A solution to illegal immigration

[ataraxia]

What does this have to do with the Millions of ILLEGAL INVADERS of today?

Same as the millions of illegal invaders of yesteryear:

"We should build a wall of brass around the country."
- John Jay, first chief justice of Supreme always Court, regarding “Catholic alien invaders"

 

[Luther]

What law were all those other immigrants following? None. They would just show up.

Again...

What does this have to do with our modern Millions upon millions of illegal invaders of our country?

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

1. Cut off visas to problem countries. Illegal alien testicle lickers love to tell us that properly walls/barriers are ineffective (even though they are effective around prisons, the capital building and other places) and that most illegal immigrants come through legally on visas and overstay those visas. Set up a return quota based on the number of visas we issue to citizens of countries verses how many of those citizens return back to those countries. So if hypothetically we issue 1000 visas to a country and only two hundred of those citizens return back to their country then the next year we issue only two hundred visas and the following years that number can increase or decrease based on how many return back to their countries. The idea that we keep issuing visas to citizens of countries when most of their citizens don't return home is idiotic.


2. If you get caught hiring illegal alien then we throw you in jail, seize your assets just like if you were a drug dealer or some other criminal who profited from illegal activities.And revoke your business permits/licensees. Unless they can prove that they used E-verify and other means to show that they did their part to try verify that the person they hired was legal. Fines aren't working. And why would they work when someone is literally saving money by hiring people for substandard wages.

3. Make it so no one can benifit by being in the country illegally. In order to get any ID or driver's license you present a birth certificate, green card, or certificate of naturalization and social security card.After that require a state issued ID or driver's license in order to the following-
-enroll yourself into school
-enroll your minor kids into school
-apply for welfare,food stamps,section 8 housing and any other tax payer assistance for yourself and or your children
-get a business license,fishing/hunting permit,building permit, license to practice law, food handlers permit, gun license(in states that require a permit to buy a gun),concealed carry permit(in states that require a license to conceal carry) or any other tax payer funded service
-open a bank account, cash a check, use a credit/debit/pre-paid card, apply for a loan,or wire money.
-rent,borrow,lease or buy property
-rent,borrow,lease or buy a motor vehicle.
-get legal documents for yourself or your children.
-get utilities

4.Repeal part of the immigration and nationality act of 1965 that allows for the chain migration of relatives other than spouse or minor children.This would virtually eliminate anchor babies. Yeah I know Trump's wife used it to get her parents in, I don't care.

Sounds like a police state solution, but fair enough, I asked for solutions, though I did emphasize REAL solutions, maybe I should have added "ones that have enough appeal to both sides". I know that would be asking too much.

 

[Luther]

Same as the millions of illegal invaders of yesteryear:

"We should build a wall of brass around the country."
- John Jay, first chief justice of Supreme always Court, regarding “Catholic alien invaders"

 

[ataraxia]

Again...

What does this have to do with our modern Millions upon millions of illegal invaders of our country?

That they have always been there. They are your ancestors and mine, and they are the ones who built this country.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Again...

What does this have to do with our modern Millions upon millions of illegal invaders of our country?

HELLO?
anyone have a REAL solution?

ANYONE?

 

[Luther]

Same as the millions of illegal invaders of yesteryear:

Wrong

"We should build a wall of brass around the country."
- John Jay, first chief justice of Supreme always Court, regarding “Catholic alien invaders

And was there a "Wall of Brass" built because of What John Jay said?(LOL)

 

[Court Jester]

The Soviet Union used to protect 4,000 miles of border, and they never put a man on the moon.

 

[Luther]

HELLO?
anyone have a REAL solution?

ANYONE?

You would just poo poo it

 

[ttwtt78640]

I have heard of this "solution" before, but everyone does it, especially the rich and powerful, even Trump hired illegals. Would the solution then be to jail everyone who hires an illegal?

Nope, see post #21.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Dude, evidently you haven't read my thousands of post on this Forum and other forums(wink)

I asked for solutions on THIS THREAD.
Instead I got this:
illegal immigration is bad
I am a Canadian so I can't ask a question or make a comment
you state you have studied the problem but only moan about it

again, waiting for a REAL solution?

ANYONE?

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Nope, see post #21.

At least you proposed a solution, at least one other contributor on here has just been crying about illegal immigration, where as in my OP I asked for solutions, so at least you HAVE offered one.

 

[Luther]

That they have always been there. They are your ancestors and mine, and they are the ones who built this country.

What?

Illegal immigrants?

You crazy or something?(LOL)

 

[Luther]

At least you proposed a solution, at least one other contributor on here has just been crying about illegal immigration, where as in my OP I asked for solutions, so at least you HAVE offered one.

Are you going to be an activist if we tell you our solutions?

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

We "get" that illegal immigration is a big scary monster for many Americans, probably the same ones who enjoy having their toilets cleaned and their fruits picked.

We also "get" that there are legitimate refugees and those just wanting a better life so are prone to fake it.

BUT, what most Americans don't "get" is this border issue is actually a bipartisan failure.

Presidents from both parties, stymied by partisan politics from the opposition, have failed to come up with a Comprehensive Immigration bill that will suit both sides.

Trump wanted to put a bandage on the problem, Biden doesn't know what he wants to do, Obama (surprise surprise) became known as Deporter In Chief, and every president in my lifetime has failed to fix the problem.

Now for all of YOU out there that keep crying about open borders and that the WALL was the solution (how easy they have been proven to climb over), how about instead of crying, suggesting REAL solutions.

Not Trump was good, Biden is bad, or Biden is good, Trump is Bad, or it is all Republicans fault or all Democrats fault. Instead of slagging, anyone have a REAL solution?

ANYONE?

Somehow....I dont think you're my authority on what Americans do or do not "get" my friend.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Somehow....I dont think you're my authority on what Americans do or do not "get" my friend.

how about instead of crying, suggesting REAL solutions.

and here I expected better. I should have learned by now.

SHEESH!!

 

[ttwtt78640]

At least you proposed a solution, at least one other contributor on here has just been crying about illegal immigration, where as in my OP I asked for solutions, so at least you HAVE offered one.

Since the primary draw for illegal immigration is improved employment opportunity, it would make sense to make it very unprofitable for US employers (aka job creators) to use “undocumented” labor.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Are you going to be an activist if we tell you our solutions?

what if I don't rebut and just let you have your say, will THAT work for you?
besides - I don't need to rebut, usually a person's words speaks for themselves.
so go for it, I will not rebut.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Since the primary draw for illegal immigration is improved employment opportunity, it would make sense to make it very unprofitable for US employers (aka job creators) to use “undocumented” labor.

like I said, unlike the whiners on here who have not offered a solution but only attacked the OP, you HAVE offered a solution.
while in essence I see your solution as an attractive one, I still don't understand how that would help the fruit picking industry, because they would then have to pay Americans and legal immigrants to do the job, and not sure if there are enough of them, or if they would need to be paid more.
some countries have guest workers do the job, people who must return home after the picking season, could something like that work?

 

[911Sparky]

Yep, the relatively easy solution would be to require eVerify coupled with a change to the federal income tax code. Employers (aka job creators) must supply IRS a per employee (W-2 and/or 1099) direct labor cost (deduction) breakdown including that employee’s name, address and SSN/ITIN. IRS would then use the eVerify database to prevent the employer from deducting any “undocumented” direct labor costs.

Employers should be forced to use E-verify before hiring. Since E-verify is voluntary, most employers just don't bother. Making it mandatory along with an escalating system of fines would go a long way toward stopping illegal hiring, but industry likes the cheap labor. Seems industries with strong lobbies are the worst violators, hotels, meat packing, construction, farming, etc. As long as politicians pay lip service to illegal immigration, no solution will work.

 

[rickc]

Since the primary draw for illegal immigration is improved employment opportunity, it would make sense to make it very unprofitable for US employers (aka job creators) to use “undocumented” labor.

And why hasn't our government pursued that path?

Makes me believe that those who are really in power want that cheap illegal labor here!

 

[jamesrage]

Sounds like a police state solution, but fair enough, I asked for solutions, though I did emphasize REAL solutions,

There is nothing police state about my solutions. Requiring employers to verify that the people they hire aren't here illegally isn't police state. Adaquately punishing those who hire illegals isn't police state. Making sure that those who are here illegally are not receiving any benefits from being here illegally is not police state. Cutting off visas to countries we have the most visa overstays is not police state, its common sense.

maybe I should have added "ones that have enough appeal to both sides". I know that would be asking too much.

What do you mean by both sides? The side that wants illegal immigration and the side that doesn't want illegal immigration? I don't care about the side that wants illegal immigration. The side that wants illegal immigrants wants amnesty and benefits for illegal aliens. A compromise is only good if both sides uphold their end of the deal and we know illegal alien testicle lickers will not uphold their end of the deal. So anything with amnesty/legal status for illegals is a non-starter.

 

[MamboDervish]

Not Trump was good, Biden is bad, or Biden is good, Trump is Bad, or it is all Republicans fault or all Democrats fault. Instead of slagging, anyone have a REAL solution?

ANYONE?

Firstly, the idea of a REAL solution to any issue which is an ever moving target can never be permanent. All political solutions require periodic tweaking. With that in mind, both houses of Congress actually DID have bipartisan approved immigration reform as recently as 2018 during Trump's administration. As I recall, it was vetoed.

 

[ttwtt78640]

like I said, unlike the whiners on here who have not offered a solution but only attacked the OP, you HAVE offered a solution.
while in essence I see your solution as an attractive one, I still don't understand how that would help the fruit picking industry, because they would then have to pay Americans and legal immigrants to do the job, and not sure if there are enough of them, or if they would need to be paid more.
some countries have guest workers do the job, people who must return home after the picking season, could something like that work?

So called ‘guest workers’ (who are legal) have been documented, thus their direct labor costs would remain 100% tax deductible (business) expenses. Assuming a 25% taxation rate, an employer would have to be able to get “undocumented” workers to accept (at least) 75% less pay than other workers to make using them remain profitable.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

So called ‘guest workers’ (who are legal) have been documented, thus their direct labor costs would remain 100% tax deductible (business) expenses. Assuming a 25% taxation rate, an employer would have to be able to get “undocumented” workers to accept (at least) 75% less pay than other workers to make using them remain profitable.

so next to slave labor, sighs.
HOWEVER, no doubt the money they make in the US would get them a lot further in their home countries, as long as the employers don't also make these workers also pay for their own food and accommodations - we don't need to revisit the situation in Grapes of Wrath.