Abortion Protesters Target Contractor Of Planned Parenthood Site

[Felicity]

Abortion saves women's lives, not only their physical lives, but their work lives, their school lives, their WHOLE LIVES.

Can you cite an example where if a woman had a baby at an unplanned time against her personal work or school desires, where her life was ruined as a direct result of having that baby instead of killing it? The baby and pregnancy does not ruin a life--the way a person deals with the events in her life determine her outcome. You cannot prove your claim because having a life turn out differently from what one expects is not a lost life--that's REALITY--EVERYONE'S life turns out differently than one exactly expects--pregnancies or no pregnancies--that's reality.

 

[jamesrage]

Protest In Greenwood Village Neighborhood Upsetting To Some



video at link.

so, protesting at clinics, or the homes of the doctors and staff isn't enough anymore. now they are going after contracters as well. and who cares about their neighbors, who have nothing to do with planned parenthood or abortion?

Abortion clinics do not just build themselves.

 

[aps]

I love it when ad hominem is the only reply.

As for grammar/mechanics errors....I don't exactly consider the venue anything more than conversational. I know I make errors sometimes--big whoop. "Its and you're" errors are my personal foible...and I've never been a great speller--I know the rule, its habit (and I did that "its" oops on PURPOSE!!!:neener) Where's WICrippler and his Grammar Nazi award when it's really appropriate?!:rofl

As a Grammar Nazi, let me just say that it's distracting to me when I see people screw up the English language. Frankly, it makes someone look less intelligent, in my eyes, and I may not give that person's words much importance as a result. Sometimes I feel compelled to point it out to the writer because it could be a learning experience to that person. I don't think it makes OKGrannie's point any less valid. JMO

 

[OKgrannie]

Can you cite an example where if a woman had a baby at an unplanned time against her personal work or school desires, where her life was ruined as a direct result of having that baby instead of killing it? The baby and pregnancy does not ruin a life--the way a person deals with the events in her life determine her outcome. You cannot prove your claim because having a life turn out differently from what one expects is not a lost life--that's REALITY--EVERYONE'S life turns out differently than one exactly expects--pregnancies or no pregnancies--that's reality.

Whether or not a life is "ruined" and the cause of that "ruination" will always be a matter of opinion. The person who owns the life is the one most capable of deciding, most entitled to decide, whether a particular pregnancy/childbirth/childrearing will "ruin" her life. A woman who feels that a pregnancy/child has "ruined" her life, will do significant damage to the child in question, perhaps "ruining" another life. Perhaps MORE women's lives were ruined in the past when unmarried pregnancy/childbirth was a severe social stigma, but some remnants of that attitude prevail today.

 

[jamesrage]

Whether or not a life is "ruined" and the cause of that "ruination" will always be a matter of opinion. The person who owns the life is the one most capable of deciding, most entitled to decide, whether a particular pregnancy/childbirth/childrearing will "ruin" her life.

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Perhaps MORE women's lives were ruined in the past when unmarried pregnancy/childbirth was a severe social stigma, but some remnants of that attitude prevail today.

Certain activities come with certain risks.If you do not want those risks then you either you avoid that activity or you take all the precautions you can to avoid the risks associated with that activity.

A woman who feels that a pregnancy/child has "ruined" her life, will do significant damage to the child in question, perhaps "ruining" another life.

If she does not want the baby then she can give it up for adoption.

 

[Felicity]

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As a Grammar Nazi, let me just say that it's distracting to me when I see people screw up the English language. Frankly, it makes someone look less intelligent, in my eyes, and I may not give that person's words much importance as a result. Sometimes I feel compelled to point it out to the writer because it could be a learning experience to that person. I don't think it makes OKGrannie's point any less valid. JMO

Well...you're welcome to agonize over it if you want. Personally, I read an exorbitant number of teenage essays, and when I do, I am in Grammar Nazi mode--I know the rules and I know proper sentence structure. When I post here, this is entertainment, and I do not wish to "work" too hard at it agonizing over putting my best words in the best order and editing ad nauseum. As I said, it's conversational, and if either of you are the type to point out corrections in casual conversations, well...I personally don't think that's particularly polite and a whole 'nother issue. If I were editing everything I wrote for publication, I sure as hell wouldn't use such colloquialisms and my penchant for ellipsis and dashes would certainly be curtailed. I choose to just be my flawed old self. I make mistakes sometimes--I don't think that makes me any less intelligent, but it does perhaps make me genuine.:mrgreen:

Oh—and if you’re on the lookout for other common errors that I make—Just check words that end in “ent” or “ant”—I hardly EVER get that right!:lol:

Same for "ence" and "ance"...It's almost to the degree that if I write it "ance" you can be rest assured it should be "ence." C'est la vie. :shrug:

 

[Felicity]

Whether or not a life is "ruined" and the cause of that "ruination" will always be a matter of opinion. The person who owns the life is the one most capable of deciding, most entitled to decide, whether a particular pregnancy/childbirth/childrearing will "ruin" her life. A woman who feels that a pregnancy/child has "ruined" her life, will do significant damage to the child in question, perhaps "ruining" another life. Perhaps MORE women's lives were ruined in the past when unmarried pregnancy/childbirth was a severe social stigma, but some remnants of that attitude prevail today.

Exactly as I said--it's how she deals with the events of her life, NOT the fact of her pregnancy. If a woman is gonna be unhappy--she'll find a way to blame someone or something other than herself--that's how people who are like that operate.

 

[tecoyah]

About as many times as Pro-Choice men

Well...please consider I was the only person in the room with my wife for 2 of our children...so I may not have been the pusher, but I was the catcher. Yet, we are both pro choice.

Never had an abortion...likely never will. It's not about what "We" would do, its about what we "Can" do.

 

[OKgrannie]

Certain activities come with certain risks.If you do not want those risks then you either you avoid that activity or you take all the precautions you can to avoid the risks associated with that activity.

Avoiding sex is not an option for humankind. We are programmed to be sexual creatures and denying that won't work. While taking precautions is admirable, sometimes the precautions don't work.

If she does not want the baby then she can give it up for adoption.

Giving a baby up for adoption is more emotionally traumatic than abortion. Women who have done so frequently suffer for the rest of their lives for that decision. After having the zef attached to her for nine months, a woman is emotionally attached to the baby even if she doesn't want to be a mother. Besides, many women don't want to complete the pregnancy.

 

[aps]

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Well...you're welcome to agonize over it if you want. Personally, I read an exorbitant number of teenage essays, and when I do, I am in Grammar Nazi mode--I know the rules and I know proper sentence structure. When I post here, this is entertainment, and I do not wish to "work" too hard at it agonizing over putting my best words in the best order and editing ad nauseum. As I said, it's conversational, and if either of you are the type to point out corrections in casual conversations, well...I personally don't think that's particularly polite and a whole 'nother issue. If I were editing everything I wrote for publication, I sure as hell wouldn't use such colloquialisms and my penchant for ellipsis and dashes would certainly be curtailed. I choose to just be my flawed old self. I make mistakes sometimes--I don't think that makes me any less intelligent, but it does perhaps make me genuine.:mrgreen:

Oh—and if you’re on the lookout for other common errors that I make—Just check words that end in “ent” or “ant”—I hardly EVER get that right!:lol:

Same for "ence" and "ance"...It's almost to the degree that if I write it "ance" you can be rest assured it should be "ence." C'est la vie. :shrug:

I don't agonize over this issue. It's something I notice in anything that is written that I read. When there is improper use of grammar, I notice it, and it distracts me. That's all I was saying. I think it's interesting that you have two, different modes. I have only one mode, and that's to get spelling and grammar correct at all times. Do I succeed every time? I don't know. But that's what I aim for, and it's something inherent in me.

I only point out errors with my husband, who occassionally speaks improper English. When my son eventually speaks, I will be correcting him as well.

I hadn't paid attention to your writing before now, so it couldn't be all that bad.

 

[jamesrage]

Avoiding sex is not an option for humankind. We are programmed to be sexual creatures and denying that won't work.

There is always choices.No one points a gun to your head and forces you to do something you do or do not want to do.

While taking precautions is admirable, sometimes the precautions don't work.

For some reason I doubt these people used adequate protection.

Giving a baby up for adoption is more emotionally traumatic than abortion.

If it is truly a matter of them not wanting a baby then giving it up for adoption is logical choice.If you cat/dog had kittens/puppies you wouldn't kill the kittens/puppies because you didn't want your pet to have kittens/puppies,you would give them away when they are old enough.

Besides, many women don't want to complete the pregnancy.

Which is the real reason why someone would want an abortion.As I said before certain activity have consequences,if you do not want those consequences then you do not engage in that activity or you take adequate precautions.

 

[OKgrannie]

There is always choices.No one points a gun to your head and forces you to do something you do or do not want to do.

Actually, that has been known to happen. Individually, we have choices, but humanity as a whole is programmed to be sexual and humanity as a whole will prevail.

For some reason I doubt these people used adequate protection.

What is adequate? If you define anything that fails, no matter how rarely, as inadequate, then nothing is adequate. Since even sterilizations are known to fail.....

If it is truly a matter of them not wanting a baby then giving it up for adoption is logical choice.If you cat/dog had kittens/puppies you wouldn't kill the kittens/puppies because you didn't want your pet to have kittens/puppies,you would give them away when they are old enough.

Silly, many dogs and cats have abortions because they escaped the vigilance of their owners and dallied with unworthy companions.

Which is the real reason why someone would want an abortion.As I said before certain activity have consequences,if you do not want those consequences then you do not engage in that activity or you take adequate precautions.

We're going around in circles here....there is no such thing as "adequate" precautions and human nature being what it is, people are going to have sex anyway. Thousands of years of human history should show us that. Nowadays there is a perfectly healthy medical procedure to deal with unwanted pregnancies (indeed safer than childbirth), and there is no reason why those who wish to avail themselves of that procedure should be denied it.

 

[Felicity]

I only point out errors with my husband, who occassionally speaks improper English. When my son eventually speaks, I will be correcting him as well.

When in high school, I edited one of my husband's love letters and WHOA....I don't correct him anymore (I told Jerry that once and he uses it against me all the time now :mrgreen.

I hadn't paid attention to your writing before now, so it couldn't be all that bad.

It's not THAT bad, that's why I'm not worried about it. I'm human--Grannie just needs to feel superior since I stomp all over her debate sources so frequently

 

[DeeJayH]

Abortion saves women's lives, not only their physical lives, but their work lives, their school lives, their WHOLE LIVES. People have babies for selfish reasons, why should abortion be different?

:2rofll:
drama queen

Can you cite an example where if a woman had a baby at an unplanned time against her personal work or school desires, where her life was ruined as a direct result of having that baby instead of killing it? The baby and pregnancy does not ruin a life--the way a person deals with the events in her life determine her outcome. You cannot prove your claim because having a life turn out differently from what one expects is not a lost life--that's REALITY--EVERYONE'S life turns out differently than one exactly expects--pregnancies or no pregnancies--that's reality.

why blame one self, when you can cop out and blame another? :roll:

As a Grammar Nazi, let me just say that it's distracting to me when I see people screw up the English language. Frankly, it makes someone look less intelligent, in my eyes, and I may not give that person's words much importance as a result. Sometimes I feel compelled to point it out to the writer because it could be a learning experience to that person. I don't think it makes OKGrannie's point any less valid. JMO

pm will suffice
public comments are smug pompous stupidity

Whether or not a life is "ruined" and the cause of that "ruination" will always be a matter of opinion. The person who owns the life is the one most capable of deciding, most entitled to decide, whether a particular pregnancy/childbirth/childrearing will "ruin" her life. A woman who feels that a pregnancy/child has "ruined" her life, will do significant damage to the child in question, perhaps "ruining" another life. Perhaps MORE women's lives were ruined in the past when unmarried pregnancy/childbirth was a severe social stigma, but some remnants of that attitude prevail today.

kill the offspring because the parent may 'ruin' the child
by that logic nobody should have kids
i know i, and everybody i know, screwed up their kids
luckily my kid turned out just fine in spite of me
or maybe because i did enough good to offset my mistakes

Avoiding sex is not an option for humankind. We are programmed to be sexual creatures and denying that won't work. While taking precautions is admirable, sometimes the precautions don't work.

the slut excuse
humans are also capable of self restraint and personal responsibility
which is much more important to most than spreading their legs at the drop of a dime or sticking it any wet hole they come across
its not too late to grow up and take some personal responsibility for your actions

 

[DeeJayH]

I only point out errors with my husband, who occassionally speaks improper English. When my son eventually speaks, I will be correcting him as well. .

congratulations, that is what a parent is supposed to do

I don't agonize over this issue. It's something I notice in anything that is written that I read. When there is improper use of grammar, I notice it, and it distracts me. That's all I was saying. I think it's interesting that you have two, different modes. I have only one mode, and that's to get spelling and grammar correct at all times. Do I succeed every time? I don't know. But that's what I aim for, and it's something inherent in me..

you are rather simple, arent you. and maybe a tad anal
is your life so empty that you need to be a grammar/spelling nazi
again, same pathetic thing could be accomplished with a pm
you can vent your frustration
and the rest of us can delete your pm w/o reading it

 

[Felicity]

congratulations, that is what a parent is supposed to do


you are rather simple, arent you. and maybe a tad anal
is your life so empty that you need to be a grammar/spelling nazi
again, same pathetic thing could be accomplished with a pm
you can vent your frustration
and the rest of us can delete your pm w/o reading it

Oh Deej--knock it off...it's no big deal.

 

[DeeJayH]

What is adequate? If you define anything that fails, no matter how rarely, as inadequate, then nothing is adequate. Since even sterilizations are known to fail.....

We're going around in circles here....there is no such thing as "adequate" precautions and human nature being what it is, people are going to have sex anyway. Thousands of years of human history should show us that. Nowadays there is a perfectly healthy medical procedure to deal with unwanted pregnancies (indeed safer than childbirth), and there is no reason why those who wish to avail themselves of that procedure should be denied it.

common sense says the BC failed is just means the person is too embarrassed to say they did not USE BC
run the numbers
Failure rate with the limited amount of time one can become pregnant and one would have to work really hard, or really stupidly, to get pregnant by mistake
instead of quitting sex, why not quit having sex without protection, and only during the times the slaughter house is not fertile
the overwhelming unplanned pregnancies and abortions are a result of IRRESPONSIBLE behaviour followed by irrespsonsible actions to deal with it
otherwise noboby would bother with condoms/other BC because they are otherwise seriously flawed

only a chump would beleive most unplanned pregnancies occured despite every precaution being taken

 

[1069]

you are rather simple, arent you. and maybe a tad anal

..... :mrgreen:. *pop!*

 

[OKgrannie]

It's not THAT bad, that's why I'm not worried about it. I'm human--Grannie just needs to feel superior since I stomp all over her debate sources so frequently

It's not THAT bad. I just don't think a REAL English teacher would make those mistakes frequently. Maybe you're just not a GOOD English teacher. Or maybe you lied about being an English teacher...which means maybe you lied about other stuff too.

 

[1069]

It's not THAT bad. I just don't think a REAL English teacher would make those mistakes frequently. Maybe you're just not a GOOD English teacher. Or maybe you lied about being an English teacher...which means maybe you lied about other stuff too.

Public school teachers only have bachelor's degrees, and private school teachers don't even have to have that (at least in my state).
It's perfectly possible that Felicity is in fact an English teacher.
It's perfectly possible that people even less intelligent than Felicity are English teachers.
I know several teachers, and let me tell you; I mean, they're nice people, but they aren't like really smart or anything (if they were, they'd probably be making more money doing something else).
Besides... people misspell stuff all the time. Especially young people (Felicity's not actually that old). They were not taught to spell with phonics.

 

[new coup for you]

Yeah, lower-education teachers aren't really the intellectual vanguard.

If they were they'd be in higher education.

 

[OKgrannie]

common sense says the BC failed is just means the person is too embarrassed to say they did not USE BC
run the numbers
Failure rate with the limited amount of time one can become pregnant and one would have to work really hard, or really stupidly, to get pregnant by mistake
instead of quitting sex, why not quit having sex without protection, and only during the times the slaughter house is not fertile
the overwhelming unplanned pregnancies and abortions are a result of IRRESPONSIBLE behaviour followed by irrespsonsible actions to deal with it
otherwise noboby would bother with condoms/other BC because they are otherwise seriously flawed

only a chump would beleive most unplanned pregnancies occured despite every precaution being taken

Half of all pregnancies in the US are unplanned. Half of all unplanned pregnancies occurred in spite of the use of birth control. Even if the birth control is supposed to be 99% effective, that means one in a hundred women every year get pregnant using that method. That adds up to a lot of unplanned pregnancies.

 

[OKgrannie]

Yeah, lower-education teachers aren't really the intellectual vanguard.

If they were they'd be in higher education.

Some people feel rewarded teaching younger students, teachers all have their preferences. Elementary school teachers teach ALL subjects, so necessarily they are not experts in all of the subjects they teach. An English teacher SHOULD know when and where to put apostrophes. A GOOD English teacher should feel a little needle when seeing "its" and "it's" confused. It's a common mistake; one hardly notices it ordinarily, but an English teacher?

 

[OKgrannie]

Public school teachers only have bachelor's degrees, and private school teachers don't even have to have that (at least in my state).
It's perfectly possible that Felicity is in fact an English teacher.
It's perfectly possible that people even less intelligent than Felicity are English teachers.
I know several teachers, and let me tell you; I mean, they're nice people, but they aren't like really smart or anything (if they were, they'd probably be making more money doing something else).
Besides... people misspell stuff all the time. Especially young people (Felicity's not actually that old). They were not taught to spell with phonics.

You're quite right, it's likely Felicity teaches in her local parochial school. Smartness doesn't correlate with making money. Almost all teachers know they could make more money doing something else, but they choose to stay in education because they get other rewards. IAC, no degree of any kind is required to know where to put apostrophes since it is taught in 3rd or 4th grade.

 

[DeeJayH]

..... :mrgreen:. *pop!*

wow, you really are head and shoulders above everybody else on teh board :roll:

Half of all pregnancies in the US are unplanned. Half of all unplanned pregnancies occurred in spite of the use of birth control. Even if the birth control is supposed to be 99% effective, that means one in a hundred women every year get pregnant using that method. That adds up to a lot of unplanned pregnancies.

BS
because most days in the month the woman can not get pregnant
keep making excuses for the irresponsible