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I still can't find any NRA members who have murdered in the first degree.
The problem is there is no compendium of police shootings that is available to the public. I've tried to find one.
But here's the thing: consider how often you hear about police shooting the wrong guy, a bystander, etc. Quite a lot right?
If a CCW'er shot the wrong person it would be national news for the next 6 months. Heard of one?
Nope
Someone mentioned this earlier but couldn't provide a real source for it. Do you have one?
The problem is there is no compendium of police shootings that is available to the public. I've tried to find one.
But here's the thing: consider how often you hear about police shooting the wrong guy, a bystander, etc. Quite a lot right?
If a CCW'er shot the wrong person it would be national news for the next 6 months. Heard of one?
Nope
The problem is there is no compendium of police shootings that is available to the public. I've tried to find one.
But here's the thing: consider how often you hear about police shooting the wrong guy, a bystander, etc. Quite a lot right?
If a CCW'er shot the wrong person it would be national news for the next 6 months. Heard of one?
So there are actually no figures supporting this?
Yeah, but the police are going to be involved in many more incidents of that nature, because it's their job. It's like saying more fire fighters die in house fires than the general public. Well yeah, because fire fighters spend more time engaging house fires
Logical Fallacy: Appeal to Ignorance
Yeah lol! I need to hear from the Navy guy about leading by example.Why are you looking to others for answers? Do your part, I do mine. Lead by example, it can be contagious...
you are ignoring the cites I gave you. The 2% vs 11%
When someone pretends not to have seen the evidence, I can only assume dishonesty or the fact that your position is faith based and facts won't convince a true believer
You know, I'm big enough to admit when I don't know something just as you were with your post. And this is one of those instances. I don't know. The only thing I can say is refer to my signature line and read the words of the great Thomas Jefferson. I think that may be all we can do. And that sucks.No doubt there would be some errors, but what is the alternative? Simply ignore mental illness?
Yeah lol! I need to hear from the Navy guy about leading by example.
I'm not looking for answers bud. I'm telling you there's not one. There's my part.
I will take care of MY family, live away from the urban sprawls of our country, and arm myself in the event the urban sprawls worst citizens decide to spread their crime to my neck of the woods. That, my squid friend, is what should be done. But, it won't. Why? Because our society is so money hungry/centric that they will sacrifice their safety and liberty to live in these places.
Oh I see. I assumed you were asking a sincere question, rather than just looking for a way to shoot down opposing views. Silly me.
Agreed my friend. I will refer you to my signature line as I did Dittohead. Thomas Jefferson said it best. The thing is, for every maniac that commits an atrocity such as this and shows the warning signs he did, there are thousands that show the same warning signs and never commit the atrocity. Do we impede on those people's lives and liberty, and in turn everyone's life and liberty, to catch one guy who will do this? I don't think so. This isn't Minority Report (if you've seen it).Many things will likely be reported that happened, concerning this latest moron, before he went out in his blaze of glory. The problem is that none were deemed sufficient to remove that moron from society, or even to restrict his access to a "secure" facility. Those that count on the gov't to keep them safe may as well count on Santa Claus to give them all of the items on their wish list. All too often, we read of countless prior offenses committed by these folks yet, as you say, we will never actually lock them up permanently because freedom trumps safety. I, as most, do not want to give up freedom with the silly hope that more gov't power will keep us safe.
That, I will agree with lol. We're pretty much functional retards.Well, Marine's never were known for their deep thinking...
The only thing the Libbos got right about Aaron Alexis is that he's from Texas.
Friend Describes Alexis as Obama Supporter, 'More of a Liberal'
Wasn't he just stationed in Texas?
Maybe so...
No I'm not. Tougher gun laws do not restrict anyone from purchasing a weapon. It would only make the black market more robust and create more problems. Just like the war on drugs.
First, you won't likely be successful at evidencing such "probabilities" in a robust way. But worse, please review your reasoning on this. One can take your same "reasoning" and apply it to the ownership of swimming pools. Or automobiles. If you want to eliminate probability of death, you'd never have children and the species would die out. Your reasoning is shown to be absurd. I use to argue your same point until I paid attention to the arguments, just so you know.
So you care little for rights then, noted.
Hmmm. Just heard that the gunman tried to buy an AR-15, but was prevented from buying one because of a LAW in Virginia, which prevents out of state buyers from buying hanguns and assault rifles. So he settled for a shotgun...if think this was much less lethal.
I guess tougher gun laws in this case DID prevent him from purchasing a weapon. How 'retarded'.
I expect lots of crying and blustering now.
State Law Prevented Sale of Assault Rifle to Suspect Last Week, Officials Say - NYTimes.com
Hmmm. Just heard that the gunman tried to buy an AR-15, but was prevented from buying one because of a LAW in Virginia, which prevents out of state buyers from buying hanguns and assault rifles. So he settled for a shotgun...if think this was much less lethal.
I guess tougher gun laws in this case DID prevent him from purchasing a weapon. How 'retarded'.
I expect lots of crying and blustering now.
State Law Prevented Sale of Assault Rifle to Suspect Last Week, Officials Say - NYTimes.com
Cars and swimming pools are not designed to kill like guns are.
Yes, and proven untrue...Do you have evidence that the weapons used were recently purchased?
perhaps, my lean is to freedom meaning I won't find convincing even arguments that can prove we can gain more safety by decreasing freedom. However, the anti gun scum in office has not come close to even proving their schemes make us safer. I also tend to me completely truthful when it comes to facts
Unconstrained freedom leads to anarchy, no wait, Libertarianism wants state 'protection' but little else. Often, to simply protect those that have . Facts that suit your dogma, yes. On that note, what facts are we discussing?
such as noting that the stuff scumbags call "assault weapons" are rarely used in crime (which really doesn't matter-criminal misuse does not proffer a strong argument against prohibiting lawful ownership or use)
I'm not for any total ban (on most weaponry), for most people. But I am for a challenge on the 'right to bear arms' on many levels.
Since most anti gunners' positions are based on dishonesty (pretending crime control rather than harassing lawful ownership is their motivation), the rest of their arguments tend to be easily destroyed.
I think most arguments are for finding a reason why America keeps suffering these 'mass shootings'. That's got to be something we can agree on, surly?
Paul
Which also goes to show you that an assault rifle ban would do nothing. This guy didn't have an assault rifle yet found a way to kill 12 people. Would it have been worse? Idk. I can say that the shotgun, in the type of environment he was using it, was probably more deadly than an assault rifle would have been.Hmmm. Just heard that the gunman tried to buy an AR-15, but was prevented from buying one because of a LAW in Virginia, which prevents out of state buyers from buying hanguns and assault rifles. So he settled for a shotgun...if think this was much less lethal.
I guess tougher gun laws in this case DID prevent him from purchasing a weapon. How 'retarded'.
I expect lots of crying and blustering now.
State Law Prevented Sale of Assault Rifle to Suspect Last Week, Officials Say - NYTimes.com
When he purchased his weapons is immaterial. What should be more worrying is the fact his weapons were not confiscated on health grounds. Again, highlighting the ease of gun ownership.
So what do you propose we do about the mental health issue? Should we have a national, Federally run database that all doctors report mentally unstable patients they deem unfit to buy firearms to?Unconstrained freedom leads to anarchy, no wait, Libertarianism wants state 'protection' but little else. Often, to simply protect those that have . Facts that suit your dogma, yes. On that note, what facts are we discussing?
I'm not for any total ban (on most weaponry), for most people. But I am for a challenge on the 'right to bear arms' on many levels.
I think most arguments are for finding a reason why America keeps suffering these 'mass shootings'. That's got to be something we can agree on, surly?
Paul
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