros.

Think of it. Who did the reporting from the streets when Iran was in chaos a few years back? Whose footage did you see when Qaddafi was taken and killed?
 
Are you suggesting that only the rich can utilize the net? It doesn't cost me any more to post here than it does George Soros.

Think of it. Who did the reporting from the streets when Iran was in chaos a few years back? Whose footage did you see when Qaddafi was taken and killed?

No...black budget is a term where a nation uses a lot of money secretly without its citizens knowledge on how it is being used...
 
No...black budget is a term where a nation uses a lot of money secretly without its citizens knowledge on how it is being used...

Oh. Well then that would account for the disproportionate support for BO I see here than I do IRL.
 
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