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A question for the Libertarians

Captain Adverse said:
I used to consider myself a Libertarian until I realized that you can't get more the two Libertarians to agree on anything, because as soon as a third party gets involved the arguments begin, including the standard accusations of "you aren't a real Libertarian because you'd agree with me if you were."
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You might lean more towards classical liberalism. Classical liberalism is very close to libertarianism, in that both ideologies prioritize individual freedom and limited government intervention.

However there is a distinct difference with regards to the role of government. Libertarians draw a hard line with the Non Aggression Principle, which holds that no person, or group of persons, or the government should have the power (or authority) to take wealth or property from the citizen. Period.

Classical liberals rationalize the government taking wealth (or property) in the form of Direct taxation (income, and property). They give government a lot of wiggle room with providing social welfare programs, and redistribution of wealth. Libertarians strongly oppose any redistribution of wealth by the government.

So if you don't object to income taxes or property taxes, you could be a classical liberal.
 
Ikari said:
And MAGA loves them.
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both sides of the Dialectical left and right love the Oligarchy.

as long as the Elite make them feel like they matter, then they love the love the Oligarchy.

the Left and Right both want a hand out, just different things. so they fight each other which to the delight of the Oligarchy. then the sheep are easy to control.

throw some Riot police on the street and call it a day; i am looking at you LA 2025 and blm rioters.


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Revelation said:
both sides of the Dialectical left and right love the Oligarchy.

as long as the Elite make them feel like they matter, then they love the love the Oligarchy.

the Left and Right both want a hand out, just different things. so they fight each other which to the delight of the Oligarchy. then the sheep are easy to control.

throw some Riot police on the street and call it a day; i am looking at you LA 2025 and blm rioters.


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They absolutely do. That's why I said what I said. Some wanted to make it as if no one who is libertarian would support the "authoritative leftists". But they ignore the fact that no one who is libertarian would support the authoritative rightists who still play to the same oligarchy as the leftists.

Most people claiming "libertarianism" are Main Party posers and don't actually support libertarians, the LP, or the overall political philosophy. Look at all the anti-capitalist, state-planning economic bullshit MAGA is pushing, along with their anti-immigration raids and policies. Libertarianism would push for zero tariffs and as close to open boarders as possible.
 
Gardener said:
I see you are playing that mindless partisanship for all it's worth
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lol

Nope. Just given some facts, not that MAGA likes those. MAGA is anti-free market, pro-oligarchy, anti-libertarian bullshit. Nothing more.
 
Ikari said:
lol

Nope. Just given some facts, not that MAGA likes those. MAGA is anti-free market, pro-oligarchy, anti-libertarian bullshit. Nothing more.
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Your knowledge base has not improved, either.
 
Gardener said:
Your knowledge base has not improved, either.
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Gardener, please give me an Honest of opinion of Dark Maga. thank you.

are you aware of the philosophy of this administration? if so, then please give us your view on this.

please pick from any article you please that have been written on any of this: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=Dark+Maga+is+technocracy&ia=web


MSN recently has written an article on this if you would like to start there: https://www.msn.com/en-my/politics/...-trump-musk-and-a-new-world-order/ar-AA1Ggc5W

muck has repeatedly boast of Dark Maga, it exists and most look the other way. time to look straight ahead on what they are up to i feel.








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Econ4every1 said:
You're splitting hairs, but your not wrong, I simply failed to define my terms more carefully.

The manned mission to land on the moon succeeded it's first try.
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And on it's 2nd, 4th and 5th tries, too! .... if anybody was asking.

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Revelation said:
Gardener, please give me an Honest of opinion of Dark Maga. thank you.

are you aware of the philosophy of this administration? if so, then please give us your view on this.

please pick from any article you please that have been written on any of this: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=Dark+Maga+is+technocracy&ia=web


MSN recently has written an article on this if you would like to start there: https://www.msn.com/en-my/politics/...-trump-musk-and-a-new-world-order/ar-AA1Ggc5W

muck has repeatedly boast of Dark Maga, it exists and most look the other way. time to look straight ahead on what they are up to i feel.





I do not support Musk having such influence on our politics any more than I support the World Economic Forum.


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Gardener said:
You don't even know what basic political terms actually mean.
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and you wont even answer a simple question.


uptower said:
When are they going to rise against Tump's tyranny?
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how?

isn't that what the Oligarchs want you to do, rise up, burn up, destroy, riot.

sure, help your self to some Dark Maga.

yeah good one people. can we learn better ways fro Ghandi of India? probably not from what i observe; so go find some agitators and clueless antifa: have at it.

and you will see Real Tyranny my friend, lots of it.


What The Riot Planners Are Plotting To Do Next Could Be Far Bigger Than The Chaos That We Are Currently Witnessing; Chaos is beginning to erupt in other areas of the country, and what the riot planners have scheduled for Saturday is truly frightening


do sheep ever learn; in my experience NO.


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Gardener said:
You don't even know what basic political terms actually mean.
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I just didn't delude myself in a closed sphere of radical political conspiracy and propaganda.

You can't even see the inherent anti-free market, anti-immigration BS that is completely against libertarian philosophy, but embraced so heavily by MAGA.
 
Ikari said:
I just didn't delude myself in a closed sphere of radical political conspiracy and propaganda.

You can't even see the inherent anti-free market, anti-immigration BS that is completely against libertarian philosophy, but embraced so heavily by MAGA.
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What you do not see is these are goals for us to achieve, and practice when practical. They are not practical when they go to the extent of harming others. This is why limited government is understood as a necessary component.

Unrestrained libertarianism leads to anarchy.
 
Lord of Planar said:
What you do not see is these are goals for us to achieve, and practice when practical. They are not practical when they go to the extent of harming others. This is why limited government is understood as a necessary component.

Unrestrained libertarianism leads to anarchy.
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Limited, yes. But central-planning markets and picking the winners and losers is hardly "limited".
 
Ikari said:
Limited, yes. But central-planning markets and picking the winners and losers is hardly "limited".
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I agree. This is not the best solution. It is still better than the damaging trade imbalance we have had for decades.
 
Lord of Planar said:
I agree. This is not the best solution. It is still better than the damaging trade imbalance we have had for decades.
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At the cost of efficiency and innovation. You start trying to steer the markets and you end up worse than letting them be free. Including becoming entrenched in the same oligarchy you rail against. MAGA is in the same bed with the Oligarchs that the Democrats are.
 
Ikari said:
At the cost of efficiency and innovation. You start trying to steer the markets and you end up worse than letting them be free. Including becoming entrenched in the same oligarchy you rail against. MAGA is in the same bed with the Oligarchs that the Democrats are.
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We disagree. It is a complex issue, but we have been in a downward spiral. Wages are generally based on cost of living, and these cheap imports keep wages down as food and housing continue to increase at unsustainable rates.

The liberal solution is more subsidies.

We are in a spiral doom. Something has to be done. What is happening is better than the status quo.
 
Lord of Planar said:
We disagree. It is a complex issue, but we have been in a downward spiral. Wages are generally based on cost of living, and these cheap imports keep wages down as food and housing continue to increase at unsustainable rates.

The liberal solution is more subsidies.

We are in a spiral doom. Something has to be done. What is happening is better than the status quo.
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No, all you'll do is some prices even more in America with no mechanisms to address wages and force American businesses to be less competitive globally.

The last time Trump tried his little trade war, it cost us jobs. If he guess through with his anti-capitalist, central planning BS now, it will be worse. Doing " something" doesn't always mean doing the right thing, and there are always plenty of ways to make something worse.
 
Ikari said:
No, all you'll do is some prices even more in America with no mechanisms to address wages and force American businesses to be less competitive globally.

The last time Trump tried his little trade war, it cost us jobs. If he guess through with his anti-capitalist, central planning BS now, it will be worse. Doing " something" doesn't always mean doing the right thing, and there are always plenty of ways to make something worse.
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Again, things could be done better. That said, we have to stop past practices and try something else.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Again, things could be done better. That said, we have to stop past practices and try something else.
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We're not really trying "something else". This is the same oligarchical control but worse.
 
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