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About that new 9(a) rule

Prompt: "Please analyze this text and respond in the style of Sheriff Andy Griffith"
Well now, this here's a mighty interesting piece of writin' you've got for me. It's got some good points, some deep thinkin', and even a bit of that "why bother" attitude folks sometimes get.
On Bein' Better
"Cute. Shallow." – That's a mighty quick way to sum somethin' up, ain't it? But then you go right into how folks can strive to be better, and how that's just plain socially logical. And you're right, we do live in societies, and we gotta get along.
You ask why it's logical, and then you answer it yourself. It's about being part of this collective of humans on this one planet. What one person does, it can sure enough ripple out and affect everyone else. If we all pitched in and thought about the big picture, well, I reckon things would mend up a lot faster. When folks just take from the world and don't feel the need to put somethin' back, that's where things get a bit slow and bumpy, like a wagon on a rocky road.
So, it's mighty logical to have ideals and try to be a better person. It just makes good sense.
The Power of Good
You hit the nail on the head when you talk about how bad news travels faster than good. But folks, they get tired of all that negativity, don't they? They crave a good story, a little somethin' to lift their spirits. That means a single good turn can have a bigger splash than all the bad vibes put together. And that's why, even with all the trouble in the world, things generally lean towards gettin' better.
You see, peace and prosperity are always tryin' to nudge out war, poverty, and crime. And that's 'cause folks, deep down, they appreciate a good deed more than a bad one. It's just the way we're wired, I reckon.
Two Ways of Lookin' at It
Now, you got two views here, and both of 'em ring true in different folks.
The immature, poorly informed view: "Who gives a flock? Nothing really matters." Well, bless their hearts, they might think that, but it's a lonesome way to go through life.
Then you got the mature, well-informed view: "Doing good is worthwhile. It really matters, and the resultant endorphins lead to a long happy life." And you bring up President Jimmy Carter. Now there's a man who's lived a life of service, and look at him, still goin' strong. That just goes to show you, don't it? Bein' good ain't just good for others, it's good for your own soul too.
So, what do you reckon? Does puttin' a little good out into the world make a difference to you?

It would have been better had you written something yourself in a sincere way, which represented and conveyed the notion that you actually gave it some thought.
 
It would have been better had you written something yourself in a sincere way, which represented and conveyed the notion that you actually gave it some thought.
I thought we were just doing stuff. Since you put 10x more effort into responding to me about your ideals in a thread about rule 9a about AI Content than you did reading the first 10 posts before asking a question.
 
I thought we were just doing stuff. Since you put 10x more effort into responding to me about your ideals in a thread about rule 9a about AI Content than you did reading the first 10 posts before asking a question.
It's impressive, the techniques used to avoid talking about being a responsible member of society. That's fine. Humanity is progressing regardless.
 
It's impressive, the techniques used to avoid talking about being a responsible member of society. That's fine. Humanity is progressing regardless.
Not in this thread, obviously.
 
Not in this thread, obviously.
Actually, through your mocking, it has provided many opportunities to state the correct behavior. Even though cynicism has prevailed, the good advice is also out there.
 
@RedAkston I'm sorry if this is a dumb question, but does this pertain to the AI forum? Just wondering how we discuss AI without referencing AI, including in depth analysis of outputs that may exceed the 5000 character limit and require multiple posts.

Just want to make sure i understand so I don't get in trouble. I get it that one can discuss AI on other platforms, and that the kind of discussion I'm talking about may be out of scope for DP.
 
I'm a little lost on this. Does that mean that if someone links to a video that happens to have AI content the user is subject to an outright ban? I mean, I THINK I can identify most videos that have AI but I can't really be sure and don't exactly know how to tell for sure.
 
@RedAkston I'm sorry if this is a dumb question, but does this pertain to the AI forum? Just wondering how we discuss AI without referencing AI, including in depth analysis of outputs that may exceed the 5000 character limit and require multiple posts.

Just want to make sure i understand so I don't get in trouble. I get it that one can discuss AI on other platforms, and that the kind of discussion I'm talking about may be out of scope for DP.
Referencing AI is not a problem.

The rule was created to prevent a poster just copying and pasting an AI result as if it were their own words without referencing that the text is the result of an AI inquiry/search. This won't be a problem for 99% of our membership.
 
I'm a little lost on this. Does that mean that if someone links to a video that happens to have AI content the user is subject to an outright ban? I mean, I THINK I can identify most videos that have AI but I can't really be sure and don't exactly know how to tell for sure.
Very few rules result in an outright ban. 9a violations don't fall under this category.
 
Referencing AI is not a problem.

The rule was created to prevent a poster just copying and pasting an AI result as if it were their own words without referencing that the text is the result of an AI inquiry/search. This won't be a problem for 99% of our membership.

Thanks, boss. :)
 
I think there's subtle difference between linking to content that someone else generated with AI vs posting material that you generated with AI.

Using a Google search often generates “AI Overview” (text) content and appears to do so by using multiple sources, yet doesn’t always quote directly from them. Does the new 9(a) rule require noting the use of any of that text must include a “Partially generated by Google AI Overview” annotation?
 
Using a Google search often generates “AI Overview” (text) content and appears to do so by using multiple sources, yet doesn’t always quote directly from them. Does the new 9(a) rule require noting the use of any of that text must include a “Partially generated by Google AI Overview” annotation?
You'll need to ask someone in authority (something I think the mods fear I might have some day ;)).
 
Actually, this AI situation is becoming quite the unexpected result of tech advances by humans.

It's good to see management here is keeping an eye on this, but it may be that revisions will arise as new laws are passed and new weird uses of AI are come up with by some folks that have mean intentions.

Here in Japan troubles with AI are starting to take up a lot of admin time on websites. I suspect that eventually a busy website is going to need at least one team member who has some experience with this AI stuff and stays focused on just that one aspect of site management.

Frankly, the amazing ability of the human mind is especially shown when bad folks get into a game. Many bad folks are super smart.

Did y'all know that AI is now being used on YouTube to generate fake voices of famous people? Here in Japan the law enforcement folks are focused on advertising companies that use that technology. Not sure if you folks over the in the U.S. have your attention on just that one area of this AI stuff, but it is an example of how such bad stuff can happen.

Sorry; just wanted to commend management here for having an eye on this AI thing. But being an old man (a jiji) requires certain responsibilities to the OPC and doing long yak-yak-yak posts in one. OPC = Old Person(')s Corps
YEAH to old people!
 
I think this deserves some genuine software development. It is possible to get a lengthy AI response, created on demand, which could be archived somewhere. Using a "spoiler" tag is a kludge, but we could do better. Additionally, I know that for example perplexity.ai will create a link to an answer thread, which contains multiple questions and answers ... unfortunately, the link is only good for two weeks. If the site had a tool where you could simply paste the URL for the AI research, and then it would copy the whole thing into a background file, and put a pretty link to it, make a note that that site's answers were formally licensed for noncommercial reuse by the AI terms and therefore can be stored by debatepolitics for a forum post indefinitely, and give you an option to easily quote snippets within the object that links to it ... well, that would be a doozy.
 
I'm having trouble with this. I often use AI to help with translations or to correct my english texts, especially for longer texts. I'm also one of those who sometimes posts long content split over multiple entries, simply because the topic is too complex for me to explain clearly in just one post (this applies when I'm the one starting the thread). Sure, I could go back to using Google Translate, and I could avoid starting threads that require deeper understanding. (Both required if I am not to get banned) But that would be limiting, for the discussion and for the overall climate here. Since moderators can't actually tell whether I (or anyone else) used AI for translation or similar tasks, it turns into an arbitrary decision followed by immediate suspension...

What this forces me, and others, to do is self-censor and simplify the debate (since longer posts can no longer be shared without risking suspension).

What do you say: @NWRatCon, @Chomsky and @Craig234 ? You do not need any correction or translation, but you do the longer posts , just like me. This rule actually means you need to stop if you don't want to risk being banned.

@RedAkston
 
I'm having trouble with this. I often use AI to help with translations or to correct my english texts, especially for longer texts. I'm also one of those who sometimes posts long content split over multiple entries, simply because the topic is too complex for me to explain clearly in just one post (this applies when I'm the one starting the thread). Sure, I could go back to using Google Translate, and I could avoid starting threads that require deeper understanding. (Both required if I am not to get banned) But that would be limiting, for the discussion and for the overall climate here. Since moderators can't actually tell whether I (or anyone else) used AI for translation or similar tasks, it turns into an arbitrary decision followed by immediate suspension...

What this forces me, and others, to do is self-censor and simplify the debate (since longer posts can no longer be shared without risking suspension).

What do you say: @NWRatCon, @Chomsky and @Craig234 ? You do not need any correction or translation, but you do the longer posts , just like me. This rule actually means you need to stop if you don't want to risk being banned.

@RedAkston
I could put a disclaimer on my profile that says "I use AI to proofread all my English texts. That's what puts the apostrophes in the right place, not me :)" and that, wether or not I have used it, would make sure I'll be safe from being banned? Or? @RedAkston? But I still would have to reframe for doing more intellectual challenging threads.
 
What do you say: @NWRatCon, @Chomsky and @Craig234 ? You do not need any correction or translation, but you do the longer posts , just like me. This rule actually means you need to stop if you don't want to risk being banned.

@RedAkston
I've been away, so only just became aware of the rule. I try to ensure I use a cite and/or link - and quotation marks - whenever I post anything that is not my own language. That includes when I post AI generated synopses. Of course, slip-ups happen, but as a journalist, writer and lawyer, attribution was drilled into me, as the result of failure is a charge of plagiarism (or worse). This rule seems to be directed at attribution.

As AI becomes more ubiquitous, it becomes harder to ensure accurate attribution, though (as not all AI systems are very good at this), but I assume this will be a judgment call for the Moderators - add it to a long list, sorry about that - so I think all that any of us can do is, do our best.

Translation, I think, has to be a separate consideration, but clarity on that point needs to come from the Mod team. The point seems to be to ensure the content is yours, even if the language it was written in was not your own, at least I hope so. I use translators, sometimes, to check my word choices because I speak (write) no other languages more than poorly, and extremely limitedly - despite years of formal French classes. (Some would say the same for my English.)

Another thought occurred to me that would otherwise trap all of us: autocorrect. I've often found it "correcting" (corrupting) what I wrote, but any time it is turned on one would be "using AI" to write for you. I'd put translators in the same category. Common sense has to prevail.
 
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I've been away, so only just became aware of the rule. I try to ensure I use a cite and/or link - and quotation marks - whenever I post anything that is not my own language. That includes when I post AI generated synopses. Of course, slip-ups happen, but as a journalist, writer and lawyer, attribution was drilled into me, as the result of failure is a charge of plagiarism (or worse). This rule seems to be directed at attribution.

As AI becomes more ubiquitous, it becomes harder to ensure accurate attribution, though (as not all AI systems are very good at this), but I assume this will be a judgment call for the Moderators - add it to a long list, sorry about that - so I think all that any of us can do is, do our best.

Translation, I think, has to be a separate consideration, but clarity on that point needs to come from the Mod team. The point seems to be to ensure the content is yours, even if the language it was written in was not your own, at least I hope so. I use translators, sometimes, to check my word choices because I speak (write) no other languages more than poorly, and extremely limitedly - despite years of formal French classes. (Some would say the same for my English.)

Another thought occurred to me that would otherwise trap all of us: autocorrect. I've often found it "correcting" (corrupting) what I wrote, but any time it is turned on one would be "using AI" to write for you. I'd put translators in the same category. Common sense has to prevail.
That is not what I am saying. I am saying: Since moderators can't actually tell whether I (or anyone else) used AI for translation or similar tasks, it turns into an arbitrary decision followed by immediate suspension... What this forces me, and others, to do is self-censor and simplify the debate (since longer posts can no longer be shared without risking suspension). Read the rule again....
 
9a. AI Generated content - A post containing AI Generated material MUST have a disclaimer or link that the content was created or copied from an AI original source. Failure to cite a disclaimer could result in losing posting privileges. Multiple continuation posts of AI Generated content to circumvent the post size limitation will not be tolerated and could result in losing posting privileges. This includes AI Images.

Two things, one is a fairly reliable AI detector,


Second, just be sure to clarify which AI model you were using. If you're really responsible, then show exactly what prompt you entered. Easy peasy, just make it clear if you post AI content.
 
We're all human here (presumably). Since this rule was added to the "attribution" rule, it is logical that it is an extension of that.

"9a. AI Generated content - A post containing AI Generated material MUST have a disclaimer or link that the content was created or copied from an AI original source. Failure to cite a disclaimer could result in losing posting privileges. Multiple continuation posts of AI Generated content to circumvent the post size limitation will not be tolerated and could result in losing posting privileges. This includes AI Images."

The rule, I think, is a valiant effort to address AI content. If I may, though, its structure is a bit vague and could use some tweaking for clarity - maybe using an AI editor? (With proper credit, of course) Just a thought.
 
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