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Trajan Octavian Titus said:
In the history of any nationalized industry the cure has always turned out to be worse then the disease and don't give me that crap about how the French health care is a-ok because their citizenry is taxed out the *** and their economy is in the toilet. It's those unintended consequences that always seem to fuc/k up socialisms good intentions.
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As I've already said, nationalized health care would be cheaper, freeing up people's capital for other things. If anything, it would benefit our economy.
 
Kelzie said:
As I've already said, nationalized health care would be cheaper, freeing up people's capital for other things. If anything, it would benefit our economy.
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No it wouldn't because the money to pay for it doesn't come out of thin air it comes out of the pockets of the tax payers. Nothing's free the redistribution of wealth wouldn't create more wealth. What's the difference if I pay for it myself or give the money to pay for it to the government? The only difference is that I am no longer allowed to choose my own Doctor and that I now have to pay for the Doctor of the person who doesn't work and pay his taxes so rather than being cheaper it's actually more expensive.
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
No it wouldn't because the money to pay for it doesn't come out of thin air it comes out of the pockets of the tax payers. Nothing's free the redistribution of wealth wouldn't create more wealth. What's the difference if I pay for it myself or give the money to pay for it to the government? The only difference is that I am no longer allowed to choose my own Doctor and that I now have to pay for the Doctor of the person who doesn't work and pay his taxes so rather than being cheaper it's actually more expensive.
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And it's cheaper by half to pay for national health care. Doesn't matter if the gov or the private consumer pays for it. It will still cost you less. It's 6K a person now for private. National health care systems pay 3K a person.
 
Kelzie said:
And it's cheaper by half to pay for national health care. Doesn't matter if the gov or the private consumer pays for it. It will still cost you less. It's 6K a person now for private. National health care systems pay 3K a person.
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You're not getting it where does that money come from, it doesn't just fall out of the air it comes out of tax revenue that you're either going to have to pay from your income or from the products that you purchase so either way you still have to pay for it but you will then have to pay for the healthcare of people that don't pay taxes. And besides that point why would people want to become a Doctor if they aren't getting payed lots of money when they can do something alot easier and get payed alot more. I'm sorry but I don't want the same type of people cutting me open as the people that teach kindergarten.
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
You're not getting it where does that money come from, it doesn't just fall out of the air it comes out of tax revenue that you're either going to have to pay from your income or from the products that you purchase so either way you still have to pay for it but you will then have to pay for the healthcare of people that don't pay taxes. And besides that point why would people want to become a Doctor if they aren't getting payed lots of money when they can do something alot easier and get payed alot more. I'm sorry but I don't want the same type of people cutting me open as the people that teach kindergarten.
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Plenty of people become doctors in countries with national health care. It's not like they're making minimum wage.

And you can either pay 6K out of your own pocket or pay 3K in taxes. I know what I'd rather do.
 
Kelzie said:
Plenty of people become doctors in countries with national health care. It's not like they're making minimum wage.
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Ya neither do teachers but smart people become Doctors to get rich, if they can't get rich by becoming Doctors they're so smart they can do what ever the hell they want and they'll end up doing what is most lucrative ie the best and the brightest won't become doctors anymore they'll become lawyers, stockbrokers, etc etc.

And you can either pay 6K out of your own pocket or pay 3K in taxes. I know what I'd rather do.
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So what if I don't have to go to the doctor do I still have to pay 3k? That's bullshit, what if I only have to go in for a check up every now and then. As a matter of fact I like the current system of not having to pay jackshit cept for a deductable and having it covered by health insurance which is provided by private enterprise. If people don't want to pay exorbanant healthcare rates maybe they should have studied harder in highschool, made it to college, and gotten a decent fuc/king job. I don't think I should have to pay for other peoples fuc/k ups. Besides all that I actually would rather pay the 6K if I can get to choose my own Doctor and not have that decision chosen for me by big brother. I thought liberals were supposed to be pro-choice?
 
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Trajan Octavian Titus said:
Ya neither do teachers but smart people become Doctors to get rich, if they can't get rich by becoming Doctors they're so smart they can do what ever the hell they want and they'll end up doing what is most lucrative.



So what if I don't have to go to the doctor do I still have to pay 3k? That's bullshit, what if I only have to go in for a check up every now and then. As a matter of fact I like the current system of not having to pay jackshit cept for a deductable and having it covered by health insurance which is provided by private enterprise. If people don't want to pay exorbanant healthcare rates maybe they should have studied harder in highschool, made it to college, and gotten a decent fuc/king job. I don't think I should have to pay for other peoples fuc/k ups. Besides all that I actually would rather pay the 6K if I can get to choose my own Doctor and not have that decision chosen for me by big brother. I thought liberals were supposed to be pro-choice?
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Says the person who obviously doesn't pay for his own health care. :roll: Trust me, you will be paying more than 3K regardless of if you go or not for private insurance.
 
Kelzie said:
Says the person who obviously doesn't pay for his own health care. :roll: Trust me, you will be paying more than 3K regardless of if you go or not for private insurance.
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If I go for private insurance I'm still paying 3K but I get to choose my Doctor. And I wanna know where you get that 3K figure vs the 6K figure.
 
cnredd said:
It's an average day on your above average website...

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I am rather disappointed I did not find my name in that list. ;-)
It was a pretty good summation though. I will disagree one item though, aquapub may spend 14 hours "researching an issue", but it is with about the same level of reason and objectivity that a Neo-Nazi would display while debating someone from the Jewish Anti-Defamation league, which is why he is consistently ignored.
 
Kelzie said:
Here, it's on this thread somewhere.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/showthread.php?t=8858&page=8
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You can't use Canadian figures and compare them to U.S. figures our population is way higher, which means we have more people unemployed in real numbers, and Canadians taxation rate is much higher too. And if I've said it once I've said it thousand times Canadians have to wait months to recieve inadaquate treatment.
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
You can't use Canadian figures and compare them to U.S. figures our population is way higher, which means we have more people unemployed in real numbers, and Canadians taxation rate is much higher too. And if I've said it once I've said it thousand times Canadians have to wait months to recieve inadaquate treatment.
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It's per person TOT. It doesn't matter how many people. If anything, we'd get even more of a discount since we're buying in an increased number. They don't have inadaquate treatment. And they have to wait a couple weeks to get non-necessary treatment. Just like here. Don't be such a drama queen.
 
cnredd said:
It's an average day on your above average website...

A Conservative politician...could be a higher-up...might not be...doesn't matter...does "something"...could be good...could be bad...

Here's what happens...

*KidRocks starts a thread claiming that the Conservative was following orders directly from Bush himself, since he must be the blame for everything from your bananas ripening too quick to misplacing your car keys. He will attach everything in the article except the line where it says the same thing happened under the Clinton Administration 7 years ago...

*scottyz is annoyed KidRocks got to it first, but nonetheless will give his two cents...which is usually so small he expects a penny change...

*PerryLogan blames the NeoCons...then puts the pacifier back in his mouth...

*Four hours later, danarhea starts a thread with the same topic...except instead of just posting snippets of the article, he gives a delightful and totally fabricated two paragraphs trying to explain what the article says...Then you read the article and find out that it doesn't say anything near it...

*Since it was a danarhea thread started, KCConservative's alarm in his head goes off...Even if he's not near a PC...He runs to the quickest laptop, logs in, and personally attacks every Liberal who responded so far and doesn't come close to addressing the topic...

*Since KCConsevative responded, it's not too long before jfuh comes in to personally attack HIM...also doesn't come close to addressing the topic...

*This exchange goes back and forth for a few posts, making everyone else on this site wish we could just put them in a room by themselves filled with nothing but baseball bats...spiked...

*This thread dies, and we move back to KidRock's thread...

*Stinger sees the thread, then runs to newsmax and links their version of it...and then mentions how Liberal the media is...

*hipsterdufus sees the thread, then runs to mediamatters and links their version of it...and then mentions how Conservative the media is...

*Navy Pride responds to this thread after choosing "pre-written response #4" from his made up list of the same ten responses he uses everyday he keeps in a Word document...and you can take it to the bank...

*aps puts on her cheerleader outfit with the big "DNC" on the front and trashes every politician with an (R) after their name...who and why is not important...

*cnredd responds to aps by showing her that she said the exact opposite thing two weeks ago when the subject matter was a Liberal...He gets chastised for pointing this out...

*oldreliable67 chimes in and points out four books written in the 70s that said the same thing...

*Simon W. Moon sees this, and points out that the third book said "and" and not "or" on page 271...The writes something in Latin...

*Gunny responds to the thread by putting it in a miltary perspective...even if it was about Social Security or malpractice lawsuits...

*teacher draws a picture of himself attacking Paris...The text in the picture is whatever is the first thing to come to mind...whether it deals with the topic or not...

*Stace gives her opinion on it and how it relates to her impending pregnancy...

*Mixedmedia swings by and tries to put the topic in perspective by pointing to the humanity...or lack of it...portrayed...Then she soothes whomever felt offended by anything said in the thread...

*Ivan the eee mentions he's entered the debate...no one cares...

*FinnMacCool tells us what George Orwell would say about it...

*Gandhi>Bush comments on the violence of the article...even if there was none...

*Conflict responds...no one understands a thing he wrote...or why it was written...

*easy65 responds to PerryLogan's comments from two days ago denouncing his venom...by spewing venom back at him...

*Stu Ghatze agrees with everything easy65 wrote...in only 8734 words...

*galenrox sits on his Libertarian fence and points out how both sides suck...with plenty of asterisks...

*aquapub goes through 14 hours of research to disqualify everything every Liberal wrote in the thread...this post gets skimmed over and no one responds to it...

*jallman comments on the thread and cnredd makes a gay reference...jallman trumps it with a threat of sending Naughty Nurse after him...

*Naughty Nurse magically appears and tries to get cnredd to switch teams...

*Steen states her case on abortion...

*Tashah responds...everyone opens up another window and links to the dictionary website...

*ptsdkid is an slobbering idiot...This has nothing to do with anything...I just needed to point this out...

*Trajan responds by linking an article saying the author of the original article stole a quarter when he was 9...Then proclaims all will burn in hell...

*Kelzie shows up, giving more evidence to my theory that she and Trajan are human magnets, and proves him wrong from 16 different angles...

*Trajan changes the subject...

*This will continue until one of them has to go to sleep, and the thread dies...

*Until two months later when a newbie responds with "I disagree"...
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Absolute genius. Full frontal assault. This is the type of tactic used when being ambushed. Never allow the enemy to complete it. Turn your unit into the ambush and attack through.
 
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cherokee said:
You left out Billo comes along and He and Gunny get into a pi$$ing contest.
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It's more like me pi$$ing on Billo. Aint that right Billo? Billo? Oh, he's washing it off.
 
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Kelzie said:
It's per person TOT. It doesn't matter how many people. If anything, we'd get even more of a discount since we're buying in an increased number. They don't have inadaquate treatment. And they have to wait a couple weeks to get non-necessary treatment. Just like here. Don't be such a drama queen.
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Yes per person and in terms of real numbers not percentages we have more people who are unemployed and who don't pay taxes. Your comparison isn't factoring in about a thousand different variables for example higher population rates in concentrated urban areas = more disease transference and people getting sick, more cars = more car accidents, we have guns = more shootings etc etc. It's a false analogy. And they do have inadequate treatment and it's months not weeks.
 
I expect apologies from both TOT and Kelzie...

Fun thread shitcanned on its *** by two people that argue for the sake of arguing...:(

Take it outside...

This might be the first time a Mod wants to take a thread OUT of the Basement...
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
That's not true and I can prove it!
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Enter Kelzie..."BS...you can't prove anything and I have the links to prove it!"
 
tecoyah said:
*Vergiss responds to the newbie....by pointing out the thread danarhea started , asks the newb if they are indeed 8 yrs old, newbie cries and never comes back
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Much better. :mrgreen:
 
cnredd said:
I expect apologies from both TOT and Kelzie...

Fun thread shitcanned on its *** by two people that argue for the sake of arguing...:(

Take it outside...

This might be the first time a Mod wants to take a thread OUT of the Basement...
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Shut up redd nobody asked you.
 
Trajan Octavian Titus said:
Yes per person and in terms of real numbers not percentages we have more people who are unemployed and who don't pay taxes. Your comparison isn't factoring in about a thousand different variables for example higher population rates in concentrated urban areas = more disease transference and people getting sick, more cars = more car accidents, we have guns = more shootings etc etc. It's a false analogy. And they do have inadequate treatment and it's months not weeks.
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Proportionally they have the same number of cars and urban centers. You are incorrect. Shootings? I am not inclined to believe that the number of shootings is going to significantly drive up the cost of medical care in the US. And we don't have more unemployment or tax evasion, at least not a significant amount. Are you just making stuff up?
 
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