Admitting Your Own Hypocrisies - Or Conflicting Ideologies

[Dragonfly]

Would you care to admit your own personal hypocrisies?

Are you a christian that advocates SSM?

Are you pro-life as well as pro-death penalty?

Are you a republican that desires a full-on social health program like England or Canada has?

Do you own guns but desire harsher restrictions on gun owners?

Do you preach anti-smoking messages to your kids, and you smoke?

Are you a police officer that regularly breaks the law?

Do you rant and rave about abstinence from sex even though you were basically a "whore" once yourself?

Would you be interested in "outing" yourself here? Cleanse your soul?

Care to share? :mrgreen:

1. those were examples of possible things some people might want to admit to


:2wave::2razz:

To clarify - I'm not suggesting that any of you only limit yourselves to the "examples" I posted in the OP.

You're all free to admit to any and all potential hypocrisies you may have.


Not just the "examples" I listed. (Obviously can't cover every possible scenario)

:mrgreen:

insert banging head on wall icon here.....

 

[Sherman123]

Would you care to admit your own personal hypocrisies?

Are you a christian that advocates SSM?

Are you pro-life as well as pro-death penalty?

Are you a republican that desires a full-on social health program like England or Canada has?

Do you own guns but desire harsher restrictions on gun owners?

Do you preach anti-smoking messages to your kids, and you smoke?

Are you a police officer that regularly breaks the law?

Do you rant and rave about abstinence from sex even though you were basically a "whore" once yourself?

Would you be interested in "outing" yourself here? Cleanse your soul?

Care to share? :mrgreen:

I'm generally fairly conservative and tend to vote Republican (in the vein of a suburban Jewish boy from the north-east) but I strongly support federal funding for science and technology programs including NASA, NIH, DARPA and I'm cautiously receptive to the notion of incubating emerging technology companies with financing and grants as it often leads to much greater developments than that which would come about in a government lab (though I'm opposed to efforts to heavily subsidize the market price of a product).

It definitely conflicts with what are supposed to be my administrative or economic tendencies and I've but heads with people over it before, but I think it isn't too egregious a conflict. We've just become too absolutist in our thinking sometimes---at least on certain things.

 

[Knowledge=power]

Would you care to admit your own personal hypocrisies?

Are you a christian that advocates SSM?

Are you pro-life as well as pro-death penalty?

Are you a republican that desires a full-on social health program like England or Canada has?

Do you own guns but desire harsher restrictions on gun owners?

Do you preach anti-smoking messages to your kids, and you smoke?

Are you a police officer that regularly breaks the law?

Do you rant and rave about abstinence from sex even though you were basically a "whore" once yourself?

Would you be interested in "outing" yourself here? Cleanse your soul?

Care to share? :mrgreen:

I am what you would call 'liberal' in this country, I suppose (for lack of a better term).

I am pro-rights to the fullest - which includes all imaginable personal rights - the right to terminate your pregnancy, the right to marry anyone you want, etc. I like to help people and I think 'fairness' is paramount...

However, I do not particularly like government hand-outs and programs that support laziness. I guess my view on this could be hypocritical.

 

[rathi]

Failing to pigeonhole yourself into a narrow political label does not make you a hypocrite. Being lazy and simplistic in political thinking is a vice not a virtue.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

I want to live under a government organized according to my religious principles, but I resent the hell out of Christians who want the same thing.

I'm also a staunch right-winger who supports universal healthcare, pro-choice, and same sex marriage, but I don't consider these "hypocrisies".

 

[CLAX1911]

I am in a gay relationship, i was in a heterosexual relationship prior. I am generally conservative on social issues. I am however pro SSM. I will be a police officer in just over a month and I do speed everywhere. I pray there isn't a cop around.

I am deeply troubled by my indecisive nature on abortion and death penalty. I don't know how to feel about those.

I am a complete contradiction, but I love who i am.

 

[MoSurveyor]

Do you preach anti-smoking messages to your kids, and you smoke?

Yep! That's me! And my anti-smoking campaign worked very well. My daughter won't let anyone smoke in her house, not even me.


I also have a poor diet but we taught our daughter well. She seldom has candy in her house, even though she has three sons, she cooks a lot of good food (some pre-packaged but not common), and she only gained weight after her third son was born. She doesn't want to take drugs the rest of her life (or at least the next 20 years) to control the imbalance created by her multiple pregnancies and I can't blame her for that. She eats well and works out by bicycling with her husband and sons, so she's in good shape except for the extra weight.

 

[Dragonfly]

How many here order diet soda because they're trying to lose weight, yet also order dessert or supersize things, or eat fast food a lot.....or just drink more diet soda because it's diet?

 

[MoSurveyor]

How many here order diet soda because they're trying to lose weight, yet also order dessert or supersize things, or eat fast food a lot.....or just drink more diet soda because it's diet?

I don't do that but I used to get funny looks when I bought skim milk and a candy bar at QT. The thing is, I was raised on skim milk and prefer it to 2% or whole milk (except for cooking). I don't really care about the fat content beyond it's taste.

My wife is the same way about diet Coke. She likes the taste, go figure. Personally, I think all diet sodas are nasty except Fresca; the grapefruit flavor kills the nasty aftertaste of the fake sugar.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

Would you care to admit your own personal hypocrisies?

Are you a christian that advocates SSM?

Are you pro-life as well as pro-death penalty?

Are you a republican that desires a full-on social health program like England or Canada has?

Do you own guns but desire harsher restrictions on gun owners?

Do you preach anti-smoking messages to your kids, and you smoke?

Are you a police officer that regularly breaks the law?

Do you rant and rave about abstinence from sex even though you were basically a "whore" once yourself?

Would you be interested in "outing" yourself here? Cleanse your soul?

Care to share? :mrgreen:

`This is a fine example of a troll thread lol.

 

[Hard Truth]

As an environmentalist who believes we need to consume less and be more thoughtful about the consequences of our consumption, I should give up meat, buy more local, organic and sustainably grown food, and buy less stuff in general. As a human rights advocate I should buy less stuff from China.

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

Local yes, organic no. Organic food requires far more resources for the same amount of food as standard food sources.

 

[Captain Adverse]

Would you care to admit your own personal hypocrisies?

Are you a christian that advocates SSM?

Are you pro-life as well as pro-death penalty?

Are you a republican that desires a full-on social health program like England or Canada has?

Do you own guns but desire harsher restrictions on gun owners?

Do you preach anti-smoking messages to your kids, and you smoke?

Are you a police officer that regularly breaks the law?

Do you rant and rave about abstinence from sex even though you were basically a "whore" once yourself?

Would you be interested in "outing" yourself here? Cleanse your soul?

Care to share? :mrgreen:

Are you a christian that advocates SSM? Yes. (see RGacky3 Post #2 reply #1).
Are you pro-life as well as pro-death penalty? No. I am Pro-choice and Anti-death penalty.
Are you a republican that desires a full-on social health program like England or Canada has? No but Yes to healthcare. (I'm not Republican or Democrat)
Do you own guns but desire harsher restrictions on gun owners? No and No.
Do you preach anti-smoking messages to your kids, and you smoke? Yes and No.
Are you a police officer that regularly breaks the law? No and No.
Do you rant and rave about abstinence from sex even though you were basically a "whore" once yourself? No, altho I was a male ho. LOL
Would you be interested in "outing" yourself here? Cleanse your soul? "Outing myself?" I have nothing to "out" about.

 

[Empirica]

Thanks for understanding the "spirit" of the thread.

And yes - some of what you've posted I'd judge to be hypocritical.

Question - do you consider something like a socialized medical program to be "socialist", and therefore, if you were queen of the world, supporting such a thing would be a criminal offense?

I do understand the concern people feel for the unfortunate among us who might hit on hard times_

But to be quite honest I don't believe government safety nets are the answer, for several reasons_

(1)- These bureaucratic laden programs are ripe with waste, corruption and inefficiency_

(2)- Too often these programs are abused by the clients and their private sector providers_

(3)- Many people become totally dependent on these programs and simply give up on life_

(4)- And far too often this government dependence gets passed down for several generations_

(5)- But the biggest concern is, these socialist programs never stop growing and multiplying_

"Socialism is like a weed that will never remain confined to one small plot at the end of a row_

It forever seeks to grow and spread until it consumes the entire garden and destroys the crop"- Hogtrash~

Socialism leads to Communism leads to Totalitarianism, culminating in mass murder, suffering and oppression_

Churches and Private Charities are the best most efficient safety nets for people during difficult times_

Unfortunately, there will always be some who occasionally fall through the cracks, just as they do now in the world's biggest most agressive socialist economies_

But their suffering would pail in comparison to that of the loss of the American Dream which would come about should the United States become a Big Brother/Mega Government/Socialist Bureaucracy_
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So in answer to your question; yes, "Queen Empirica" would criminalize advocating socialist policies_

The crime would be prosecuted as a form of subversion and/or treason with serious consequences_

(uh-ohhh; this will not be received very well by the true utopian believers) :bolt

 

[Bonzai]

I do understand the concern people feel for the unfortunate among us who might hit on hard times_

But to be quite honest I don't believe government safety nets are the answer, for several reasons_

(1)- These bureaucratic laden programs are ripe with waste, corruption and inefficiency_

(2)- Too often these programs are abused by the clients and their private sector providers_

(3)- Many people become totally dependent on these programs and simply give up on life_

(4)- And far too often this government dependence gets passed down for several generations_

(5)- But the biggest concern is, these socialist programs never stop growing and multiplying_

"Socialism is like a weed that will never remain confined to one small plot at the end of a row_

It forever seeks to grow and spread until it consumes the entire garden and destroys the crop"- Hogtrash~

Socialism leads to Communism leads to Totalitarianism, culminating in mass murder, suffering and oppression_

Churches and Private Charities are the best most efficient safety nets for people during difficult times_

Unfortunately, there will always be some who occasionally fall through the cracks, just as they do now in the world's biggest most agressive socialist economies_

But their suffering would pail in comparison to that of the loss of the American Dream which would come about should the United States become a Big Brother/Mega Government/Socialist Bureaucracy_
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So in answer to your question; yes, "Queen Empirica" would criminalize advocating socialist policies_

The crime would be prosecuted as a form of subversion and/or treason with serious consequences_

(uh-ohhh; this will not be received very well by the true utopian believers) :bolt

What if said church doesn't like you ?.........................

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

`This is a fine example of a troll thread lol.

I disagree. This is actually an excellent thread... an attempt for posters to challenge themselves and their own inconsistencies... something we all have. And from the posts here, most people are afraid to challenge their own inconsistencies for fear of showing weakness.

On the other side, though, I do believe that Dragonfly was incorrect with his definition. The things that he mentioned are not necessarily hypocrisies, but many or the difference between a personal view and a political view. For example, I would not support abortion for someone I got pregnant. However, I support pro-choice legislation, completely.

 

[Dragonfly]

Socialism leads to Communism leads to Totalitarianism, culminating in mass murder, suffering and oppression_

So places like Canada, England, Finland, and Denmark are all DOOMED ?????????

 

[Dragonfly]

On the other side, though, I do believe that Dragonfly was incorrect with his definition. The things that he mentioned are not necessarily hypocrisies

See title - "conflicting ideologies"....plus it's (the intent I was trying to convey) a loose interpretation ....I wasn't expecting people to get so bogged down by the definitive and exact definition of the word "hypocrisy".

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

See title - "conflicting ideologies"....plus it's (the intent I was trying to convey) a loose interpretation ....I wasn't expecting people to get so bogged down by the definitive and exact definition of the word "hypocrisy".

Problem is the word "hypocrisy" has an immediate negative connotation, so people perceived it that way and responded as such. I get what you meant, but presentation is everything. Interesting thread concept though.

 

[SmokeAndMirrors]

I would say that when considering my politics, the biggest thing I ask myself when I'm considering something initially is whether or not it is ethically consistent with my other positions.

If it isn't, either my position has to change, or my ethics have to change.

I honestly cannot think of anything I am hypocritical on, and I am somewhat known for being consistent around here, even if in some people's view it's "consistently wrong."

However, I would be very interested to hear if anyone has spotted something like that in me, because I HATE being hypocritical and I'd like to correct it if I've missed it somewhere.

Actually, I think there might be one thing, now that I'm thinking about it...

I am pro-SSM and anti-state-sponsored marriage. It's basically a compromise. Not a very good one, but not one without logic either.

America is not ready to let go of state-sponsored marriage, despite the fact that it has never done anything but enable social discrimination and cheapen commitment, in my opinion. I argue it whenever I get the chance, but it's just not going away any time in the next 20 years.

So while we're stuck with it, I think we have a responsibility as a secular nation to recognize marriages in whoever asks for them -- same sex couples, polyamorous, whatever. Consenting adults should be able to marry any other consenting adults they wish.

It's imperfect, and not actually what I want, but these discrimination issues are happening now and affecting real people now.

 

[CanadaJohn]

I'm a non-practicing Catholic who still prays

I'm pro-choice but hate abortion - maybe that's up there with the Catholic conflict too

I think the government should be out of the marriage business, but I support SSM

I support Canada's healthcare programs but think Obamacare is a disaster (that's for my liberal friends who constantly harp on my "socialist" healthcare any time I point out an Obamacare problem)

I'm fiscally conservative and socially liberal, like most good Canadian conservatives - in the US, you consider that hypocritical.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

I disagree. This is actually an excellent thread... an attempt for posters to challenge themselves and their own inconsistencies... something we all have. And from the posts here, most people are afraid to challenge their own inconsistencies for fear of showing weakness.

On the other side, though, I do believe that Dragonfly was incorrect with his definition. The things that he mentioned are not necessarily hypocrisies, but many or the difference between a personal view and a political view. For example, I would not support abortion for someone I got pregnant. However, I support pro-choice legislation, completely.

If I thought that this thread was really a troll thread I would have reported it. I was poking fun at the appearance.

I do find the premise intriguing. I like to believe that I am consistent (Im sure somewhere I am not). Complete consistency of ones convictions is much like a unified theory of existence, sounds great but much harder in practice.

So what if the person that got pregnant really didnt want to have your child?

 

[douglas]

I'm libertarian, but don't support the free market. I believe that Utopian Socialism is the best way to preserve human rights.

 

[Mustachio]

I like this thread because I think it does people a lot of good to admit to themselves they're flawed. If you wake up today and say "I'm not going to act like a fool today" then you better know why you acted like a fool yesterday. If not, you can bet everything you've got that you will act like a fool today. And if you don't think you acted like a fool yesterday, ask somebody you talked to and perhaps they'll be kind enough to enlighten you.

I was against same sex marriage in theory even though I supported my own brother's right to be equal. I realized I was being a fool.

I valued honesty but I lied. Now I lie less often. I valued the right to one's own property but I stole. Now I don't steal.

There's one terribly hypocritical thing about me, but I can't say what it is because I'm not allowed to talk about my job on the internet. Trust me, it's something I'll have to work on. Other than that one thing, I'm doing pretty well for myself. Except I complain about my girlfriend not going to see a doctor -- ever -- yet I keep putting off a very needed doctor visit of my own. At least that one doesn't hurt anybody (except myself, of course).

 

[Mustachio]

I'm fiscally conservative and socially liberal, like most good Canadian conservatives - in the US, you consider that hypocritical.

Not in Minnesota, but perhaps many consider that to be part of Canada.