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Your getting hysterical and insulting about facts you don't like is just degrading yourself. In doing so, you enforce one point I am making about people who want control-freak government.
Quote the law that everyone is supposed to "slow down" at every intersection with a traffic light. How slow? 5 mph? 10 mph? It is discrepancies in speed that causes far more accidents than people speeding. Speeding by itself never causes an accident and few people deliberately run a redlight. :roll:
People getting scared when they see the flashing light?
People slamming on their brakes to avoid running through the light?
in Nevada( and other states) it's illegal to run a yellow light, period... the light must be green when you enter the intersection or you are breaking the law...
But then you could just get one of these
People who choose not to follow the law are the ones who complain the most about it.
There are people who want the government watching everything they do to protect them from themselves. There are always people who hate and fear freedom, other people and even themselves. Those people essentially declare the government is their "God" and therefore "laws" are the will of their god.
I seriously doubt the American revolution was not due to colonists being outraged that the King of England wasn't regulating and policing them enough. It amazes me how many Americans now rage against personal freedom and privacy on behalf of wanting an all-seeing police state.
It is interesting to note that many of those who support traffic cameras are also those who vociferously defend their Constitutional rights... especially 2nd Amendment rights... yet are so willing and even happy to voluntarily forfeit their right to proper due process. We complain about the courts chipping away at our Constitutional rights, then we turn around and hand over some of them without a fight.
there are two kinds of criminal codes
1) stuff that is illegal because its evil. Murder, Rape, Robbery, assault, theft, and vandalism
2) stuff that is illegal just because the law says so
smoking dope, underage drinking, speeding etc.
Where would drunk driving fit under these?
close one-good question. I think it would be the first because it demonstrates a depraved indifference to the safety of others.
But speeding doesn't?
nope not in most cases. 80 through a school zone-probably
70 in a 55 on an interstate not at all
45 in a 35 at certain times of day-not at all
the stuff that constitutes depraved indifference can be charged as reckless driving.
I agree with everything you say here. That particular post of mine was just narrowly tailored to address the post I was responding to.I think there's a bigger issue than that.
Laws are supposed to be for the benefit of the people. We enact laws, and set up mechanism to enforce them, in the hopes that people will obey these laws, and by doing so, create a safer, more orderly society in which everyone's rights and everyone's legitimate interests are protected.
Here, we have a situation where laws and enforcement mechanisms are set up in the hope that people will be caught violating them, so that government can use this as an excuse to fine them. The profit is motive, not safety or order. For government to take part in this sort of practice is pure corruption.
So what if you drunk drive safely?
nope not in most cases. 80 through a school zone-probably
70 in a 55 on an interstate not at all
45 in a 35 at certain times of day-not at all
the stuff that constitutes depraved indifference can be charged as reckless driving.
Not going to play that game. The highways in this country were designed to safely handle 70 MPH traffic. Decreasing speeds are based on revenue or in the time of Ford, "fuel conservation"
The cameras being discussed are at intersections, not on the highway. As I linked to, they have been shown to be at least somewhat effective in reducing "T bone" accidents which are the ones most likely to cause injury and fatalities. They do this because people are less likely to speed up through yellow lights or push through a just turned red light. Does that influence your comments at all?
I was going on the poll. traffic enforcement cameras.
I oppose all of the cameras based on the confrontation clause. as to deterrence-people who don't worry about being in an accident are going to worry about a ticket?
that doesn't influence my positionApparently, yes, that is what the research shows.
I sometimes wonder about such laws, actually.Where would drunk driving fit under these?
Shouldn't those who claim to honor the intent of our system of due process also properly follow the law instead of seeking ways around it?
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