A Historic Number of Electors Defected, and Most Were Supposed to Vote for Clinton

[haymarket]

Re: A Historic Number of Electors Defected, and Most Were Supposed to Vote for Clinto

:roll:

You most certainly have not been waiting for results, you have been prosecuting, and convicting. But whatever you want to tell yourself.

Now that the lefts effort to influence the election by intimidation and threats against electors has passed, I'm wondering how much will is left in those who would take up the investigation.

Certainly Obama can call for anything, but with only a few weeks left in his reign, it remains to be seen what will come of it.

My guess is the effort the left has undertaken to sow hate and discord probably has sufficient weight to keep the meme alive.

Whether that actually translates into anything more substantive than unsubstantiated accusation will have to be left to the passing of time.

You overestimate my power Ocean. I am just a agin pensioner living out my golden years in the cold climate of Michigan and trying not to fall down on the iced over streets while making sure my grandkids have a proper Christmas with lots of presents. I have no power to prosecute anyone - let alone convict anyone - least of all the next person to be president.

 

[braindrain]

Re: A Historic Number of Electors Defected, and Most Were Supposed to Vote for Clinto

Which is the problem.

Yes they should have done whatever Haymarket thinks best. Everyone else should just bow to his superior knowledge.

Seriously though someday you may need to get some help with your butt hurt.

 

[haymarket]

Re: A Historic Number of Electors Defected, and Most Were Supposed to Vote for Clinto

Yes they should have done whatever Haymarket thinks best. Everyone else should just bow to his superior knowledge.

Seriously though someday you may need to get some help with your butt hurt.

Your continual use of a homosexual rape reference only denigrates your own posts.

 

[Conservative]

Re: A Historic Number of Electors Defected, and Most Were Supposed to Vote for Clinto

:roll:

You most certainly have not been waiting for results, you have been prosecuting, and convicting. But whatever you want to tell yourself.

Now that the lefts effort to influence the election by intimidation and threats against electors has passed, I'm wondering how much will is left in those who would take up the investigation.

Certainly Obama can call for anything, but with only a few weeks left in his reign, it remains to be seen what will come of it.

My guess is the effort the left has undertaken to sow hate and discord probably has sufficient weight to keep the meme alive.

Whether that actually translates into anything more substantive than unsubstantiated accusation will have to be left to the passing of time.

It has already started

'Next idea?' After Electoral College fail, anti-Trump forces look for new cause | Fox News

 

[Conservative]

Re: A Historic Number of Electors Defected, and Most Were Supposed to Vote for Clinto

You are making a basic mistake here. Clinton got 65,844,610 votes. Her vote total in California was 8,753,788. The California vote DID NOT make up the 2.8 million which exceeded Trumps total. The California vote made up Clinton votes #10,000002 through 18,753, 790. Because of that is is wrong to say the 2.8 million margin of popular vote victory came from California.

In reality the 2.8 million came from votes in Texas, Florida and Alabama. So blame those states.

California gave Clinton a 4 million vote cushion, then added to Chicago and NYC the total was 6 million, how much did she win the popular vote by? In TX we have voter ID laws so we know those votes were legitimate. Any state that allows illegals to get a legal drivers license has no credibility in creating fair elections. Laws really don't matter there, do they?

 

[braindrain]

Re: A Historic Number of Electors Defected, and Most Were Supposed to Vote for Clinto

Your continual use of a homosexual rape reference only denigrates your own posts.

You really should look up what the term butt hurt means. It would help keep you from looking so silly. Your cry baby posts over Trump beating your hero Clinton do enough of that for you. No need to add to it.

 

[haymarket]

Re: A Historic Number of Electors Defected, and Most Were Supposed to Vote for Clinto

California gave Clinton a 4 million vote cushion, then added to Chicago and NYC the total was 6 million, how much did she win the popular vote by? In TX we have voter ID laws so we know those votes were legitimate. Any state that allows illegals to get a legal drivers license has no credibility in creating fair elections. Laws really don't matter there, do they?

You are making a basic mistake here. Clinton got 65,844,610 votes. Her vote total in California was 8,753,788. The California vote DID NOT make up the 2.8 million which exceeded Trumps total. The California vote made up Clinton votes #10,000002 through 18,753, 790. Because of that is is wrong to say the 2.8 million margin of popular vote victory came from California.

In reality the 2.8 million came from votes in Texas, Florida and Alabama. So blame those states.

 

[haymarket]

Re: A Historic Number of Electors Defected, and Most Were Supposed to Vote for Clinto

You really should look up what the term butt hurt means. It would help keep you from looking so silly. Your cry baby posts over Trump beating your hero Clinton do enough of that for you. No need to add to it.

One has to ask, when a civilized person from polite society is informed that their usage of a certain term is ugly and reeks of brutality and is intended as a coarse insult and is contrary to all proper debate and is only intended to inflame - and they still insist upon using it regardless - what does that say about that individual?

If you do as you challenged me to do - look it up - you will find plenty on the term being associated with anal rape.

Can We Please Stop Using the Term “Butthurt”? – Persephone Magazine

Please reconsider the use of the term "butthurt". | MetaTalk

https://www.reddit.com/r/SRSDiscussion/comments/pix9d/is_butthurt_an_implicit_rape_joke/

The Escapist : Forums : Off-topic Discussion : The term "butthurt" seems wrong. Research seems to confirm.

So if you were inadvertently using the term without meaning insult nor offense - now you know better.

 

[apdst]

Re: A Historic Number of Electors Defected, and Most Were Supposed to Vote for Clinto

One has to ask, when a civilized person from polite society is informed that their usage of a certain term is ugly and reeks of brutality and is intended as a coarse insult - and they still insist upon using it regardless - what does that say about that individual?

Like, "racist"? Or, "stupid"? "Liar"? Terms used frequently by Liberals when they can't handle being challenged, which is pretty much...always.

 

[Conservative]

Re: A Historic Number of Electors Defected, and Most Were Supposed to Vote for Clinto

You are making a basic mistake here. Clinton got 65,844,610 votes. Her vote total in California was 8,753,788. The California vote DID NOT make up the 2.8 million which exceeded Trumps total. The California vote made up Clinton votes #10,000002 through 18,753, 790. Because of that is is wrong to say the 2.8 million margin of popular vote victory came from California.

In reality the 2.8 million came from votes in Texas, Florida and Alabama. So blame those states.

No, I am using basic logic and common sense which you seem to lack, the margin of victory was 2.5 million votes all of which came from one state and that is your basis from claiming Hillary won the popular vote. Keep ignoring the rule of law and buying the leftwing spin that you want to promote to prop up your leftwing failures. Any state that allows illegals to get a legal driver's license have no credibility when it comes to monitoring legal voters in their state.

 

[ocean515]

Re: A Historic Number of Electors Defected, and Most Were Supposed to Vote for Clinto

You overestimate my power Ocean. I am just a agin pensioner living out my golden years in the cold climate of Michigan and trying not to fall down on the iced over streets while making sure my grandkids have a proper Christmas with lots of presents. I have no power to prosecute anyone - let alone convict anyone - least of all the next person to be president.

No, I don't think I have overestimated your power Haymarket. I think my estimate is fairly accurate.

However, I do wish you and your family the very best, and a Merry Christmas, as you weather the cold and icy winter in Michigan.

 

[haymarket]

Re: A Historic Number of Electors Defected, and Most Were Supposed to Vote for Clinto

No, I am using basic logic and common sense which you seem to lack, the margin of victory was 2.5 million votes all of which came from one state and that is your basis from claiming Hillary won the popular vote. Keep ignoring the rule of law and buying the leftwing spin that you want to promote to prop up your leftwing failures. Any state that allows illegals to get a legal driver's license have no credibility when it comes to monitoring legal voters in their state.

You and others who blame California for the Clinton victory margin in the popular vote are making a basic mistake here. Clinton got 65,844,610 votes. Her vote total in California was 8,753,788. The California vote DID NOT make up the 2.8 million which exceeded Trumps total. The California vote made up Clinton votes #10,000002 through 18,753, 790. Because of that is is wrong to say the 2.8 million margin of popular vote victory came from California.

In reality the 2.8 million came from votes in Texas, Florida and Alabama. So blame those states.

 

[Black Dog]

Re: A Historic Number of Electors Defected, and Most Were Supposed to Vote for Clinto

Only in the delusions of the far right wing belief system are the professional conclusions of 17 intelligence and defense agencies not evidence.

Still got no evidence? LMAO! Not even one shred? Here is why...

There’s a lot of evidence from the attack on the table, mostly detailing how the hack was perpetrated, and possibly the language of the perpetrators. It certainly remains plausible that Russians hacked the DNC, and remains possible that Russia itself ordered it. But the refrain of Russian attribution has been repeated so regularly and so emphatically that it’s become easy to forget that no one has ever truly proven the claim. There is strong evidence indicating that Democratic email accounts were breached via phishing messages, and that specific malware was spread across DNC computers. There’s even evidence that the attackers are the same group that’s been spotted attacking other targets in the past. But again: No one has actually proven that group is the Russian government (or works for it). This remains the enormous inductive leap that’s not been reckoned with, and Americans deserve better. - https://theintercept.com/2016/12/14/heres-the-public-evidence-russia-hacked-the-dnc-its-not-enough/

Mr. King, a New York Republican who sits on the House intelligence committee, said the intelligence community has not been presented with any evidence to support the claim. - Peter King: CIA doing 'hit job' against Donald Trump; 'no evidence' Russia behind Podesta hack - Washington Times

The revelations that Russia actively sought to influence the American election and help Donald Trump become the next president are shocking, mind-blowing and downright scary. But here is something they are not: evidence that the Russians hacked voting machines or changed the Election Day count. Unsubstantiated assertions that Russia actually manipulated the vote tally are themselves dangerous. - Russia's role is shocking but there's no evidence the vote was hacked - CNN.com

Only a few days ago the New York Times acknowledged that the CIA finding that the Kremlin hacked the Democratic National Convention’s computers with the intention of influencing the US presidential election was based, not on evidence, but conjecture. Today, the newspaper’s reporters have forgotten their earlier caveats and have begun to treat the intelligence agency’s guess-work as an established truth. - How an Evidence-Free CIA Finding Alleging Russian Interference in the US Election was Turned into an Indisputable ?Truth? | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

Now do you have evidence that no one else has? Or are you going to continue the run in the hamster wheel, lol.

 

[haymarket]

Re: A Historic Number of Electors Defected, and Most Were Supposed to Vote for Clinto

No, I don't think I have overestimated your power Haymarket. I think my estimate is fairly accurate.

However, I do wish you and your family the very best, and a Merry Christmas, as you weather the cold and icy winter in Michigan.

And all the holiday best to you and yours. eace

 

[haymarket]

Re: A Historic Number of Electors Defected, and Most Were Supposed to Vote for Clinto

Still got no evidence?

Only in the delusions of the far right wing belief system are the professional conclusions of 17 intelligence and defense agencies considered as not evidence.

 

[Black Dog]

Re: A Historic Number of Electors Defected, and Most Were Supposed to Vote for Clinto

I made no claim about illegals voting. So I need no evidence.

Thats how this works.

Learn and avoid these type of basic debate mistakes.

You might want to stop with the lying...

As you well know my point had nothing at all to do with illegal aliens. It was the FACT you pointed out he had no evidence, just like you in our debate.

Thanks for playing oh master of the straw man.

 

[Conservative]

Re: A Historic Number of Electors Defected, and Most Were Supposed to Vote for Clinto

You and others who blame California for the Clinton victory margin in the popular vote are making a basic mistake here. Clinton got 65,844,610 votes. Her vote total in California was 8,753,788. The California vote DID NOT make up the 2.8 million which exceeded Trumps total. The California vote made up Clinton votes #10,000002 through 18,753, 790. Because of that is is wrong to say the 2.8 million margin of popular vote victory came from California.

In reality the 2.8 million came from votes in Texas, Florida and Alabama. So blame those states.

So join me in putting this to rest by supporting a voter ID law and clean up of the voter rolls? TX, Florida, and Alabama have voter ID Laws. Does your state? Does California? How do you know that illegals didn't vote? you buy the leftwing spin and these are the same people monitoring elections in the states. Why is it you have so little respect for the laws of this country? How can anyone give California any credibility when it allows illegals to get a legal driver's license and having driver's licenses as voter registration?

You want to ignore reality so until you truly investigate what went on in California then you are doing nothing but promoting the leftwing agenda and claims of disenfranchising individuals which is another liberal buzz word

 

[Black Dog]

Re: A Historic Number of Electors Defected, and Most Were Supposed to Vote for Clinto

Only in the delusions of the far right wing belief system are the professional conclusions of 17 intelligence and defense agencies considered as not evidence.

If you are going to reply to my post, reply to my post...

Only in the delusions of the far right wing belief system are the professional conclusions of 17 intelligence and defense agencies not evidence.

Still got no evidence? LMAO! Not even one shred? Here is why...

There’s a lot of evidence from the attack on the table, mostly detailing how the hack was perpetrated, and possibly the language of the perpetrators. It certainly remains plausible that Russians hacked the DNC, and remains possible that Russia itself ordered it. But the refrain of Russian attribution has been repeated so regularly and so emphatically that it’s become easy to forget that no one has ever truly proven the claim. There is strong evidence indicating that Democratic email accounts were breached via phishing messages, and that specific malware was spread across DNC computers. There’s even evidence that the attackers are the same group that’s been spotted attacking other targets in the past. But again: No one has actually proven that group is the Russian government (or works for it). This remains the enormous inductive leap that’s not been reckoned with, and Americans deserve better. - https://theintercept.com/2016/12/14/heres-the-public-evidence-russia-hacked-the-dnc-its-not-enough/

Mr. King, a New York Republican who sits on the House intelligence committee, said the intelligence community has not been presented with any evidence to support the claim. - Peter King: CIA doing 'hit job' against Donald Trump; 'no evidence' Russia behind Podesta hack - Washington Times

The revelations that Russia actively sought to influence the American election and help Donald Trump become the next president are shocking, mind-blowing and downright scary. But here is something they are not: evidence that the Russians hacked voting machines or changed the Election Day count. Unsubstantiated assertions that Russia actually manipulated the vote tally are themselves dangerous. - Russia's role is shocking but there's no evidence the vote was hacked - CNN.com

Only a few days ago the New York Times acknowledged that the CIA finding that the Kremlin hacked the Democratic National Convention’s computers with the intention of influencing the US presidential election was based, not on evidence, but conjecture. Today, the newspaper’s reporters have forgotten their earlier caveats and have begun to treat the intelligence agency’s guess-work as an established truth. - How an Evidence-Free CIA Finding Alleging Russian Interference in the US Election was Turned into an Indisputable ?Truth? | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

Now do you have evidence that no one else has? Or are you going to continue the run in the hamster wheel, lol.

 

[Josie]

Re: A Historic Number of Electors Defected, and Most Were Supposed to Vote for Clinto

Only in the delusions of the far right wing belief system are the professional conclusions of 17 intelligence and defense agencies considered as not evidence.

They have not stated that Russia literally changed people's votes and the election is, therefore, illegitimate.

 

[haymarket]

Re: A Historic Number of Electors Defected, and Most Were Supposed to Vote for Clinto

As you well know my point had nothing at all to do with illegal aliens.

It is often rather difficult to see that you even have a point mixed in with the usual vitriol and insults. So what exactly was it then?

 

[haymarket]

Re: A Historic Number of Electors Defected, and Most Were Supposed to Vote for Clinto

They have not stated that Russia literally changed people's votes and the election is, therefore, illegitimate.

So nothing that happens in a campaign impacts peoples votes?

 

[haymarket]

Re: A Historic Number of Electors Defected, and Most Were Supposed to Vote for Clinto

So join me in putting this to rest by supporting a voter ID law and clean up of the voter rolls? TX, Florida, and Alabama have voter ID Laws. Does your state? Does California? How do you know that illegals didn't vote? you buy the leftwing spin and these are the same people monitoring elections in the states. Why is it you have so little respect for the laws of this country? How can anyone give California any credibility when it allows illegals to get a legal driver's license and having driver's licenses as voter registration?

You want to ignore reality so until you truly investigate what went on in California then you are doing nothing but promoting the leftwing agenda and claims of disenfranchising individuals which is another liberal buzz word

You keep focusing your ire on one state - California - and I keep telling you they are not to blame.

 

[Black Dog]

Re: A Historic Number of Electors Defected, and Most Were Supposed to Vote for Clinto

It is often rather difficult to see that you even have a point mixed in with the usual vitriol and insults. So what exactly was it then?

So in other words... You were wrong again and making excuses for twisting things.

Nothing new here.

Thanks for playing!

 

[haymarket]

Re: A Historic Number of Electors Defected, and Most Were Supposed to Vote for Clinto

If you are going to reply to my post, reply to my post...



Still got no evidence?

Post 415 went into great detail to thoroughly and utterly refute your charge. Please read it again.

 

[haymarket]

Re: A Historic Number of Electors Defected, and Most Were Supposed to Vote for Clinto

So in other words... You were wrong again.

Nothing new here.

Thanks for playing!

As I suspected - even you cannot find out what your point was when you complain about me not getting it. perfect.