A simple Yes or No with a short explanation.

[Naughty Nurse]

Cancer has never been known to respond to band-aids. Terrorists do not respond to hugs and kisses. However, when the disease has been cured, treatment is no longer needed and will cease.

Therefore, in times of exceptional needs, exceptional measures are always taken. For many years, the government of the UK has been accused of treating the IRA terrorists much the same as the IRA terrorists have been treating the government of the UK. I see no reason why foreign terrorists should not enjoy the same attention as domestic terrorists.

Same thing in the US.

But I'm not worried about the terrorists. I'm concerned about the innocent people who are being locked away for weeks/months/years with no evidence against them and no chance of a proper trial. Hell, they don't even have to be told why they're being locked away.

Our democracy is slowly being taken away, which is exactly what the terrorists want. Wake up!

 

[Fantasea]

I believe that abortion, yea or nay is totally up to the woman who is pregnant. She is the one that must decide what is in her own best interest. She is the one that must weigh each side and then conclude what's best for her.

It certainly is NOT the decision of others.

IMHO, all other reasons are moot.

This is the same logic employed by many folks prior to the Civil War.

The line usually went, "While I would never choose to own slaves, I would never question the right of others to choose to own slaves."

Was it any worse to own a slave then, than it is now to kill a child in the womb whose only fault is showing up at an inopportune time?

 

[26 X World Champs]

Innocent and defenseless, maybe, but once again it is the right of those who live in America to be able to make that choice. Its a matter of being able to have control over yourself without the government telling you what you have to do

Whenever I get deeper into this type of discussion re Abortion I make the same suggestion:

Why not try to get the US abortion law changed thru a Constitutional amendment? That would allow for 7 years of public debate. This is not a religious issue, it is purely a legal question. Let's settle the legalities once and for all?

The odd thing is that it seems to be extremely rare for an anti-choice person to accept this suggestion? Why not work within the system to get a law change that you object to? :argue

 

[Fantasea]

But I'm not worried about the terrorists. I'm concerned about the innocent people who are being locked away for weeks/months/years with no evidence against them and no chance of a proper trial. Hell, they don't even have to be told why they're being locked away.

Our democracy is slowly being taken away, which is exactly what the terrorists want. Wake up!

You are free to be as concerned as you wish. However, those who attract the attention of the law enforcement agencies so so for a reason.

Holding them until, to use a UK expression, things are sorted out, is the safe and reasonable approach. Better safe than sorry.

As the French say, "C'est la guerre."

 

[Naughty Nurse]

You are free to be as concerned as you wish. However, those who attract the attention of the law enforcement agencies so so for a reason.

Yeah, often because they're Arabs, Muslims, or just plain not white.

 

[Fantasea]

Whenever I get deeper into this type of discussion re Abortion I make the same suggestion:

Why not try to get the US abortion law changed thru a Constitutional amendment? That would allow for 7 years of public debate. This is not a religious issue, it is purely a legal question. Let's settle the legalities once and for all?

The odd thing is that it seems to be extremely rare for an anti-choice person to accept this suggestion? Why not work within the system to get a law change that you object to? :argue

At the current rate, that means about ten million additional dead children.

Have a look at one state's view on the subject.

Missouri Revised Statutes
Chapter 1
Laws in Force and Construction of Statutes
Section 1.205

August 28, 2004​

Life begins at conception--unborn child, defined--failure to provide prenatal care, no cause of action for.
1.205. 1. The general assembly of this state finds that:

(1) The life of each human being begins at conception;

(2) Unborn children have protectable interests in life, health, and well-being;

(3) The natural parents of unborn children have protectable interests in the life, health, and well-being of their unborn child.

2. Effective January 1, 1988, the laws of this state shall be interpreted and construed to acknowledge on behalf of the unborn child at every stage of development, all the rights, privileges, and immunities available to other persons, citizens, and residents of this state, subject only to the Constitution of the United States, and decisional interpretations thereof by the United States Supreme Court and specific provisions to the contrary in the statutes and constitution of this state.

3. As used in this section, the term "unborn children" or "unborn child" shall include all unborn child or children or the offspring of human beings from the moment of conception until birth at every stage of biological development.

4. Nothing in this section shall be interpreted as creating a cause of action against a woman for indirectly harming her unborn child by failing to properly care for herself or by failing to follow any particular program of prenatal care.

 

[Fantasea]

Originally Posted by Fantasea
You are free to be as concerned as you wish. However, those who attract the attention of the law enforcement agencies so so for a reason.

Yeah, often because they're Arabs, Muslims, or just plain not white.

That goes hand in hand with something I read the other day that ran along the lines of, "All Muslims are not terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.

 

[26 X World Champs]

This is the same logic employed by many folks prior to the Civil War.

The line usually went, "While I would never choose to own slaves, I would never question the right of others to choose to own slaves."

Was it any worse to own a slave then, than it is now to kill a child in the womb whose only fault is showing up at an inopportune time?

With all due respect, I cannot understand your analogy at all? Slavery is the same thing as an unborn fetus? Even President Bush is Pro-Choice. He understands that while he is personally anti-abortion that there is almost no chance to make abortion illegal. The majority of Americans are Pro-Choice. Here are 9 more reasons to keep abortion legal:

1. Laws against abortion kill women.

To prohibit abortions does not stop them. When women feel it is absolutely necessary, they will choose to have abortions, even in secret, without medical care, in dangerous circumstances. In the two decades before abortion was legal in the U.S., it's been estimated that nearly a million women per year sought out illegal abortions. Thousands died. Tens of thousands were mutilated. All were forced to behave as if they were criminals.

2. Legal abortions protect women's health.

Legal abortion not only protects women's lives, it also protects their health. For tens of thousands of women with heart disease, kidney disease, severe hypertension, sickle-cell anemia and severe diabetes, and other illnesses that can be life-threatening, the availability of legal abortion has helped avert serious medical complications that could have resulted from childbirth. Before legal abortion, such women's choices were limited to dangerous illegal abortion or dangerous childbirth.

3. A woman is more than a fetus.

Some people argue these days that a fetus is a "person" that is "indistinguishable from the rest of us" and that it deserves rights equal to women's. On this question there is a tremendous spectrum of religious, philosophical, scientific, and medical opinion. It's been argued for centuries. Fortunately, our society has recognized that each woman must be able to make this decision, based on her own conscience. To impose a law defining a fetus as a "person," granting it rights equal to or superior to a woman's — a thinking, feeling, conscious human being — is arrogant and absurd. It only serves to diminish women.

4. Being a mother is just one option for women.

Many hard battles have been fought to win political and economic equality for women. These gains will not be worth much if reproductive choice is denied. To be able to choose a safe, legal abortion makes many other options possible. Otherwise an accident or a rape can end a woman's economic and personal freedom.

5. Outlawing abortion is discriminatory.

Anti-abortion laws discriminate against low-income women, who are driven to dangerous self-induced or back-alley abortions. That is all they can afford. But the rich can travel wherever necessary to obtain a safe abortion.

6. Compulsory pregnancy laws are incompatible with a free society.

If there is any matter that is personal and private, then pregnancy is it. There can be no more extreme invasion of privacy than requiring a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term. If government is permitted to compel a woman to bear a child, where will government stop? The concept is morally repugnant. It violates traditional American ideas of individual rights and freedoms.

7. Outlaw abortion, and more children will bear children.

Forty percent of 14-year-old girls will become pregnant before they turn 20. This could happen to your daughter or someone else close to you. Here are the critical questions: Should the penalty for lack of knowledge or even for a moment's carelessness be enforced pregnancy and childrearing? Or dangerous illegal abortion? Should we consign a teenager to a life sentence of joblessness, hopelessness, and dependency?

8. "Every child a wanted child."

If women are forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term, the result is unwanted children. Everyone knows they are among society's most tragic cases, often uncared-for, unloved, brutalized, and abandoned. When they grow up, these children are often seriously disadvantaged, and sometimes inclined toward brutal behavior to others. This is not good for children, for families, or for the country. Children need love and families who want and will care for them.

9. Choice is good for families.

Even when precautions are taken, accidents can and do happen. For some families, this is not a problem. But for others, such an event can be catastrophic. An unintended pregnancy can increase tensions, disrupt stability, and push people below the line of economic survival. Family planning is the answer. All options must be open.

Source: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/pp2/portal/files/portal/medicalinfo/abortion/pub-abortion-legal.xml

 

[Repubteen]

Yankees SUCK!

GO SOX!

future: 2005 World Champs

 

[26 X World Champs]

Yankees SUCK!

GO SOX!

future: 2005 World Champs

I'm looking forward to the season, just 4 weeks from tonight!

The Yankees don't suck, nor do the Red Sox. Both teams are excellent. If the Yankees really did suck wouldn't it be less fun?

 

[Schweddy]

With all due respect, I cannot understand your analogy at all? Slavery is the same thing as an unborn fetus? Even President Bush is Pro-Choice. He understands that while he is personally anti-abortion that there is almost no chance to make abortion illegal. The majority of Americans are Pro-Choice. Here are 9 more reasons to keep abortion legal:

The reason you do not understand it, is because you choose not to understand it. It is very simple. The fetus does not have a choice and slaves did not have a choice either. Maybe someday there will be another civil rights act, but this time for the unborn children.

I fail to see how any of these 'reasons' are adequate.

1. Laws against abortion kill women.

Only thousands died? What about the 50 million dead babies? How can this compare?

2. Legal abortions protect women's health.

This is extremely rare.

3. A woman is more than a fetus.

That 'fetus' is a person. Shame on anyone whom does not acknowledge that fact. Looking at the world through rose colored glasses does not change the actual fact.

4. Being a mother is just one option for women.

Correct. If the woman were to choose safe sex and be protected then they would not have to make a choice - would they?

5. Outlawing abortion is discriminatory.

By allowing abortion, it is discriminatory for the unborn child. See slavery comparison that didn't seem clear.

6. Compulsory pregnancy laws are incompatible with a free society.

? I just do not understand this statement. Murder is acceptable?

7. Outlaw abortion, and more children will bear children.

Adoption is a perfectly reasonable option.

8. "Every child a wanted child."

Damn right. As every child should be.

9. Choice is good for families.

Negative. There is not thing 'good' about abortions. Did you know that abortions have been linked with MS? If a woman makes the choice to murder their child the next child could have severe issues that could affect them their entire life.

This could be compared to the holocaust as well.

 

[Asherz]

Only in cases such as rape or in the instance that a child is going to be born with severe abnormalities that will affect his/her ability to function properly and live a normal day to day to life or if it presents a life threatening danger the mother-to-be.

 

[Fantasea]

With all due respect, I cannot understand your analogy at all? Slavery is the same thing as an unborn fetus? Even President Bush is Pro-Choice. He understands that while he is personally anti-abortion that there is almost no chance to make abortion illegal. The majority of Americans are Pro-Choice. Here are 9 more reasons to keep abortion legal:

Source: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/pp2/portal/files/portal/medicalinfo/abortion/pub-abortion-legal.xml

Slavery took a person's liberty. Abortion takes a person's life. They are analogous in that both do irreparable harm to a human being.

Some on your side of the fence differ with you on the President's views on abortion

Source: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-04-20-abortion-rally_x.htm

Planned Parenthood? What else would one expect the world's largest provider of abortion services to have to say about its cash cow?

However, in 1969, Planned Parenthood preached a diametrically different story of what was going on in the womb.

When Planned Parenthood went on its crusade for legalized abortions for victims of rape and incest, and to save the life of a mother in danger of death in childbirth, they found that ignorant folk would object if they thought a baby was going to be killed. So they simply substituted the euphenistism 'fetus' for the word 'baby' fooled them.

Following are some excerpts from the book, approved by Planned Parenthood and SIECUS four years before the legalization of abortion:

"... at least one [sperm] will reach the egg, fertilize it, and conception will take place. A new life will begin." (page 15)

"... the egg which, if fertilized, gives rise to a new life." (page 3)

"From fertilization to delivery, mother and child are as one for approximately 266 days. At the end of the period the mother delivers the infant into the world ..." (page 3)

"It is the female who carries the baby during the nine months of its prenatal life." (page 17)

"However small it may be, the egg is about two thousand times as large as the sperm that must fertilize it. ...it carries the food the growing embryo will use during the first few days of its life." (page 26)

"... to grow within the mother." (page 32)

"The inherited characteristics of the baby to be born ... are determined by material within the egg and sperm ... each mature egg contains genetic material carrying the inheritable characteristics of the mother ... the child receives inherited characteristics from both parents." (page 50)

"The placenta ... transfers nourishment from the mother ...." (page 53)

"... ectopic pregnanc[ies] ... are dangerous to the mother and provide no possibility of a live child." (page 53)

"The growth of the baby within the uterus takes nine calendar months." (page 57)

"The sex ... could also be determined by examining under a microscope cells which are present in the amniotic fluid ... however, the doctor would have to puncture the amniotic cavity. This procedure is not undertaken except under very unusual circumstances having to do with the baby's health. So until the baby is delivered, no one knows whether it is a boy or a girl." (page 61)

"... the bloodstreams of mother and fetus ... never touch, and the blood in each remains separate. Oxygen and nutrients pass through the placenta, from the bloodstream of the mother to the fetus, and waste products from the fetus pass in the reverse direction into the bloodstream of the mother." (page 64) [i.e., the fetus is not part of the mother's body]

"... a doctor examining the mother can hear the fetal heartbeat ... The mother can feel the movement ... its arms and legs ..." (page 65)

"... the doctor may perform an operation called a cesarean section and remove the baby ..." (page 68

".. its head is well down in the pelvic area of the mother -- the ideal position for it when the birth process begins." (page 68

"The new life that has been growing within the mother for approximately nine months is now ready to enter the world. The passage of the baby through the birth canal is called delivery, and the process by which this is accomplished by the mother is called labor... Occasionally, a baby is born before thirty-eight weeks ... and the baby's chance of survival depends upon its weight and state of development at birth. When it is time for delivery, the mother begins to experience uterine contractions.... felt by the mother in her back ..." (page 72)

 

[Naughty Nurse]

That goes hand in hand with something I read the other day that ran along the lines of, "All Muslims are not terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.

And that is a really stupid statement.

 

[Urethra Franklin]

When Planned Parenthood went on its crusade for legalized abortions for victims of rape and incest, and to save the life of a mother in danger of death in childbirth, they found that ignorant folk would object if they thought a baby was going to be killed. So they simply substituted the euphenistism 'fetus' for the word 'baby' fooled them.

No fant, it was originally called a foetus because thats what it is. You people substituted the word "baby" for "foetus" bacuase you wanted to dramatise and emotionalise the issue for "ignorant" folk as you so patronisingly call them.

You post contains 16 quotes, and very little little of your own argument, other than incorrect statements. Now just who are the "ignorant folk" fant? Were you looking in the mirror when you wrote that?

 

[Naughty Nurse]

And all of those quotes prove what, exactly, Fantasea?

 

[Mixed View]

Without adding qualifiers, should abortion be allowed? Why?

no!

if you say yes then you deserve to have your brain sucked out right now, because that is what you support. Abortion is murder! Do you support murder? No you don't. So why is abortion legal? Do you think God would support abortion?

 

[Naughty Nurse]

no!

if you say yes then you deserve to have your brain sucked out right now, because that is what you support. Abortion is murder! Do you support murder? No you don't. So why is abortion legal? Do you think God would support abortion?

Does god exist? Can you prove it?

 

[Batman]

Does god exist? Can you prove it?

Can you prove He doesn't?

 

[Naughty Nurse]

Can you prove He doesn't?

No more than I can prove that Peter Pan doesn't exist, or Snow White, or even Batman!

 

[Charmedlife]

no!

if you say yes then you deserve to have your brain sucked out right now, because that is what you support. Abortion is murder! Do you support murder? No you don't. So why is abortion legal? Do you think God would support abortion?

To say what God would and would not support is illogical even if u were referring to the Bible because first of all- u don't know what God thinks, and second of all, times have changed and if we still followed everything from that time period then we would still be stoning people.

 

[Batman]

No more than I can prove that Peter Pan doesn't exist, or Snow White, or even Batman!

Oh, but Batman does exist. And GOD is his creator.

 

[Naughty Nurse]

Oh, but Batman does exist. And GOD is his creator.

And are you an example of a typical Christian? That would explain everything!

 

[Batman]

And are you an example of a typical Christian? That would explain everything!

Define typical.

 

[Naughty Nurse]

Define typical.

"Having the distinctive qualities of a particular type of person or thing."

New Oxford Dictionary of English