In line with the foolishness you describe, a few years ago one of the US baseball teams was playing in Montreal. A US batter hit a fly ball that collided with a bird flying by. The batter was safe, but the bird was out (for good).Repubteen said:I want to ask a question to the Democrats. Think of it like this. If someone killed a Baby Bald Eagle or any endagered animal for that matter. He/ She would be locked up for a long time. But the Defendant would ask why is my client being locked up. Because he killed an endagered species. Well correct me if I'm wrong but isn't every child is endagered because, there will never be another like it.It's time for the Democrats to start caring more about the lives of humans and less about the animals.
Repubteen said:Yes, I do admire him. I think he was a great president. He was a much better president than Clinton
Fantasea said:Ask Urethra for a confession. Any Brit would be too proud to deny it; most other Europeans wish they were Brits.
There are two things, more than any others, that contribute to the ills of most third world countries.Naughty Nurse said:How will reforming governments bring rain to countries that suffer long-term drought? How will reforming governments suddenly produce resources for countries that have none?
We do need to empower other countries to become independent, but independece is not an option when you are starving to death. We need to solve that one first.
Sandy said:Oh dear! This may bring on the rocks! I am unqualifiedly against the Government having any authority over the individual in America in any way. I, myself would never consider an abortion but that is my choice. I would give all women the same choice.
I lived during those years where abortions were illegal and they were performed anyway. However in those days it was a state issue and the federal government had no authority until those stupid women came up with Roe v Wade.
We were in the beginning of getting petitions to our Governor to have abortions be permitted legally in California when Roe v Wade took it out of our hands and gave it to the Federal Government. However our Governor was the first one to sign the law in California and most of us went to Sacramento and cheered Governor Reagan for his courage to be first.
You see, I knew Reagan when he was pro-choice and had respect for the women of California. Legislation like this becomes a killing field of legal actions and is no better than the illegal slaughter that we had before.
We tried on 3 separate occasions to stop the financing of the abortions and we went to Washington and presented the House of Representatives to stop wasting our money on this kind of thing. Congressman Sensenbrenner promised to see to it and the House simply put the cost in a different part of the budget. It turns out that the most active abortion clinic is right there in D.C.
But we have a new way to stop the abortions and had the over the counter morning after pill been available 700,000 abortions would have not been performed in 2004.
anomaly said:With only a 50% turnout as presidential elections, and a two party electorate, we hardly exert any authority over this country anymore.
And if the people ruled through the power of their vote that abortion should be illegal with a few exceptions, would you still feel that way?anomaly said:If only America was ruled by 'the people, for the people' still.)
Frankly, and I know some may think this is 'wrong' or whatever, but I really don't care whether abortion is legal or illegal. I believe a woman has the right to choose, so I prefer it to be legal, but really, if it is deemed 'illegal' by the mighty court (or the american people), I wouldn't care or be 'outraged' in the least. The whole issue's just silly, as both sides are quite foolish with their arguments. But, as long as the supreme court has more power than the American people, Roe v. Wade will stand. Also, in any vote that you're talking about, I do hope people will see the effect making abortion illegal will have, backalley abortions will become common once again.Batman said:The Committee for the Study of the American Electorate reported that more than 122 million people voted in the November election, a number that translates into the highest turnout -- 60.7 percent -- since 1968.
And if the people ruled through the power of their vote that abortion should be illegal with a few exceptions, would you still feel that way?
MeChMAN said:First I know that Sandy is no longer a part of this forum but I would still like to comment about her views on government. She says that she is against government, so dosen't that mean she is against her self? Aren't the people the "goverment"?
We need more Government and less Congress! The more the government stops voting and making decisions the more Congress steps in and makes decisions for the Government. Am I right?
Fantasea said:One is an almost total lack of education..
Fantasea said:The other is corrupt governments that divert, for their own benefit, foreign aid intended to relieve the suffering of their subjects.
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I think I need to understand what it is your trying to say better. Maybe I'm just tried, it's been a long day. I'm not sure I comprehend all of what you're stating. Could you clarify it some? Esp. the part about needing more government and less congress. I've always kind of found the more government we get the more screwed up we get. Or at times just the more screwed we get.
Fantasea said:There are two things, more than any others, that contribute to the ills of most third world countries.
One is an almost total lack of education.
Fantasea said:The other is corrupt governments that divert, for their own benefit, foreign aid intended to relieve the suffering of their subjects.
Fantasea said:Fixing these two 'defects' would significantly reduce the dimensions of the problem.
LiberalFINGER said:Pac,
He meant that in a perfect America, the people ARE the government and that more people need to get off their arses. Hence, more government (citizen involvement) and less congress (elected official involvement.)
A little more clear?
I will leave you to your Government plans for your future.
What the people will see is this. Given the medical advances since Roe v. Wade, there will be few deaths as a result of 'back alley' abortions. On the positive side, each year, well over a million children, who now die, will live.anomaly said:I do hope people will see the effect making abortion illegal will have, backalley abortions will become common once again.
The child, after it is born, is still dependent upon the woman for nourishment for quite a few years.ShamMol said:Yes-The constitution garuntees the woman the right to control her body, and until it leaves the womb, the fetus is connected to the woman, and dependent on her for nourishment, otherwise it would die. While it is in her body, the woman has the power under the constitution to control it.
Whether or not I believe is not at issue, what is at issue is what is to be allowed.
Fantasea said:The child, after it is born, is still dependent upon the woman for nourishment for quite a few years.
By your logic, shouldn't she have the power to control 'it', as you call the child, for a few years?
Fantasea said:The child, after it is born, is still dependent upon the woman for nourishment for quite a few years.
It would seem that the pendulum may have begun to swing in the opposite direction.Urethra Franklin said:Read previous posts. This has already been discussed. People are talking biologically and you know it. I'm dependant on my job for a salary to live. Doesn't mean my boss has the right to control me. I agree with ShamMol's terminology. A foetus is an 'it.' A baby would be referred to as 'he' or 'she' according to what you find between its legs. English really isn't your strong point is it?
My, my, how politically correct can one get?Naughty Nurse said:Originally Posted by Fantasea
The child, after it is born, is still dependent upon the woman for nourishment for quite a few years.
Fantasea, that's an incredibly sexist statement, if ever there was one!
Freedom69 said:YES what I find really iroic is most pro-lifer are only pro-life up untill birth but not after no free health care! no free child care !
We are the richest nation on EARTH and thats a shame
However I would like to find ways to LIMIT Abortion as much as possiable
POWER OF CHOICH
freedom69
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