Abstinence, a poll

[KrissiB]

No I wouldn't- and no one should accept a law that limits the reasons we can have sex - or what we do in our bedrooms period.

 

[Scrabaholic]

Even if unfortunately and unreasonably legal, homicide for personal gain is not a mature way of dealing with one's problems. It is destructively selfish. Loathesome.

Abortion is not homicide - you have been corrected on that many times.

BTW, everyone is selfish, and having a child is selfish as well since most people have them because they *want* to. Selfish is not always a bad thing.

 

[JayDubya]

Abortion is not homicide - you have been corrected on that many times.

You are objectively wrong, of course, but you can learn what words mean on your own time, as your delusions are immaterial to the discussion at hand.

BTW, everyone is selfish, and having a child is selfish as well since most people have them because they *want* to. Selfish is not always a bad thing.

There's a difference between simply following one's own self-interest (which virtually everyone does) and deliberately harming or attacking other folks for your own personal benefit.

 

[Jredbaron96]

Ya know what, nevermind.

 

[nota bene]

Abortion is not homicide - you have been corrected on that many times.

BTW, everyone is selfish, and having a child is selfish as well since most people have them because they *want* to. Selfish is not always a bad thing.

But it's often a very bad thing. And 50 million abortions isn't altruism.

 

[Scrabaholic]

You are objectively wrong, of course, but you can learn what words mean on your own time, as your delusions are immaterial to the discussion at hand.

If you can't discuss without resorting to hurling insults, please do not respond to my posts. I don't insult you and I'll thank you to give me the same consideration.

There's a difference between simply following one's own self-interest (which virtually everyone does) and deliberately harming or attacking other folks for your own personal benefit.

Having an abortion is not "attacking other folks" in any way, shape or form. Period.

 

[Aberration]

Abortion is not homicide - you have been corrected on that many times.

BTW, everyone is selfish, and having a child is selfish as well since most people have them because they *want* to. Selfish is not always a bad thing.

Homicide is the killing of a human. How is it not?

 

[JayDubya]

If you can't discuss without resorting to hurling insults, please do not respond to my posts. I don't insult you and I'll thank you to give me the same consideration.

What insult? You are wrong and your statement is delusional - that is to say out of touch with reality. This is objectively true. I don't know how you take a neutral statement of objective truth to be an insult.

Having an abortion is not "attacking other folks" in any way, shape or form. Period.

Yeah, except for all the ones being violently killed...

 

[minnie616]

Homicide is the killing of a human. How is it not?

Homicide is the killing of a person.

The unborn are not considered persons.

 

[JayDubya]

Homicide is the killing of a...

Human.

As the word's obvious latin roots suggest. As the definition states.

 

[minnie616]

Human rights attach at birth, not at conception.
There is no Death cetificate issued for a fetus that was miscarried.

 

[nota bene]

Human rights attach at birth, not at conception.
There is no Death cetificate issued for a fetus that was miscarried.

But there are for stillbirths.

Not that this matters. You can argue all you please to rationalize and depersonalize, but at every stage of development, we're talking about human life. And the willful taking of it through abortion. No getting around that.

 

[minnie616]

But there are for stillbirths.

Of course there are for still births.
I think 20 weeks is the cut off stillbirts.
When I had my second miscarrige between my second and third child I was almost 20 weeks gestation.
I did not get a death certificate.

 

[JayDubya]

Human rights attach at birth, not at conception.

Appeal to the status quo to support the status quo?

It's the status quo we're arguing against.

You don't need to assert it. We know what we're arguing against.

 

[nota bene]

Of course there are for still births.
I think 20 weeks is the cut off stillbirts.
When I had my second miscarrige between my second and third child I was almost 20 weeks gestation.
I did not get a death certificate.

What do you mean "of course"? By virtue of a trip through the birth canal, a human being is vested with humanity?

And again, what does miscarriage have do to with abortion? Answer: Absolutely nothing.

 

[minnie616]

What do you mean "of course"? By virtue of a trip through the birth canal, a human being is vested with humanity?

When I miscarried I went into early labor and my fetus took a trip through the birth canal, but because I was less than 20 weeks gestation the doctors called it a miscarrige...NOT a stillbirth.

 

[Jredbaron96]

When I miscarried I went into early labor and my fetus took a trip through the birth canal, but because I was less than 20 weeks gestation the doctors called it a miscarrige...NOT a stillbirth.

Wow...I'm sorry for your loss.

I had a friend who had finally gotten pregnant. She was so happy about being a mother, it hit her hard when she had a miscarriage.

 

[Masada]

When I miscarried I went into early labor and my fetus took a trip through the birth canal, but because I was less than 20 weeks gestation the doctors called it a miscarrige...NOT a stillbirth.

What they are saying is none of that matters, because science even states that life begins at conception. The social accepting of abortion had little to do with science, because at the time Roe was passed, the science hadn't answered these questions and applied them to a social context yet.

Minnie, I have a question. What do you think is attributing to the trend of more and more people identifying themselves as "pro-life"? and less people identifying themselves as "pro-choice"?

 

[nota bene]

When I miscarried I went into early labor and my fetus took a trip through the birth canal, but because I was less than 20 weeks gestation the doctors called it a miscarrige...NOT a stillbirth.

And so? Your baby wasn't human? Is this your point?

 

[Masada]

One of the biggest ironies I've discovered about liberalism, and liberal ideology, is how they claim to be "humanitarians". People who care for other people.

Yet, they are the ideological group that supports abortion, and the ideological group that has outlawed the feeding of homeless people in numerous communities.

Humanitarians? Yet they have outlawed private citizens feeding the homeless? I believe I understand why. They try to centralize everything through the constructs of government. Whereas Conservatives have the philosophy that helping the poor is also a "personal" responsibility. This is expressed in real numbers. Like the fact that conservatives, in general, give far more money to charity than liberals. Liberals rely on a centralized entity (government) to help the poor. Conservatives make it more personal.

SO, it's my opinion that conservatives are far more "humanitarian" than liberals.

 

[minnie616]

Wow...I'm sorry for your loss.

I had a friend who had finally gotten pregnant. She was so happy about being a mother, it hit her hard when she had a miscarriage.

Thank you for your kind words and thoughts.
I am sorry for your friends loss.

ETA:
My loss hit me very hard too.

 

[choiceone]

The people on this thread are moving away from the topic. I myself may be abstinent from choice, but it is my choice. Making an abstinence law is the government trying to control sexual behavior and to define heterosexual sexual intercourse by one of its various consequences, namely, pregnancy. What would that mean? Would the government tell people they had to abstain unless they were trying to produce offspring? Would it tell people that any sex they had which issued in pregnancy would require that the pregnant female continue the pregnancy even in a case of rape or threat to the pregnant female's life?

 

[JayDubya]

The people on this thread are moving away from the topic.

The topic is a bad faith representation of what people actually advocate.

My first, initial response was all this topic deserved.

 

[Zen]

We should be permitted to engage in any behavior, sexual or otherwise, that does not tangibly infringe upon the rights or safety of others. Therefore I would never support a law that requires abstinence, nor do I think such legislation would even be proposed, at least in the Western world.

 

[Alyssa]

No. And I doubt that the most rabid pro lifer would, either.