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A thread for Democrats: let's face it, there's no common ground with modern Republicans

This combination of word salad and factoids has what to do with the INDEPENDENTS and DEMOCRATS who voted for Trump?

Its was not expected that any "right leaning" or "right wing" member would comprehend or understand. As the OP said: This Op's Thread was directed to Democrats, because they do understand.

You may excuse yourself since you do not indulge what it takes to comprehend what's written.
 
Honestly, our big concern at this point should be getting enough people in the house & senate to take gerrymandering away from the Republicans. Or even better, end the electoral college. Preferably both.

End gerrymandering, keep the EC.

Mob rule is not what anyone wants.
 
End gerrymandering, keep the EC.

Mob rule is not what anyone wants.

The popular vote is no more mob rule than letting acreage decide who gets into the oval office is. And good luck ending gerrymandering without at least one or two of the conservative justices croaking.
 
EXCELLENT OP, btw.

Very well-stated, and accurate.

The problem with Democrats is that they actually care about government and want to make it work for the masses. Because they respect and believe in the role of good government, they don't want to destroy it, hence their penchant for giving more than 50% on almost every deal they make with their opposition.

Republicans despise government and want only to use it as a populist tool for plutocrats and white grievance. Some of them are secretly trying to re-do the Civil War and believe in "race wars", etc. Many of that ilk are right here on this political board.

Democrats have yet to figure out that they are fighting unarmed in a knife fight. Democrats think this is boxing, while Republicans view it as MMA. Democrats keep insisting (stupidly) that they are going to "win the right way", with their hands....meanwhile, Republicans keep sweeping the Dems' legs with kicks and pummeling their faces with elbows.

Until the Dems recognize what kind of battle their are truly in...the Republicans will keep cleaning their clocks. Unfortunately, it's going to take a new generation of Democratic leaders, because most of the Dems who lived through the Reagan era are pretty much spineless.
As a conservative, I have particularly enjoyed this thread. I think the common ground is that compromise sucks. One side or the other must win the other side needs to be defeated. If you feel you have the right answer fight for it. Earn a majority. Compromise usually results in failure.

It is comforting to me that you all find the same short coming in the old guard Democrats as I did with Republican RINOs. During the Obama years you did not have this issue. His party was in lock step with him. Trump is getting that 2 years late ; not too late by the tenor of this thread.



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Have you noticed anyone that does not fully agree with their platform is labeled a "insert whatever" here?
There is no compromise. I had no idea they wanted someone to shove things down their throats all the while disregarding all other branches of government. It's been an interesting 2 years.

It took me half a decade on here to figure out their con. I'd like to give myself the excuse of being fairly young, but I should have known better to begin with, had all the opportunities in the world to learn better.
 
Its was not expected that any "right leaning" or "right wing" member would comprehend or understand. As the OP said: This Op's Thread was directed to Democrats, because they do understand.

You may excuse yourself since you do not indulge what it takes to comprehend what's written.

I comprehend that you don't wish to talk about the fact Trump won the independent vote since that negates the tirades about Republican voters....
 
As a conservative, I have particularly enjoyed this thread. I think the common ground is that compromise sucks. One side or the other must win the other side needs to be defeated. If you feel you have the right answer fight for it. Earn a majority. Compromise usually results in failure.

Of course, that's precisely NOT what I said. But it's EXACTLY how I'd expect most conservatives to comprehend it. You strike me as one of those righties who might secretly long for the "race war" that is such a popular meme/narrative in alt-right/white nationalist circles.

Compromise doesn't necessarily result in failure. Weakness leads to failure. And BAD compromises (i.e. unfair/inequitable compromises) are a byproduct of weakness. Democrats have been offering up bad compromises for the last 40 years. Hence, the current state of racial/religious/cultural unrest; and, hence, the current state of income inequality in the country.

What I've said is that you cannot compromise with an opponent whose goal/intent is to eliminate you. The difference between the two sides is that Democrats treat Republicans as if they possess "better angels" who are worth appealing to, but they don't. From a policy agenda standpoint, they are just evil (i.e. both dishonest and harmful). Meanwhile, Republicans treat Democrats as if they are evil, when from a policy agenda standpoint, Democrats are really are guided by their "better angels". So Gop'ers come armed for bear; while Democrats come to the same table looking for a "good/fair compromise".

Compromise isn't the problem. The problem is that one party has truly been co-opted by evil. And Democrats need to recognize that, or the American Dream will be lost to people of the ilk of Donald Trump (and his angry, brainwashed followers).

It is comforting to me that you all find the same short coming in the old guard Democrats as I did with Republican RINOs. During the Obama years you did not have this issue. His party was in lock step with him. Trump is getting that 2 years late ; not too late by the tenor of this thread.

Geez...how ridiculous.

This is about as historically INACCURATE as is possible for a period in time that ended only 2.5 years ago. You must have really been deep in the fog of Anti-Obamaism back then. I'd ask you to elaborate, but I don't think you even had anything specific in mind. Just know that substantively, the above argument is pretty foolish.
 
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Okay, I'm going to get to adressing the list of alleged Democratic positions in the next paragraph, but first, I need to make a few... corrections? You aren't so much wrong as missing critical pieces of information when you draw some of your conclusions.

I don't think I was making any conclusions in my list. I did towards the end of my post but the list I posted is what Democrats are running on. Granted that not every democrat is running on everything on the list, that is a given. I was merely setting the atmosphere of the group. Every one of them raised their hands on certain issues like free medical for Illegals and decriminalization of Illegals.

You are right in the fact that you have 20 or so people running and there is only so much money to go around. But even when Sanders was kicked to the curb we didn't see all of his supporters jump on the Hillary bus either. As emotional as these elections are becoming I don't think you are going to see financial Buttigieg supporters pilling on the cash to help Biden. I guess we will have to wait and see.

The bigger point was Trump has a huge head start, the DNC is millions in the whole, while the RNC has 33 million in cash and the Liberal media has tanked over fake news. People are not on the sky is falling train anymore. They obviously are walking away. This is not my opinion, it is the actual numbers to date.

You will never sell the idea that all last years domestic murders were committed by far right extremist but the continuing activities by Antifa in regards to shutting down anything that doesn't align with the Democratic party and going unchallenged by the democratic party is going to have an affect. Dismiss what ever you want to dismiss but the fact is, voters don't like to be intimidated or terrorized and just like democrats said, if you're unwilling to stand against it you must approve of it. This is when those types of conversations come home to roost. I can promise you voters are watching.

Never ever ever going to be able to sell the Obama economy idea. Any attempt to try and sell that looks exactly what it is. Wasn't it Obama himself that stated over and over, (Whats he gonna do, wave a magic wand) Trump didn't just continue Obamas economy. His stock market hit 141 historical highs with a 48% increase that was accomplished by removing the blood sucking regulations out of small businesses. His unemployment record didn't just keep on the same path as Obama, its historical numbers date back to the 60s, 6 million new jobs and a 3.2 GDP? are you kidding me? Not to mention this happened in just under 2 years. This whole idea of this is Obamas economy has already been tried and is why none of the democratic candidates are spouting this information, If they do they will be given a history lesson during the Trump debates.

And every year, you try to spin a narrative that the left is going to try to start a civil war or that they're going to start manipulating the elections, while failing time after time to produce even a shred of evidence that either is happening. .

I would surmise there is enough going around on both sides of the equation. Both of us could post a few hundred links supporting each others side but this is my point. You have the right to believe and vote as you desire as does everyone in this country. I believe in a two party system and actually voted for Obama in his first term. So I am giving you a run down on how and why the Democratic party has lost my vote.

I will not support anything is the previous list on my post. I am of the opinion given the nature of what we have seen in Liberal media viewership, cash in hand, current status of the DNC vs RNC, the far left positions of the Dem Candidates, and the current state of this economy that people are making decision accordingly and we are seeing the affects of those decisions right now.

Since nobody died and made me omnipotent, this is my opinion of things to come based on what is happening currently. You and I are not going to see this from the same prism. The only true test will be the outcome of the election. But I can tell you with great confidence, the Democrats that live here in Charlotte, are not as secure as you are in your assessment of the outcome.

If you look at the NAACPs report on Black voters, they have Trump with more Black voters than recorded in recent history for any conservative. I think their last number was around 21% up from 8% in 2016. Personally I think Trump is a blustery ego maniac millionaire New Yorker. I would love for the Democratic party to provide my with a better option.

But right now, with the claims being made by the party, running Biden, Harris, or Sanders, it just ain't gonna happen for me. If those are my choices Trump will get my vote.

I had to cut out a lot of what you wrote so I could respond.
 
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You were never going to consider voting Democrat anyway... your denial of the economy saving works of Obama was already discredited by you in your commentary... I'd suggest that you seriously review the status of the nation in the beginning of 2008.. on "all levels' and you could not in honest support what you have proclaimed to state.
I'd say, you need to consider to talk to and research the people who were helped by ACA, and the Auto Workers who still have jobs, and contrast that against the Republican Romney proposal to let them fail. I'd also say, to read your own Republican Congressional Commentary about, allowing Foreclosures proceed and fighting against modifying the terms of million of homeowner loans. It's purely amazing how drama antics invoke "selective amnesia" in those who were eager to not only not acknowledge, but even more eager to try and discredit, deny and engage the amnesia to forget, as in principle to "ignore".
You may want to review the many small business owners who were supported to keep their doors open and the many landlords who are today thankful the foreclosure slide is over from what it was at the end of the Bush Administration. The banks that exist today, were very much supportive of the programs that helped them re-stabilize, their own problem now is they want to go back into the greed at all levels of gaming, and Dodd-Frank will not allow it because of the mandatory reserves requirement and the stress test standards.
Yet, none of that has matter to Republicans, because they've been groomed by the Plutocrats to support the wealthy further promoting their agenda of Plutocracy.

You should truly read The Preamble... which clearly outlines the values that the Constitution is to uphold, institute, administer, legislate and promotes for the people and the nation of America. Then you should consider the long history that has tried to "deny" every element laid out in the Preamble from being provisionally beneficially to "All" American People. When you grasp that, you will understand how the system not only of slavery, but indenture and repressions of women... was enacted under the premise that the only individual that was then considered as people, were "white men". The only people who held power and made decisions was "wealthy white men"... Then you might well better understand what composes the CURRENT DAY Republican ideals, and how they use the word Conservative, which basically means, "Conserve The Past"... has been promoted and the followers indoctrinated to buy into that madness and aims to usurp the premise and principles of American Democracy and The Preamble from being Respected to be Provisional in Encompassing All Americans.

That's history and details that have been bastardized with propoganda for 100's of years, and of that primarily promoted to the more economically disadvantaged because they were the greater pool of the uneducated and politically illiterate. They were groomed by Authoritarian Process, which is exactly what was the process that engaged and sustained slavery, and drove many people to back and support 100 yrs of Segregation, its the same process today, that tries to be Authoritarian over the rights of women in trying to usurp her rights to make her own decisions about her own choices within life..

There is no blog script capability of "re-educating a mass" that has been hoodwinked and contained into cultism ideals, and feed a daily brand of propaganda via the system of wide spread right wing media. Many don't even know the promotion of Right Wing Media was a Rodger Ailes construct, first presented during the Nixon Era, but was the premise and principle of Southern Media since the introduction of Media. Or the age of Television that has groomed and promoted a conceptual delusion of White Nationalism within TV Programming since the invention of the TV as Mass Media Entertainment. It had stern censorship, designed by a white nationalist agenda, not only censoring content, but ethnicity, race and gender... It has been a machine like process that has turned out clones by the 10's of millions for many decades.

You talk about what people think... but you don't engage to understand what and why they were groomed into their group think, and how the trigger words are like hypnotic suggestion, of which they follow on command. No true knowledge of why, but they can't by the suggestive influence began to think out side of that trick bag they have been cast into, because they have been trained to attack any who seek to try to think, grow, learn and change. The same as they have been groomed to attack anything and everything that speaks of the Truer Sense of American Democracy, and do so, for what is the respect of ALL the people in America.
 
Of course, that's precisely NOT what I said. But it's EXACTLY how I'd expect most conservatives to comprehend it. You strike me as one of those righties who might secretly long for the "race war" that is such a popular meme/narrative in alt-right/white nationalist circles.

Compromise doesn't necessarily result in failure. Weakness leads to failure. And BAD compromises (i.e. unfair/inequitable compromises) are a byproduct of weakness. Democrats have been offering up bad compromises for the last 40 years. Hence, the current state of racial/religious/cultural unrest; and, hence, the current state of income inequality in the country.

What I've said is that you cannot compromise with an opponent whose goal/intent is to eliminate you. The difference between the two sides is that Democrats treat Republicans as if they possess "better angels" who are worth appealing to, but they don't. From a policy agenda standpoint, they are just evil (i.e. both dishonest and harmful). Meanwhile, Republicans treat Democrats as if they are evil, when from a policy agenda standpoint, Democrats are really are guided by their "better angels". So Gop'ers come armed for bear; while Democrats come to the same table looking for a "good/fair compromise".

Compromise isn't the problem. The problem is that one party has truly been co-opted by evil. And Democrats need to recognize that, or the American Dream will be lost to people of the ilk of Donald Trump (and his angry, brainwashed followers).



Geez...how ridiculous.

This is about as historically INACCURATE as is possible for a period in time that ended only 2.5 years ago. You must have really been deep in the fog of Anti-Obamaism back then. I'd ask you to elaborate, but I don't think you even had anything specific in mind. Just know that substantively, the above argument is pretty foolish.

What other than eliminating has the Democrat party been toward Trump and by extension those who voted for him in the last 2 1/2 years?

I guess there is no commonality. I admired the Democrats abilities hold the party line during Obama and hate that there were those like McCain and now Romney who are Compromised from the get go. In your post you talked about new blood; I took that as a nick against Pelosi, Hoyer, Schumer Aka the old guard.

Why does everyone bring up race. I love conservatives; hate (or rather do not like) liberals. I could give a s#%$ what color they are. For context....I hated McCain ( long before Trump), starting to hate Romney. Traitors are different than opponents.

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As to Hillary and Sanders: you ignore more than you even are aware of, and regurgitate the script of Republican propagandized summary. Reality Escapes you on that matter as well. As to Sander's and the DNC, it was noted the delegates were choosing Hillary and Did Choose Hillary.

Sander, was an Independent 'hitching a ride" on the DNC, because his Independent org, did not have the basis to stand as an Independent in an Arena with Two Major Parties. Sander, was ego blind, and did not know how to manage his constituency to understand the platform they were riding on, he became a contention promoter against the premise of DNC Delegates and Delegates Nominee..

Thus he caused a split in the vote by such acts. The DNC was never going Far Left, it is a Moderate Platform, Not one that is Far Left, Nor Far Right. It deals with moderate transnational change, not radical change, that change proceeds to embrace the principle values laid out in The Preamble, and is to be upheld by the Congress.. Read: The Democratic Platform

(1). Democrats allowed him to hitch on to ride the DNC.... which was and is a liberal thing to do... but not to mass direct resources when delegates had already made their selection intention well known in advance. Sanders came to the Convention with a sour face, that showed no respect for the delegates choice for the Democratic Nominee... He could not let his ego go, even when the Democrat adopted interest in some of his more liberal moderate ideals, but they were never going to devote all resources to his far left factions of ideals.

(2). Democrats were not like the RNC, who "dictates who can run" with no concern for co-contenders that are not 100% Republican Groomed.
 
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Each side has their crazies and militant members who are one step away from looking for the nearest clocktower. I think it's apparent some are on this thread. I like to throw around the smack as much as anybody but I've also talked to a few liberals on here who, once we stripped away all the hyperbolic rhetoric, realized we weren't all that different from one another and we'd actually probably get along quite well in real life. If you're to the point that politics consumes your life and you start believing all the exaggerated windbaggery thrown out there about your opponent, it's time you take a break and take a hard long look at your life. Sure there are issues you can vehemently disagree with your opponent about but when you start acting like your opponent is the second coming of Stalin or Hitler, you might want to look into lithium.
 
What other than eliminating has the Democrat party been toward Trump and by extension those who voted for him in the last 2 1/2 years?

I guess there is no commonality. I admired the Democrats abilities hold the party line during Obama and hate that there were those like McCain and now Romney who are Compromised from the get go. In your post you talked about new blood; I took that as a nick against Pelosi, Hoyer, Schumer Aka the old guard.

Why does everyone bring up race. I love conservatives; hate (or rather do not like) liberals. I could give a s#%$ what color they are. For context....I hated McCain ( long before Trump), starting to hate Romney. Traitors are different than opponents.

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Geez, the way you use the word "Traitors", against your own Republicans... who don't become devout cult members with no sense of comprehension of what is diplomacy and ignore the value benefit that the nature of reasonable compromise is unto the principle of diplomacy, within every element of life.


You are exemplifying yourself as a Far Right Extremist!
and its noted. Thank you for the clarity... of your ideals.

Let me explain to you what Conservatives is about: Conserving the system of White Male Nationalism Led and Controlled by Wealthy White Males, who will fight in any way to pursue and seek to retain the Plutocratic system and the ability to rule by Authoritarian Premise, and continuance to use the poor whites as it to see them as nothing more than the "designated guard dogs" of plutocratic agenda. while keeping them unaware to attend to the attentions of learning to understand they stand against themselves as well.

More poor white Republicans and Democrats were uplifted under LBJ in the 1960's, then again under Clinton in the 1990's and more still saved from the dire abyss of pure destitution, under President Obama. If you want to doubt that, you better go back and look at the conditions of poor whites under Ronald Reagan, and then Look again at the conditions of poor whites under the Bush II Administration. Then while looking, look at the mass of "poor whites" and "poor blacks" that were killed and maimed under Bush II's wars... Then still while looking, look at the reforms that were made to the Military Health Care system under Obama...and how many service members it has helped.

That's true you will invest yourself to ignore, and choose selective amnesia, to keep you from looking at real truths.
 
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Summary of your message: You don't like Republicans. Got it. You can do that.
Yep, he delivered perfect recitation of the tripe his controllers fed him during prog indoctrinators programed him into his "brain".
 
The popular vote is no more mob rule than letting acreage decide who gets into the oval office is. And good luck ending gerrymandering without at least one or two of the conservative justices croaking.

Its all cart before the horse. Gotta decouple money from the electoral process, first.
 
Honestly, our big concern at this point should be getting enough people in the house & senate to take gerrymandering away from the Republicans. Or even better, end the electoral college. Preferably both.

The fact that repubs are against both of these show how they have no desire to represent people and want to carve up the United States so that they only have to appeal to the same fewer and fewer people while holding their jobs.
 
The fact that repubs are against both of these show how they have no desire to represent people and want to carve up the United States so that they only have to appeal to the same fewer and fewer people while holding their jobs.

To be fair, they've been pushing themselves further into a corner for about two generations now, and even Georgia is looking like a potential swing state this election. What else CAN they do but disenfranchise the majority of Americans?
 
To be fair, they've been pushing themselves further into a corner for about two generations now, and even Georgia is looking like a potential swing state this election. What else CAN they do but disenfranchise the majority of Americans?

In Georgia they will cut back polling places in the black towns and communities and they will do a felony sweep before the election. You heard it here first.
 
This vile screed above parallels the sentiment of a speech given by someone many years ago. To illustrate, just replace a few words from the original content. The brackets identify those words that have been replaced from their originals.


"For us, this is not a problem you can turn a blind eye to-one to be solved by small concessions. For us, it is a problem of whether our nation can ever recover its health, whether the [Republican] spirit can ever really be eradicated. Don't be misled into thinking you can fight a disease without killing the carrier, without destroying the bacillus. Don't think you can fight racial tuberculosis without taking care to rid the nation of the carrier of that racial tuberculosis. This [Republican] contamination will not subside, this poisoning of the nation will not end, until the carrier himself, the [Republican], has been banished from our midst. (Applause)

Speech delivered by Adolph Hitler in Salzburg, 7 or 8 August 1920. (NSDAP meeting)​


BTW, the words replaced by "Republican"? Jew, or Jewish.

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In Georgia they will cut back polling places in the black towns and communities and they will do a felony sweep before the election. You heard it here first.

Hmmm. Why is it that in the last election record number of Blacks voted in Georgia . So your assumptions do not pan out. Do you assume that every Black voter is going to vote for the Black candidate? Do you assume that every Black voter is going to vote Democrat?
 
Hmmm. Why is it that in the last election record number of Blacks voted in Georgia .

Because they had no fear last election. This next one they do. So your assumptions are premature.

So your assumptions do not pan out. Do you assume that every Black voter is going to vote for the Black candidate?

Nope. But I do assume that black voters in Georgia will go 90% plus for the dem as they tend to do.

Do you assume that every Black voter is going to vote Democrat?

90% plus. Which is the cons will do exactly what I said. In 2016... 89%. You need to deal with reality instead of dancing around it.

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Hey, you were quoted by Reality Now at post #84, right below you. Doesn't look like he quoted you in a way that would notify you.

I'd put my own two cents in, but honestly, he did a far better job on his own than I could.

Thanks Jesse, I will respond to it.
 
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